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unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:25 PM Jan 2016

I seldom post but this just pissed me off.

Just heard a clip on CNN, that was Deje Vu. Al Hunt asked Sanders at his breakfast meeting today about concerns of Clinton supporters, regarding rumors of Sanders Campaign bussing in out of state voters for Iowa caucus. I tried to find a clip but couldn't it was just on CNN.

I had a memory of the same type of accusation towards Obama regarding college students in 2008. The Clinton Campaign seems to be using their 2008 playbook and we all know how well that worked.

The headlines say the latest schism among the top Democratic presidential candidates is over gender and race. But on the ground in the presidential season's opening states, there is a darker narrative: that Hillary Clinton will not just fight hard, but fight dirty, to win. And her tactic of choice is attempting to suppress the votes of her rival's supporters.......

And in Iowa, the Clinton campaign -- with the help of the state's largest newspaper, the Des Moines Register, which endorsed her -- was discouraging students from returning from winter break to vote, even though their right to do so was legal, said Rick Hasen, who writes a respected election law blog. "Indeed such voting could help to compensate for the otherwise anti-democratic nature of Iowa's role in the presidential election process," he said.


http://www.alternet.org/story/73782/hillary_clinton's_dirty_campaign_tactics

They are making it harder and harder every day for me to want to vote for Clinton if she should get the nomination.

edited to add the clip that aired on CNN tonight.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-28/sanders-says-he-ll-struggle-to-win-iowa-with-low-voter-turnout

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I seldom post but this just pissed me off. (Original Post) unapatriciated Jan 2016 OP
Yep. me too LiberalElite Jan 2016 #1
they have to sew the doubt Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #2
For a minute there, I felt doubt. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #3
Voter suppression used to be a Republican tactic. bvar22 Jan 2016 #4
I edited my post to add a link to the interview that pissed me off. unapatriciated Jan 2016 #6
hey...maybe adopting Repub vote-limiting actions might work out best for HRC... islandmkl Jan 2016 #5
Hillary has already turned her back on the majority of the Democratic Party bvar22 Jan 2016 #10
it is a sad state of affairs for the Democratic Party that we promote islandmkl Jan 2016 #21
Suppressing the vote is about the most unpatriotic thing one can do. Gregorian Jan 2016 #7
If Sanders team buses in out-of-town voters to Iowa caucuses ... philly_bob Jan 2016 #8
There is no truth to this.....David Brock made it up. unapatriciated Jan 2016 #12
Yea, Bernie is going to jeopardize his bid for the presidency SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #23
If there's one thing I know for certain about Bernie Sanders, in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #9
not a bit of truth to it that is why I was so pissed. unapatriciated Jan 2016 #13
Yep...she's going down and in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #15
Damn she's a slow study MissDeeds Jan 2016 #11
In reading the article I posted from 2008 I was stunned at how many of the same tactics unapatriciated Jan 2016 #14
Only an idiot would believe you can bus in people to caucus Kalidurga Jan 2016 #16
i didn't believe it and found it to be a smear to even ask that question. unapatriciated Jan 2016 #18
I'm sure he's bussing in locals, but all of candidates are doing that. lob1 Jan 2016 #19
I don't think he is even doing that. But, it would be a good idea. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #20
They spent a fortune in money and time promoting a certain image ... Babel_17 Jan 2016 #17
In an age of internet and cell phones this can be well countered. HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #22
After 2008, none of this should be a surprise to anyone. EmperorHasNoClothes Jan 2016 #24
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #25
Camp Weathervane making up excuses already. GoneFishin Jan 2016 #26

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
1. Yep. me too
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

which is heresy in some quarters here - but how many more times are we supposed to just put up, shut up and vote for the lesser of two evils? I think push is coming to shove very soon.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
3. For a minute there, I felt doubt.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

And then I heard about this, and that kickstarted the fury engine again. Wheel out the guillotines for all who'd have us submit to corporate interests.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
4. Voter suppression used to be a Republican tactic.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary must have learned it while she was working to elect Goldwater.
I hate to see the once GREAT Working Class party of FDR/JFK/LBJ dragged through the Republican mud by the inevitable one.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
5. hey...maybe adopting Repub vote-limiting actions might work out best for HRC...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

should she become POTUS she will have already crossed the aisle and shown that she can work with their programs...

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. Hillary has already turned her back on the majority of the Democratic Party
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jan 2016

when she crossed the aisle to help Bush and the Republicans get their WAR ON.
In fact, she crosses that aisle often:

* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
21. it is a sad state of affairs for the Democratic Party that we promote
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jan 2016

RepublicanLite™ candidates...the PTB ENCOURAGE their development, in fact...

"When a Democrat runs as a Lite Republican...the real Republican wins every time."

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
7. Suppressing the vote is about the most unpatriotic thing one can do.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

I somehow missed the part about the newspaper lending a helping hand, when reading about it somewhere. That puts a difference on things.

Or I should have said attempting to suppress. Same difference.

philly_bob

(2,419 posts)
8. If Sanders team buses in out-of-town voters to Iowa caucuses ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

I won't vote for him in primary.

If this is a false accusation by Clinton's team (as I suspect) then it's a very nasty decline in campaign civility, and I will vote for Bernie as I planned and also donate money.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
12. There is no truth to this.....David Brock made it up.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016

These are the same types of claims that the Clinton campaign made against Obama in 2008.

Brock is a mud slinger and a proven liar..used to be a repuke now he heads up a super pac for Clinton.
I don't know if you are old enough to remember the hearings regarding Anita Hill and the lies he told, if not just google it.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
9. If there's one thing I know for certain about Bernie Sanders,
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jan 2016

It's that he is one of the most honest people on the planet! He would NEVER CHEAT TO WIN...unlike HRH, who will lie, cheat and steal just to win.

Peace
Love
Bernie

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
13. not a bit of truth to it that is why I was so pissed.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jan 2016

Brock is a liar and if this is who Clinton's campaign allows to represent her through her super pac than she is doomed to repeat her history of 2008.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
15. Yep...she's going down and
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

going down HARD and BIG. She won't know what hit her.

That why her operatives are out in full force today and will be foaming at the mouth until Monday.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
11. Damn she's a slow study
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

It didn't work against Obama and it won't work now. Bernie has a long track record of being honest, ethical and trustworthy. Even people who aren't politically aware know that Hillary is cloaked in scandal and isn't trustworthy. Everything she is doing now reinforces that perception. It's pathetic and desperate.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
14. In reading the article I posted from 2008 I was stunned at how many of the same tactics
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

she is still using in 2016.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
16. Only an idiot would believe you can bus in people to caucus
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

that aren't residents of the state they are caucusing in.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
18. i didn't believe it and found it to be a smear to even ask that question.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

Have they learned nothing from 2008?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
20. I don't think he is even doing that. But, it would be a good idea.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jan 2016

Students don't always live close to where they are legal residents.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
17. They spent a fortune in money and time promoting a certain image ...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jan 2016

They spent a fortune in money and time promoting a certain image only to squander all that work in their desperation to not suffer a humiliating defeat in Iowa. Pyrrhic victory if they win. Nobody will be buying what they're selling. That campaign will only be able to market itself as the lesser of two evils after Iowa.

The candidate behind the curtain has been shown.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. In an age of internet and cell phones this can be well countered.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:25 AM
Jan 2016

This suppression is about creating doubt about eligibility to caucus. This sorts of thing exploits the uncertainty and naivety of people unfamiliarity with the rules.

This thing depends on the rumor mill to reach its victims with disinformation. Modern communications technology can overwhelm that, and the canvassing efforts involved in GOTV can carry correct information.

The correct information can and will be forwarded among friends.

What we've seen this election cycle is negative campaigning producing big blow-back. Why would we not believe that young/new caucusers will likely be offended by the attempts to manipulate people like themselves and in that more motivated to vote?

This sort of voter suppression tactic has been used for years against minority voters who are provided all manner of misinformation about the presence of process-servers at the polls in order to discourage voting by people with unpaid bills, outstanding traffic violations, arrears in child-support, etc. Correct information is the antidote and it's pretty easy for precinct leaders and canvassers to reach voters via digital technology, we're way past 1988.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
24. After 2008, none of this should be a surprise to anyone.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jan 2016

I just don't understand why she thinks it will work in her favor this time around.

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