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QC

(26,371 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:38 PM Mar 2016

Owen Jones: Back Clinton if you think it’s the only way to defeat Trump...

but don’t pretend she’s an LGBT champion

It is galling to see Clinton transformed, undeservedly, into some sort of LGBT icon. When I asked LGBT Labourites whom they would choose, if they could magically ensure either Sanders or Clinton becomes president, some made a passionate case for Clinton, despite a worse record on LGBT rights and although she’s to the right of not only Sanders, but even the British Conservatives on some issues. If people sincerely believe Clinton is their only chance of keeping Trump out the White House, I respect that view, even if I disagree with it. But let’s not pretend her record on LGBT rights is anything other than a mixture of opportunism, belatedness and outright dishonesty.


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/03/back-clinton-if-you-think-it-s-only-way-defeat-trump-don-t-pretend-she-s
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Owen Jones: Back Clinton if you think it’s the only way to defeat Trump... (Original Post) QC Mar 2016 OP
Nominating Clinton is the way to loose the General Election. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #1
I agree. Jones is getting at the false notion QC Mar 2016 #2
It's not the "only way" to defeat Trump farleftlib Mar 2016 #3
Yes, that's in the article as well. QC Mar 2016 #4
Received an email from Human Rights Campaign urging me to vote for Clinton today. Zorra Mar 2016 #5
Good work. QC Mar 2016 #6
And how about them backing that Republican over Tammy Duckworth! SoapBox Mar 2016 #7

QC

(26,371 posts)
2. I agree. Jones is getting at the false notion
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016

that Hillary is some sort of LGBT icon.

She's not.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
3. It's not the "only way" to defeat Trump
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

It's not even the better way. Bernie is light years ahead of her on LGBT issues and he'd destroy Trump in the GE. He didn't have to evolve on LGBT rights, he was always on the right side of the issue. They're putting the cart in front of the horse yet again. I can't wait till Bernie pulls ahead.

QC

(26,371 posts)
4. Yes, that's in the article as well.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

Owen Jones, a British Leftist and LGBT activist, says that he can understand the idea that she's a better bet against Trump, though he doesn't think so himself, but that Hillary is in no way, shape, form, or fashion an LGBT icon.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
5. Received an email from Human Rights Campaign urging me to vote for Clinton today.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

Unsubscribed from their email list, gave them a piece of my mind for throwing a longtime friend to the LGBT community like Bernie under the bus in order to support campaign for a *hopefully* former enemy of our community.

I say hopefully former enemy, because I have no doubt whatsoever that she will turn against the LGBT community in a heartbeat if she thinks it will be politically expedient for her.

QC

(26,371 posts)
6. Good work.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't be at all surprised if she shape-shifts back into an evangelical. After all, it's time to "pivot."

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. And how about them backing that Republican over Tammy Duckworth!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

Another WTF moment from the Human Rights Campaign.

Another reason that they simply have no credibility.

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