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Very many reports already today of people who are lifelong Democrats who changed affiliations to vote for Trump.
Their rationale "They just don't want Hillary"
Apparently they don't care that she has an opponent far better than Trump and they wouldn't have to switch parties.
If this is the norm, we are losing a good number of potential votes to Trump today.
* I got this information after speaking to a radio personality I know who has been receiving emails all morning.
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)Bernie voters had they voted in the Dem primary?
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)as Anti-Hillary votes. So yes.
Bad news for Bernie.
I REALLY wanted to win Mass.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)One is a brilliant artist/architect, first CO in the Air Force during Vietnam. He is funding the Sanders office in town. I'm still shocked, but I totally understand. The common denominator is that Trump at least tells the truth, whereas Hillary is like Bush: you don't know what you're getting.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)He says a lot of nasty, hateful stuff that he knows a lot of uninformed people will agree with; he validates their biases. But he knows damn well he can't build a wall along the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it; he can't deport all the undocumented immigrants and Muslims. Most of his "platform" is stuff that is some combination of stupid, impossible and unconstitutional and will never happen. I doubt he even believes most of what he says (except the crap about how wonderful he is), but his whole career has been as a salesman and he'll say whatever it takes to make the sale. If, God help us, he ever became president, his supporters will be very disappointed.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Trump is a pathological liar. Recent examples: He blamed not repudiating David Duke to Jake Tapper to a bad earpiece even though he answered the questions and repeated Duke's name multiple times. He claimed to know virtually nothing about David Duke even though he condemned him about 15 years ago and made critical remarks about him a day or two prior. He declared a crowd estimated at 12,000 to 15,000 on Sunday was 30,000, then bumped it to 32,000.
Trump can barely get out a sentence without lying.
Not to say that Hillary isn't also a liar, because she is.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)I'm a New Englander and I find this impossible to believe that in deep blue Mass. that they'd waste their primary vote by not voting for Bernie!
I really must take this info with a grain of salt. MA is one of the bluest states in the country.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Donald Trump will break records in Massachusetts today.
It's insane and real.
We had people in Attleboro, Fall River and Seekonk today, close to the RI border. Hour long lines to vote. Informal estimate was almost 75% Trump. One line for both parties.
Believe me, I want to be so wrong. He is hurting us today.
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)But, thanx for the report.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)All these people voting for a racist fool?
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)On the canvassing and phone banking I've done, I've actually hit as many Trump voters than Hillary. Most of these were unregistered (no party affiliation) but there were a few Ds that were going Trump.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)Remember the clerk in Kentucky. About as far right as you can get and Democrat.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I find the idea that a Democratic voter who liked Bernie but disliked Hillary would cross over to vote for Trump to be kind of preposterous, even if some guy on the radio is saying so because he is allegedly getting some emails (who knows whether authentic or not) saying so.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)A couple of weeks ago he bought an assault weapon type rifle and a Trump sticker on his car. I think going for Trump must have something to do with weapons. Beats the hell out of me.
But I believe you are correct in most sane areas.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)do that. I think he has like 5 pistols now and about 4 long guns and loads his own bullets now.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I have read a lot of posts elsewhere from gun nuts saying that every time there's a mass shooting and Obama says something against guns, they go out and buy more guns and ammo. I've seen stories from gun retailers that suggest this actually happens.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)the governor. My brother in law used to work for the state and a lot of the people working for the state did not like either one of them at all.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Sounds like there is a unique dynamic working in Arkansas, or at least with your brother in law.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)conservatives.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)many may be thinking bernie can't win so trump is better choice.
This is problem with being told over and over we have no choice clinton is inevitable.some will leave party rather than support her.
I have warned people they underestimate trump at their perill.
My grandson just told me he is of course voting for Bernie, in the Florida primary, but he keeps reading that Hillary already has things sewn up.
He will not vote for Hillary. He will stay home, or vote for Trump.
THIS is what the DNC has created. They own it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)So, with everything going against Hillary Clinton, why does the Democratic establishment continue to insist shes the most electable candidate, when its so clearly such a risky prospect? Well, its hardly conspiratorial that Democratic superdelegates would side with Clinton, that people of wealth and influence would continue to publicly throw their support behind her, or that the pro-Dem media would largely be pro-Clinton. Clinton promises to continue where Obama left off, which is another way of saying she intends to maintain the status quo, a status quo that her backers would prefer wasnt rocked by someone like Bernie Sanders.
The Democratic establishment doesnt want a Democrat as president it specifically wants Hillary Clinton as president. And so a myth has been concocted in a pro-Clinton environment, that Clinton is the pragmatic choice, the one that you as a Democrat simply have to vote for if you want to beat the GOP. And when even the most moderate of the Republican candidates, Marco Rubio, denies the existence of climate change, argues for the TPP, wants to scrap affordable care and opposes a womans right to decide whats best for her own body, youll vote for any old Democrat if it keeps the White House out of Republican hands. That Dem voters are apparently largely stumping for Clinton, even though less than four in ten of them actually trust her, speaks volumes.
One could argue that Bernie Sanders would be more beneficial to the average voter and to the country on the whole than Clinton (and that has been argued, though experts still debate that), but the Democratic establishments main counter-argument has been that a vote for Bernie Sanders is also a vote for the GOP. Sanders is just less electable; vote Bernie, and you get Trump. Voters have been repeatedly told that, only that isnt true. In actuality, Sanders at present has a clearer path to the White House than Clinton, who is struggling with a nationwide trust deficit and is only going to face more battles as time goes on.
None of us can see into the future to know for sure whether Clinton will eventually bring round Sanders-stumping Dems and independents to beat the GOP in November. It is a plain fact, however, that Bernie Sanders has according to statistics for the past several months been the best bet for voters seeking a Democrat as the next president. Only the mainstream media didnt shout too loudly about that. Right now, stumping for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary is a huge gamble, one that most voters wont even be aware theyre making. Rest assured, though, that the Democratic establishment the politicians, the press, the big-money donors knows exactly what kind of game its playing. And its playing it so irresponsibly, it may as well be a suicide mission.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/dump-hillary-and-dump-her-fast-the-democratic-esta.html
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)Most insightful! Brogan Morris is spot on.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Warpy
(111,237 posts)People lie to Howie and then he lies on the air. That's how it works.
Not where I got my info.
If there is not record turnout for the Republicans today and if Donald does not surpass Romney's vote total, I'll come back and say I got bad info.
Again, I don't want this to be true. The people I spoke to have nothing to gain by lying to me.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)datguy_6
(176 posts)Anything is possible in MA...
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Will say that all my friends and coworkers in CA, both democratic and republican alike say they'd vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. If not they plan to either not vote at all or vote for Trump. It's really disturbing, because cynically I don't see Bernie being the nominee. (Even though I'd like him to be the nominee.) The only ray of hope is that republican establishment forces Trump out of the race. It's a really crazy election cycle for sure.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)for trying to shove hillary on us. people are, correctly or incorrectly, thinking that only trump has the mojo to stop her.
i can't blame them for that.
this is on the dnc and the rigged system.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)At least I got that news early this morning so it wasn't a shock. But I'm pretty sure we lost a good amount of voters to him today in MA