Interesting Poll: 33% of Bernie Supporters Will Not Vote for Clinton

[Fawke Em]

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders' supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November. This could spell trouble for Clinton who will likely need Sanders' backers in order to win the White House.

(Nothing more to the article. That's it. Must just be an extraction from the poll)


https://news.yahoo.com/video/poll-33-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-120220441.html

[peacebird]

1. The BernieOrBust movement.

[agracie]

2. I am surprised it's not higher. I would have guessed at least 50 %. n/t

[AgerolanAmerican]

87. Maybe they missed the mark by 20 percent

was it a 538 poll?

[appalachiablue]

3. Must they be made to heel? Lol.

[cantbeserious]

24. This Citizen Is Tired Of Being A DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Lap Dog

eom

[appalachiablue]

27. Amen.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

52. A one woman wrecking crew.

[appalachiablue]

67. The ugly truth. And advocating deregulation of predatory Payday Loan Sharks

operated by WS during an historic election year and times of mass inequality on an unseen global scale. That takes **lls.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

70. This woman is like no democrat I've ever known or heard of.

I have several conclusions I can draw, but I won't. Rest assured they're probably the same conclusions you've come to. Please, Debbie, resign from your post and we will leave you alone.

[hopeforchange2008]

48. Ditto eom

[Manifestor_of_Light]

4. There's a very old political expression that applies to this situation.

It's called "Hold your nose and vote."

[BillZBubb]

31. Been there, done that.

It isn't a very satisfying action.

[840high]

34. No more. My nose is too sore.

[AlbertCat]

54. "Hold your nose and vote."

Since every election is voting for the best candidate, not the perfect candidate, I get it.

HOWEVER.... maybe the DNC needs to be shown they cannot depend on jerking us around and frightening us into voting even tho' they have given us some candidate that has nothing to offer.

Frankly, as a gay atheist, I don't think anyone cares what i think or want and no one represents me. The only reason I vote is because, if you don't vote, you can't complain. But I suffer no illusions that my vote means anything to anyone that matters.

[TheUndecider]

62. Not sure about no one caring about your demographic

USA becoming more secular and supportive of LGBT issues/rights

In fact one of the dem candidates is and has been both before 2010

[Le Taz Hot]

71. My belief system isn't for sale

and it's not open to compromise. I don't vote for corporate lackeys.

[arcane1]

77. Our vote is still expected to be owed, not earned.

Those days are coming to an end.

[TIME TO PANIC]

5. Yep, most of them are independents.

... but I know quite a few democrats who vow not to vote for her either.

[BernieforPres2016]

6. But the DNC thinks if they pat us on the head

and congratulate Bernie and his supporters for "moving Hillary to the left" and claiming she will champion his issues, we would vote for her in the general election. They are clueless, as always.

[cantbeserious]

25. This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame

eom

[TTUBatfan2008]

43. What they don't understand...

...people are fed up with triangulation. "Move to the left for the primary, move to the center for the general." How about having a backbone with some consistency on the issues? Why is this too much to ask of the politicians running our country?

[Mufaddal]

7. Any word whether this includes Independents or if it's just Dems?

[FlatBaroque]

10. Excellent question

If Dems only then it is far worse than we can imagine.

[Mufaddal]

12. Precisely.

But we can still expect the DNC would ignore it even then.

[Fawke Em]

16. I'm trying to find the actual poll, but haven't had any luck yet. eom

[Maedhros]

8. Asking people to abandon their principles leave a bad taste in their mouths. [n/t]

[Ferd Berfel]

51. exactly, so does the suggestion

Hillary, and her Corporate DNC buddy represent things I despise and fear. example: I have no confidence that she will stick with any of her campaign flipflops if elected. Like protecting and expanding Social security, abandoning Keystone XL and TPP. I should vote to get screwed? I can get screwed without supporting it. Thank you sir may I please have another.

Oh yea, It's the lesser of two evils.

[FlatBaroque]

9. You choose: President Trump or President Bernie. Only 2 choices.

[dana_b]

14. I agree.

And I will admit that beyond a vote for Bernie, well let's just say that I may still vote for a woman for President.

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. Jury results...

On Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:00 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You choose: President Trump or President Bernie. Only 2 choices.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=141065

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Posting that the only choice is Trump if Bernie isn't the nominee is clearly against the TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:07 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert is either frivolous or based on a total misunderstanding of the post. Many are arguing here that, based on polls, it appears Sanders has a much greater chance of beating the Repubs in December than Clinton does and this is a fair argument. This post is not an argument for voting Trump.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Given the context (and the OP's admitting that it could be an extrapolation), I'll let it stand.


Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That is not over the top, and it's not against the TOS. Please stop throwing the TOS into alerts. This poster is stating what this poster believes will happen. So cut it out.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What? Are the DU nanny now?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I can't wait until the primary season is over.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[dana_b]

20. omg..

If they don't like what we say, stay the hell out of the BS group!! WHY do they care so damn much?!

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. Given the climate and the momentum lately, I think it's fear.

I seriously rubbed my eyes a few times to be sure I wasn't missing something. Unless it was super-ultra-subliminal coding...

[FlatBaroque]

68. I am floored.

I am no longer going to even try and figure them out.

[Le Taz Hot]

72. Well, that explains the Alert.

[wryter2000]

75. My apologies

I didn't realize I was in the Bernie Sanders group. I will look more closely before posting again.

BTW, I wasn't the alerter.

[Herman4747]

13. BAD DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU LIVE IN A BATTLEGROUND, TOSS-UP...

...state you need to vote for Hillary if she's our nominee!!!

Don't think of it as voting for Hillary, think of it as VOTING AGAINST THE REPUBLICAN (Trump, Cruz, whoever).

Think about the presidency of Bush II. Wasn't that a nightmare??? In voting against the Republican, you are doing your part to try to avert a similar nightmare.

[Herman4747]

15. Bernie Supporter, Michael Moore, weighs in:

[klook]

57. I agree 100% (n/t)

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

59. BS -this is the Sanders Group!

[mattvermont]

18. As a Vermonter

I can do just that and not feel bad about it.

[Vincardog]

19. Who could have seen that coming? Independents who primaried for Bernie don't like HRC?

[SoapBox]

22. Exactly.

[Zorra]

23. We've been saying this all along. Left indies and many millennials

won't vote for Clinton. Even some long time Dems are done voting for the lesser of two evils.

[ghostsinthemachine]

26. That's absolute bullshit....

1/3? No sorry, they are gonna pull the handle, reluctantly, for HRC if she is the nominee.

[DebbieCDC]

29. Don't bet the ranch on that

[BillZBubb]

32. Wanna bet?

A lot of groups supporting Sanders will not vote for Hillary. A big subset won't even bother to vote, which will hurt Democratic candidates down the ballot.

[840high]

35. Probably not.

[TM99]

38. Keep telling yourself that.

The number of registered Democratic voters is less than 30%. That number will get smaller still if Clinton prevails and probably close to 10% are recent leftist independents who want to primary for Sanders.

The Democratic Party can't win with those kinds of numbers no matter how many are cajoled into voting for the lesser of two evils, no matter how many of those are minorities, and that is bad for the GE.

[riderinthestorm]

39. 43% of voters are now Independents. Worse than herding Democratic cats

nobody can take their participation or fealty for granted anymore.

[Kalidurga]

64. Yeah like cats that can fly and love water and swimming.

Holy heck where did those cats go?

[Zorra]

40. No, sorry. All the lies, dirty tricks, smearing innocent people, etc, all have led many good

people to come to a sad, but well considered, ethical conclusion...

"Not Good Enough, Hillary"

For better or worse, the Clinton camp will reap what they've sown if Clinton is nominated. The lesser of two evils is still evil at the end of the day.

[ghostsinthemachine]

41. So you are not going to vote then? Is that the solution?

Are you gonna vote for Trump or whatever ass clown the Reps run out of spite?


I am a Bernie supporter and will vote for HRC if I have to. Not my first choice but at least my first choice got a lot farther than my last first choice (Kucinich) and the one before that.

[Zorra]

45. I have been a Democrat all my life, and have never, ever even thought about

voting for a republican in my wildest dreams. I have voted 100% straight Democratic ticket in every election since I was of voting age. And coming of voting age was a long time ago for me.

I've already voted early for Bernie in my state primary, and will definitely be voting a straight Democratic ticket this year if Bernie wins the nomination.

If he does not win the nomination, my vote for President would be moot, because Clinton cannot possibly even come close to winnng the GE in my red state, which even Obama lost in 2008.

My post was, for the most part, in regard to new millennial Dem voters, and the Independent left, like the OP is.

Don't shoot the messenger. The Dem Establishment/Clinton camp are fully responsible for the consequences of their perfidy, and the tragic results of the GE, if Bernie is not nominated.

[Cassiopeia]

46. A little over 500 votes is what gave FL to Bush in 2000.

It may not even take 1% sitting out or skipping the POTUS vote to give Republicans a win over Clinton IF she is the nominee.

[Art_from_Ark]

93. The US Supreme Court stopped the Florida vote counting,

before all the votes were counted.

[Bad Bad JuJu]

66. I hope we never get the opportunity to prove you're wrong because

Hilary Clinton will never be President of the United States of America. It's just not doable.

[Fawke Em]

73. Not from what I've been reading.

Many people are so tired of the establishment that they're willing to let the country hit rock bottom in hopes it will wake people up, finally.

[TexasBushwhacker]

92. I agree. They may say they won't vote for her

But if they live in a swing state, it would be I'll advised to not vote against the GOP. For me, being in Texas, it doesn't really matter who I vote for in the GE. Texas will be purple some day, but not yet.

[DebbieCDC]

28. I'm only surprised it's not more Dems

There is absolutely nothing that will get me to vote for HRC. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. I'm sick to death of "settling" (like those people in the Direct TV commercial who "settle" for cable). I'm done with this shit. Bernie or nothing.

[imari362]

80. ^^^^^^^

Same here.

[Rilgin]

30. It is what happens when you run a candidate with High Unfavorables who triangulates.

There are a lot of people with different types of cognitive dissonance in looking at our primary and our candidates. The democratic brand has been a part of the liberal mindset for a long time.

Brand loyalty is a big deal in America. Hillary has a (d) next to her name and still polls favorably within the people who brand themselves democrats.

Some of her supporters I am sure are enthusiastic in their support for Hillary. Given her unfavorables and her history, I believe these people must have high cognitive dissonance from having to give excuses for her unfavorable traits. However, she has support within the party either pure or with dissonance.

However, for many of us, our dissonance is different. We would like to be loyal democrats but the party is offering us a candidate who triangulates rather than runs on solid principles and who outright tells lies. Outside of the democratic party, Hillary has horrendous unfavorables and the word "dishonest" is the word most associated with her. Inside the party, this perception is less but is still there.

In most years, brand loyalty fights but usually wins over flawed candidacies. People like me have voted democratic line for 30 years. We celebrated when conservative democrats won elections as well as liberals. However in this primary we were actually given a different and purer choice of a candidate who runs on principle and has generally high favorables and low unfavorables facing a candidate with the exact opposite. Until this primary, every person in the democratic party would have expressed admiration for Bernie.

Having a principled candidate run does happen periodically. When it does it causes dissonance both in people who support the establishment candidate but also in those who break free and support the principled underdog. However the dissonance is different in the two groups.

The Hillary supporters are swallowing any cognitive dissonance they feel to be loyal to the democratic party. The Bernie supporters are trying but the dissonance keeps raising its head to say why would we really support someone we think is dishonest, triangulates and has a history that has some good but also has her lining up on the corporate and military side of the most important votes and issues of our time. Instead of sublimating, Hillary's candidacy causes us to question why we are democrats and many of us don't like the answers. Some portion are coming to the conclusion that they do not like the democratic party in its current form.

Bernie on the other hand answers those questions in a way that reduces the cognitive dissonance. He gives many of a proud reason to be a democrat because his policies support all people and are the right side of traditional democratic values that attracted our brand loyalty in the first place.

[BillZBubb]

36. Nice post. You've made some good points.

"Hillary's candidacy causes us to question why we are democrats and many of us don't like the answers"

I don't think it is her candidacy that is the issue here. It is her success and the way so many Democrats now eagerly support positions that were republican staples a few decades ago.

The party, it seems, has moved significantly to the right. I'm not going there.

[Z_California]

33. It's the story of the Democratic Party

From majority to minority party in Congress and State governments. Many people who are voting for Bernie haven't bothered voting in recent years because the government is corrupt and both parties work for the 1%.

[BillZBubb]

37. Yep, yet our party "leaders" can't figure out why.

Or maybe they know why but don't want to upset their big money benefactors.

We get clobbered every non-presidential election because those who should be Democratic voters don't show up to vote.

[OkSustainAg]

42. I am a big supporter

of Bernie. OK voted for Bernie and I was so proud. But the evangelicals voted for 7 mountains Cruz (Grrr!). I am a Leftist in the Democratic Party. I want to see a more left turn. I say grow the Democratic Party with more leftist constituency. Exert more control at the convention. Win back the party. Sign up the youth and left independents and move the party away from corporate control and more to helping our citizens. I want the REAL win.

[Nightjock]

44. I think I am one more lie about Bernie away

from joining the 33%.
The last one about the auto bailout made me LIVID. I expect such ugliness and flat out lying from republicans not a democrat.

[Skittles]

49. and they would blame Hillary for losing the election

[timmymoff]

55. I'd blame her

for being so uninspiring and holding virtually every position on every issue that people wouldn't know what they are voting for. And therein lies the problem, we would be voting against, not for something.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

61. And playing very dirty politics against a veritable saint

[Beowulf]

63. You are damn right I would blame Hillary.

And the party leadership, big money PACs, and the MsM.

If you haven't read today's Salon piece by Bill Curry, I urge you todo so. It's as clearheaded an analysis of this year's election as I've read. It's not about Democrats versus Republicans; it's about party elites versus rank and file. Breaking the Clinton Machine's domination of the Democratic Party is vital to the reform movement. You aren't going to get justice on so many concerns: health care, racism, militarized police, income inequality, global warming, a clean environment, equal rights for women, immigration reform, better schools, prison reform, decriminalizing drugs, etc., until the power of the elites is broken. That's why I think Bernie can peel away some of Trump's support.

I would never vote for a Republican and this cycle's offerings are especially awful. But I can see Trump pulling some votes as with the exception of immigration, Trump will likely be running to the left of Clinton on many issues.

This could be a transformative election. The conditions that allow such a possibility don't come along very often. To be honest and frank, I fear what eight more years of unchecked power of the Clinton Machine would mean for the party and country.

[Skittles]

85. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

go preach to the choir

edited to add - I am banned from the HC Tiger Beat club, so don't accuse me of being some kind of YUGE FAN

[Fawke Em]

74. Actually, I think they'll blame the left, like they always do.

But this time, it might be true. The left is getting tired of this and may jump ship to the Greens.

[Vincardog]

91. Who do you blame for all the democratic losses since the Corporate democrats have taken over?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

50. I will never vote for another Clinton or Bush. It feels real good!

[silvershadow]

56. Doesn't it? Our long national nightmare is over! nt

[Hyper_Eye]

53. Here is the thing. I don't believe them.

I voted for Bernie but I am fully prepared to support and vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. As is stated in the overall purpose of this website I will support the Democratic nominee. It is a hell of a lot better than the alternative. Honestly we have two good candidates. I believe that campaign finance reform is the most pressing issue of our time and so I support Bernie but Hillary is touching on important issues as well. Putting all of that aside we need a Democrat in office because the Republicans will wipe away the progress we have made. In particular the ACA needs to be protected. It would be devastating to this country if we went back to where we were before the ACA. I will vote for whomever is committed to protecting and preserving that law.

These polls get posted here every primary season. I dismiss them every time because progressives and liberals always coalesce around the nominee. For anyone that is enjoying your first presidential primary on this site, you are going to be amazed at how quickly the tone will change here leading up to and after the convention. This is always a rough time on this site but it will pass. Come November you will see a united front here cheering our nominee to victory.

[PoliticAverse]

58. Yeah I don't believe things like this said before a candidate has actually been chosen. n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

60. The only way to change the dem party is to stop playing their game

You'll thank us one day. Fact is I'm still planning on voting Bern in November .

[TheUndecider]

65. In the General Election

I will vote for the candidate whose views most align with my own. If Bernie not on the ballot that will mean voting for Jill Stein

[valerief]

69. What percent of Hillary supporters won't vote for Bernie?

Oh, yeah, they never ask stuff like that.

[pangaia]

76. She's not going to win the nomination. Why would they vote for her?

[LyndaG]

78. That's too bad

Personally, I can't afford to be that way. Too many important differences between the Republicans and Democrats: The Supreme Court, healthcare.

[imari362]

82. Clinton or Trump

I see them as, two peas in the pod.

Clinton won't appoint any Justice that is likely to overturn Citizens United....she needs that money/supporter/pacs for her re-election run.

Clinton won't do much to improve on the healthcare of the people, her "building" on what President Obama has done would be more gifts to her money men...pacs, corps, big donors.

Not enough "differences" between Hillary Clinton and Republicans for me.

[LyndaG]

89. Two peas in a pod?

You're reminding me of the 2000 election. Some said there was little difference between Bush and Gore. Oy!

Senator Sanders has said that anybody on the Democratic side is preferable to those Republican Presidential candidates.

[imari362]

90. I Wholeheartedly Support Bernie.

BUT........
I NEVER do anything because someone "says" no matter who that is.
I ALWAYS do what I believe is best for me.

I don't compromise between the devil and his demons.

[kimbutgar]

79. So they will sit out and get president drumpf?

We gave to unite and make sure a Democratic candidate wins, I think these are those republican trolls pushing this poll.

[Fawke Em]

86. Then you'd be incorrect.

We may not unite this time. Clinton is an awful candidate to many Dems and most Independents.

Sorry to break the news to you.

And, I've never been a Republican or a troll. I posted the poll, but I'm not pushing it. I'm simply pointing to it.

[ncteechur]

81. I'm voting for the Democratic Party nominee.

If it is Bernie I'll vote for Bernie. If it is Clinton, I'll vote for Clinton. If you will not support the Democratic Party nominee, why are you on DU?

[seekthetruth]

83. I will write in Bernie with YUGE capital letters!

[marew]

84. +1! n/t

[Impedimentus]

88. I'm not even going to speculate this early. All I Care About Is Getting Bernie Nominated.

For me, I'm not going to go through mental gymnastics and waste time on speculation. WE NEED BERNIE, period!

[eridani]

94. If they are in states that are very red of very blue, that won't matter. n/t