have you guys noticed anything weird from "bernie supporters?

[restorefreedom]

i have seen several comments from people who say they are bernie supporters and even have a bernie avatar. these posters are saying stuff like " he can't win", "its over" etc

but when i click their profile, they are either brand new posters, or have only posted in bernie group one or two times in 90 days

are we really seeing that much pessimism because outside du, and even mostly in du, i am NOT seeing pessimism

[LiberalElite]

1. new posters?

I'd think they're new trolls.

[restorefreedom]

2. yeah, some are new,

and some have quite a few,posts but very few in bernie group

i find it interesting that this pessimism appears after a very successful weekend and better polling in michigan....

[noretreatnosurrender]

4. Yup

You got it.

[restorefreedom]

6. yeah, i guess its kind of obvious nt

[Fawke Em]

34. She's having to spend all her Wall Street cash on fighting him instead of

squirreling it back for the general and that makes the poor, victimized Hillary fans upset.

It really is about money. The establishment wants him out so she can save her money. I kid you not.

[restorefreedom]

36. wow. sad and infuriating at the same time. nt

[CoffeeCat]

77. Well, "the establishment" better start having bake sales for her

because he's not getting out.

His supporters will pick up the tab all the way to the end.

[djean111]

3. Oh, yeah.

I automatically check out when they joined, where they post.
"False flag" sort of bullshit, is all.

Thing is, I love you guys, but there is nothing anyone can say here that would affect my support for Bernie.

It's the ISSUES.

[restorefreedom]

5. me too. i am in as long as he is in

and yeah, maybe i need to expand the ol ignore list....

[bvar22]

47. Bernie IN or OUT, I will still fight for his platform,

which builds on the legacy of the father of the Modern Democratic Party.

I will NEVER be a member of the NO.WE. CAN'T. crowd.
I've fought for Bernie's platform all my life.
I won't be quitting it for a coronation of Republican Values,
but may consider that reform INSIDE what passes for the Democratic Party today may not be possible.

[Bubzer]

65. Today's democratic party has developed a culture of corruption... tethered to the corporate dollar.

Culture is a hard thing to change. It requires a hell of a lot of fighting. But I'm up for it. I think we all are.

[Fuddnik]

62. Whenever I see them, they go right to ignore.

It's easy to see their motivations.

[restorefreedom]

67. yup, pretty transparent. nt

[VulgarPoet]

72. I'm doing that again. Trying to reach ccross the aisle didn't work.

And once again, I find myself absolutely fucking furious at the state of the primary.

[restorefreedom]

78. its a grand canyon between us, it seems.

and i am ok with that, since i feel that bernie is on the better side of the canyon.

[VulgarPoet]

79. Preach. nt

[restorefreedom]

80. :) nt

[daleanime]

7. +1

[Mbrow]

21. 200%!

Bernie all the way

[MuseRider]

85. Absolutely

and I think that sentiment is shared well beyond little DU. All the skewing of delegate numbers by adding the Supers is meant to discourage. Half their reporting is meant to discourage. They do not realize that we are beyond their influence. We KNOW what they are doing, we detest what they are doing and that is one more reason to stand solid behind Bernie. I have not seen or do I know a Bernie supporter who has lost any kind of momentum in supporting him. No matter what they say, no matter how hard they condescend to us we are beyond that.

[KoKo]

88. ...! Yes!

It's the ISSUES.

[RoccoR5955]

8. I, for one would only say that

with the tag.

[jeff47]

9. You'll find the accounts were all created close to an election.

They go inert when they aren't needed. Then they come back online as-needed.

Whole lotta accounts created in early 2008 that are suddenly posting again.

[restorefreedom]

10. yes, come to think of it..i remember seeing 2008 as a start date

hmmmmm......

[KoKo]

90. '08 and '12

Noticed that, also.

[restorefreedom]

95. hmmmm...interesting. nt

[artislife]

19. Yep

And oddly, they seem to know how to do so many things!.

I remember trying to figure out what K&R meant for the longest time.

[Loudestlib]

49. I mostly lurk in the non-election years.

The pessimistic post do seem odd, I mean, if you did feel that way why share it.

You can't change the world without a fight and you can't win by giving up.

[Kalidurga]

11. It's almost like a geek tragedy.

How many there are these days. I was talking to one today. It was truly sad how this person thinks that they are fooling people and keeps up the farce.

[restorefreedom]

13. i guess we are supposed to be suckers

seems that bernie supporters have proven repeatedly we are not

[Kalidurga]

15. It's like they think their words are invisible.

And that we don't remember them from post to post.

[restorefreedom]

16. or that we can't check a profile. or, ya know, READ lol nt

[Kalidurga]

18. I know right

I am lousy at knowing an individual lie from an individual. But, I do keep track of consistency and I am pretty good at that.

[restorefreedom]

23. i think many of us have had to home those instincts this election. nt

[Kalidurga]

27. I know I have.

I really really hate to analyze everything people say and think back to other things they say. In a lot of ways it's automatic for me when something trips my alarms. But, I don't like it. I am pretty straight forward as far as people go so I actually think others are most of the time. I don't do cloak and dagger and chopping up words and parsing my meanings. Well unless I am writing a poem then who knows I might try to sneak some subversive thought in there via word play.

[restorefreedom]

32. yeah, i hate psyops myself

but at least one campaign has decided anything goes.....

have you ever posted poetry on du?

[Kalidurga]

35. I have a couple

One was about a tragic gun accident in Minnesota. A fourteen year old boy shot his brother when they were playing cops and robbers. I really think that is going to hurt him forever. His parents too. They were careless and this kid is going to carry his guilt and theirs for the rest of his life. The other was about the system being rotten to the core.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1199280

Here is the other one I couldn't find the post.

This is not another gun debate
 
Bang bang your dead
the words explode in his head
his brother falls to his knees
his last words uttered in a wheeze
 
Numbers refuse to show the pain
after all it's only a few who are slain
the debaters begin again to rage
lost children is naught but the wage
 
The brother drifts like a ghost
guilt anger and sadness he's their host
and they are his only comfort
he only finds solace in their report
 
The parents echo the son
knowing he isn't the one
who obtained the instrument of madness
a piece of security fades to blackness
 
Bang bang and the shot recoils
and the scent of hell roils
falling falling falling falling
no one hears them calling
 
Just one hundred or so each year
not enough to earn the ear
of the one hundred senators elected
they are buffered from being affected
 
It's a small number 100 maybe less
small casualties that can't  impress
those that serve know that no rules
are going to keep at bay the ghouls
 
fear doesn't just kill one mind
it takes over and steals us blind
always on the lookout for danger
from some unknown stranger
 
failing to see what costs it will incur
only seeking out what will concur
2A or not 2A it's not the question
It's, fear why do we give it concession?

[restorefreedom]

38. wow... simply wow. nt

[Kalidurga]

40. I think I will take them to my writing class

I am working on a poem at the moment about bears and spring. I had almost forgotten I started that one. We are supposed to write about flowers, ughh.

[restorefreedom]

43. i love bears :) good luck at class! nt

[Kalidurga]

44. I love them too, from a distance.

[restorefreedom]

45. i have met a few with no problems

there was a healthy distance in most cases, but a time or two was a bit too cozy.

thankfully, all was ok

[Kalidurga]

46. Well I don't think bears are naturally aggressive.

Some are of course. I watched most that documentary on the guy who was killed by bears and it really shows bears aren't to be feared. He made the mistake of not getting out of the area where that one bear was he had told people about, that it was aggressive. Sure enough that was the one that killed him and his girlfriend. I don't think the guy was crazy and I don't think he was terrible wrong, he just miscalculated as near as I can tell, tragic in any case he seemed like a great guy.

[restorefreedom]

66. i am not familiar with that documentary

i have seen the lion guy and he seems to know them very well. the vast majority of wild animals probably have no interest in us. but if we get too close to the one out of every x that is aggressive, then tragedy occurs. even accidentally, like steve irwin, we never know with nature being unpredictable. but for many/most of us, the idea of being safely ensconsed in bed, ala sheldon cooper, is just too bland and boring to take seriously.

[Bad Bad JuJu]

54. A poem about flowers, or flours?

Sorry, but I'm feeling silly: write a poem about baking bread -- you know, rye flour, gluten-free flour, wheat flour. Claim that's what you heard them say. Flours.


If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed. - Mark Twain

[MuseRider]

87. You made me laugh

thinking about the movie Best In Show. Not a poem but your choosing types of flour. My brain immediately went to Pine Nuts, Walnuts, Hickory Nuts, Peanuts......

[Kalidurga]

96. I read uniformed...

which might also be true, if you consume to much MSM you become uniformed.

[Mike__M]

86. Flowers can be scheming and vindictive

Trees retaliate when fig wasps don't service them

Send a message to the parents?

[restorefreedom]

30. i just got your subject line ......snort! nt

[Kalidurga]

31. One of the first and finest not to be forgotten.

[restorefreedom]

33. tombstoned? on break? nt

[Kalidurga]

37. I dunno. Something might have happened when I wasn't looking.

There are days I attend to my real life.

[restorefreedom]

39. real life, whats that? lol nt

[VulgarPoet]

73. That thing you go to to try and put out the fire that feels like it's devouring you from within. nt

[restorefreedom]

81. oh, yeah, that. hasn't beem working lately for me

unless i fully commit. any leak in of news, and its blown.

[MissDeeds]

12. I've noticed that

and have even gone so far as to put some of them on ignore.

[restorefreedom]

14. yeah, i need to use that function more. nt

[Hydra]

17. No pessimism here

And not seeing any of this doom and gloom in the real world either. People have made their decision, they are going to vote it.

[retrowire]

20. They're clearly plants to sow discouragement. Try encouraging them if they're for real.

If they don't let up, ignore them.

[restorefreedom]

24. great idea nt

[sarge43]

22. Psychological warfare or flame bait

They're not pessimistic about Senator Sanders; they're sh*t stirring.

Sanders isn't losing; he's gaining more big mo every day.

Ignore them.

[restorefreedom]

25. yup. shit stirring seems to be an art form these days. nt

[Impedimentus]

26. I Joined in DU in 2008 and I don't post much ...

but I've waited all my life, over 60 years for a candidate like Bernie Sanders. The future of our children and the planet is at stake and I see Bernie as the only hope during my lifetime to bring positive change to a country that is rapidly being destroyed by corruption and greed. If these feelings are negative then I plead guilty.

I live on a very small social security check but try to give Bernie a few dollars every month and an occasional "tip" to ActBlue".

I just started posting here because I found the Hillary postings on that the GEP forum only raised my blood pressure and this seemed like a safe place to post occasionally.

[mak3cats]

28. I've been a member since 2004, and likewise didn't post much...

...until the last few months. Welcome!

[restorefreedom]

29. welcome back!

i hope you stick around bernie group, and i am glad you replied. i think some have put on the jacket of a bernie supporter (but really aren't) in order to discourage the real supporters. but they tend to be too obvious and kind of end up outing themselves

[Fawke Em]

41. I'm the opposite.

I have been a member of this site since 2004. I was "Clarkie" back then. I mouthed off after another establishment candidate, Kerry, won (and I actually like him OK, but I've been fighting this entrenchment for a while) and was banned. Then after things cooled off, DU let people back on and I changed my name to Scoop-something (don't remember). I posted for a time under that name, but dropped off when I remarried, moved and had my second child. I was an Obama supporter, but, at some point I got a new computer, a new email and had forgotten my user name and password, so I created this one sometime around when Occupy was big (thus the influence of Guy Fawkes in my name. LOL).

It doesn't matter when you joined, you sound like a true supporter who isn't trying to sew the seeds of discourse. We're glad to have you here!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. I'm seeing a few 'plants'

[Lorien]

48. Well over 1,000 FB friends. Only three are Hillary supporters

and they have obviously started to panic and are lashing out with frivolous nonsense.

[Flying Squirrel]

50. Here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511437346

[bkkyosemite]

55. yep

[Bad Bad JuJu]

60. I've read similar crap on Reddit,

and drivel about how sad it is that Clinton now has an insurmountable lead and so Bernie can never be elected -- it's hard to tell who they're really backing. Maybe they're just smoking the purple kool-aid the MSM is handing out and failing to stay positive. I can only say that I joined this site to have a place to gloat publicly when Bernie is elected President of the United States of America, and that I will not be shaken in my resolve to stay the course until that end. If you're one of the Bernie supporters losing your confidence please try to remember how far we've come in this short time. We've gone from zero to sixty, and now that we're at cruising speed there's still a way to go before we get there. Don't let them tell you it's already over when we're just getting started.

[ladjf]

51. Yes. I've noticed and believe them to be phony. nt

[valerief]

52. You're not using your Ignore button enough! nt

[bkkyosemite]

53. I started posting in Aug 2008...and yes I post more at election time but

have posted a few in between...I was for Obama (Change) and now I am for Bernie (CHANGE)

[saltpoint]

56. Pessimism doesn't seem to be

one of the ingredients in the stew for Bernie's campaign.

People have their sleeves rolled up. They got their flashlight batteries ready to go if it rains hard. They got long lines snaking around the blocks of major U.S. cities to spend a couple hours listening to a Democratic socialist.

If somebody was feeling a bit down, they could do what Petula Clark says they should do: Go downtown, where all the lights are bright / waiting for you tonight / etc.

Or they could go to a Bernie Sanders rally.

[merrily]

57. Two things.

1. Has everyone been alerting on these obvious group trolls? If you don't know how to alert our fantastic hosts: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128010529

2. A few months ago, I posted that Bernie supporters should be careful not to be baiting into a hide and I got about 50% support and 50% crapped on. Now a thread saying don't take the bait is pinned. Times changed fast.

[restorefreedom]

68. excellent points. i have to admit

i have only alerted once, and it was such an obvious ott, i got an email that the post had already been hidden (or alerted, but it was hidden right away)

i guess when a team has nothing left but to crap on the other team, its what they go with.

too bad. having positions and principles could have worked out so much better for them

[merrily]

75. So, by you, "It's her turn" is not a bedrock principle? Why do you hate DUers?

[restorefreedom]

83. snort! i guess i am just bad...

[merrily]

91. Confession is good for the soul.

[restorefreedom]

94. lol...well if thats the case....

https://m.

[merrily]

97. You're confessing to being humble?

[restorefreedom]

98. snort! if i won the humble award

i would be so humble i would want everyone to know lol

https://m.

[PatrynXX]

58. sorry I listen to Han Solo

Never tell me the odds. There's Bernie or there is Write In Bernie. there is no go between. Voting for the only honest Liberal running. Although I wish Warren would say something I will not push her to do so. Thats something Hillary would do.

[SoapBox]

59. Weirdos that are up to bullshit.

That would be my take.

[PFunk1]

61. Welcome to psyops-the computer age

These folks probably weren't Sanders supporters but opponents trying to spread discord among them. There now seems to be a big push from various sources to force him out before June (if not earlier) and this is probably part of it.

[restorefreedom]

71. oh they definitely want him out before the convention

if hillary faces legal trouble, they want to be free to plug in their crony for the nom.

too bad bernie will never let that happen

[silvershadow]

63. Another big clue for me is how they speak. They sound like they're trying to be one of us, but it

only sounds like what they *think we sound like, or worse, what they probably sound like. Happens every election. Also, look for newbies that only want to throw a question out, without offering so much as a hint as to who they might be, what they stand for, their story, or anything.

[restorefreedom]

70. yup. been seeing that too...those "questions" nt

[Bubzer]

64. It's a known tactic... somtimes used to discourage and disenfranchise.

That it's being used at all is a sign that the race is anything but locked up. The opposition doesn't bother with these style of tactics if they truly think they've got it in the bag. They clearly don't.

[restorefreedom]

69. true, they also don't agree to go on fox news

becsuse they are afraid of the "unelectable" candidate getting a whole hour on tv

[VulgarPoet]

74. It sounded like the screw was in as soon as Hillary triangulated back to go on Fox News as well...

wonder how all those who were screaming about "baww baww no real democrat goes on fox news" felt about that.

[restorefreedom]

82. yup. i have no doubt she was loathing it

but can't let bernie hsve the full hour

seems like odd behavior for an "inevitable" candidate

[peacebird]

76. This Bernie supporter is in it to win! Yo the convention, and beyond!

[restorefreedom]

84. absolutely! nt

[Zorra]

89. yep nt

[Babel_17]

92. I'm a Clinton supporter, but it's time ...

to realize the majority of the public is never going to trust her. With Clinton we could have a candidate for POTUS who's aides are under indictment. I'm a Clinton supporter,* but I think she wrecked her chances with the unforced errors of the wheelings and dealings of the Clinton foundation, and the speeches to Goldman Sachs. Having a private server running a vanilla version of Microsoft software, though totally OK as an alternative to a secured one, is a bone that some people will just never let go of.

It's been a great ride, being her supporter, but it's time to move on to someone who won't enter office while being involved in multiple federal investigations, and their aftermath. House of Cards has enough inspiration as it is.

I think over time we'll even come to grow fond of the other candidate, Senator Sanders.

*Speaking in a metaphysical sense, one not bound by time and space, or only one reality.

[mahina]

93. A few months back I remember finding a site that tracked the geographic distribution of posts.

India was right behind the Canada.

Just saying.

Updated: here's the link. India is still pretty active but only accounts for under 2% of our site traffic. I can guess!
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/democraticunderground.com


Bernie supporters that I know are ready to let the process take the time it takes, and are united in one thing above all- it is NOT over.