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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:45 AM Mar 2016

The shit is going to hit the fan about Arizona. The Arizona Republic, a right wing rag -is all over

the crap that is going on in this state.

1. They called BS on calling the winners before people were done voting.
2. Video tape of voters being told to go home.
3. We know about people not being able to vote.
4. One polling place for every 21,000 voters

Let the Hillary supporters laugh & call this a conspiracy theory but HER VOTERS where effected as well. She may have lost a handful of delegates tonite as well. When you sign in to vote in a democratic primary, they do not know which Dem you are voting for.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/22/live-arizona-primary-coverage-presidential-preference-election/82096726/

Updating thru the nite.

1st update - from twitter - check this shit out:
ppoliMike 11m11 minutes ago
Waiting to vote in AZ as Hill gives her AZ victory speech.Shows how much she cares about democracy
#Arizona


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The shit is going to hit the fan about Arizona. The Arizona Republic, a right wing rag -is all over (Original Post) jillan Mar 2016 OP
was explaining my definition of trouncing PatrynXX Mar 2016 #1
There are still a ton of votes to count, esp with the massive provisional ballots cast today because jillan Mar 2016 #4
From what I've heard about provisional ballots, they can be trouble... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #9
I have read that but still have no clear idea of what good the receipt does. ebayfool Mar 2016 #11
Never having filled out one, I can't fill in the missing... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #13
Maybe someone will jump in here and let us both know :) ebayfool Mar 2016 #16
In Penn., receipt for Prov. ballot lets you call to see if the vote was accepted. Divernan Mar 2016 #31
TY for the explanation, Divernan. Most helpful. I see receipts talked about and it seemed ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #32
Arizona has a history of not counting ballots for months. jillan Mar 2016 #14
Anyone who is satisfied with the voting in Arizona Mike__M Mar 2016 #2
I now live in Blood-Red Maricopa County... MANY of my co-workers took... Raster Mar 2016 #3
Make sure you keep checking that link I posted from the Republic(an). jillan Mar 2016 #7
are there no mail in ballots in AZ -- been wondering that. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #12
Yes, there are mail-in ballots... that's how I voted. Raster Mar 2016 #37
thanks oldandhappy Mar 2016 #38
Yes, it's a terrible situation bbrady42 Mar 2016 #5
This isn't about us and them. It's all Dems that were disenfranchised in Az tonite. jillan Mar 2016 #8
You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath Plucketeer Mar 2016 #36
Who's in charge of running Democratic primaries in Arizona? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #23
How come I feel like my vote Pharaoh Mar 2016 #6
Fuck anyone who tells you there isn't MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #10
^^this^^ Pharaoh Mar 2016 #15
Do you know anything about HOW this gets contested? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #17
Probably won't be easy Pharaoh Mar 2016 #19
ignore them dana_b Mar 2016 #21
They shouldn't call themselves Americans Lorien Mar 2016 #28
K&R It Is So Unfair! DianaForRussFeingold Mar 2016 #18
it really is criminal neglegence Pharaoh Mar 2016 #20
Protest tomorrow morning. jillan Mar 2016 #22
PROTEST Tomorrow 9:00 a.m. in Maricopa: dana_b Mar 2016 #24
Lol dana - that's me on twitter. Thank you for sharing it here. jillan Mar 2016 #25
awesome! dana_b Mar 2016 #26
She was only unable to steal Idaho because of Lorien Mar 2016 #27
Idaho had a caucus, not real prone to election theft n/t IDemo Mar 2016 #33
I notice that too Pharaoh Mar 2016 #34
Um, that's what was implied. Lorien Mar 2016 #39
It's going to backfire Lorien Mar 2016 #29
Love it ! agracie Mar 2016 #30
Well...this a preview of the GE noiretextatique Mar 2016 #35

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
1. was explaining my definition of trouncing
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

to me beating someone over 100,000 is a trounce. she's not doing that with Bernie. less than 80,000 votes apart. Not Good but not the whipping Donald is giving Ted.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
4. There are still a ton of votes to count, esp with the massive provisional ballots cast today because
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

of this major - f UP.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
9. From what I've heard about provisional ballots, they can be trouble...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

I think one can acquire a receipt. I hope EVERYONE who cast one GOT this, as well..

Massive provisional ballots + reduced polling places + call the win before people can vote = BIG TROUBLE

SHAME ON YOU, AZ!

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
11. I have read that but still have no clear idea of what good the receipt does.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

Unless it's just for personal verification that your ballot was read correctly when the machines count them? What am I missing?

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
16. Maybe someone will jump in here and let us both know :)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

My Google-foo is somewhat lacking tonight - not finding what I'm looking for.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
31. In Penn., receipt for Prov. ballot lets you call to see if the vote was accepted.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:00 AM
Mar 2016

The whole process could be different in Arizona. But here in Pennsylvania, where I'm a judge of elections for my ward and district, and in that capacity oversee provisional ballots, here's how it works.

Provisional ballots are paper ballots, to be filled out by hand. They are not voted on a voting machine.

If an individual is not listed in the official register I am provided, which lists all registered voters in my ward and district, or is a first time voter at that ward and district, but without the required ID, that individual is not allowed to vote on a voting machine, but can opt to sit in a private area of my polling place and fill out, by hand, a provisional (paper) ballot. As judge, I seal that ballot in an individual, numbered, envelope and give the individual a receipt with a matching number, and written instructions telling the individual he/she may phone the county Board of Elections in several days to determine whether their ballot was "accepted", i.e., whether their vote was counted in the final total.

After the polls close, I put all the envelopes containing individual provisional ballots into a master envelope and turn it in to the county, along with all my voluminous other paperwork.

Bottom line, each paper, provisional ballot has to be individually reviewed and checked by county officials, which is very time consuming. If the number of voted, provisional ballots is less than the winning margin of the machine votes, they are not reviewed and counted at all.

If the election is so close that the number of voted, provisional ballots is more than the winning margin. the provisional ballots are reviewed and, if they pass the review, counted.

One possible outcome - county personnel look through their own records and find the individual was mistakenly listed in the wrong party by the county when they compiled the register. In that case, the provisional ballot would be accepted.

Other times, people are mistaken and went to the wrong polling place, or perhaps had moved into a new ward and district and failed to update that info with the county elections office. Those provisional ballots are not counted.

I have found it rare to have someone vote on a provisional ballot - many elections, there are none. Others, only 1 or 2.

Arizona's election sounds like one huge clusterfuck on the part of the campaign officials.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
32. TY for the explanation, Divernan. Most helpful. I see receipts talked about and it seemed ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:07 AM
Mar 2016

one of things everyone knew about, that I would look dumpkoff for not knowing. That was a nice, easy to get explanation!

DU is a great place to pick up information

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
2. Anyone who is satisfied with the voting in Arizona
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

regardless of how it turns out, is a sad excuse for a democrat.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. I now live in Blood-Red Maricopa County... MANY of my co-workers took...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

...long lunches to go vote. ALMOST ALL OF THEM came back without voting because they could not afford to stand in line for ANOTHER 90 TO 120 MINUTES.

I have also personally spoken with no less than FIVE PERSONS here at work who are Democrats, have been for some time, and voted the last time they voted as a Democrat, and are now either listed as Independents or Republicans.

Yes, something very smelly is going on in Arizona.

bbrady42

(175 posts)
5. Yes, it's a terrible situation
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

And thank you for acknowledging that Clinton voters were affected too.

The only conspiracy people are "laughing at," is the one where the AZ Democratic party (or Clinton campaign) is somehow held responsible for the mess.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
36. You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:06 AM
Mar 2016

while waiting for complaints from the HRC gang. As long as she's listed as the winner, they're NOT gonna care how she got there!

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
6. How come I feel like my vote
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

doesn't count?

I'm not being a sore loser.

But there seems to be massive voter suppression throughout this country.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
10. Fuck anyone who tells you there isn't
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:02 AM
Mar 2016

And fuck anyone who tells you this has nothing to do with the MASSIVE crowds gathering for Bernie Sanders as his national metrics shows another likely outcome if they were given a fair chance.

All the shit that's happened to only minority voters is now happening to all voters who seek the same things all these years that PoC have been telling us we ALL deserved.

I have had enough, Pharaoh and I live in Pennsylvania which hasn't voted yet, but is a swing state.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
15. ^^this^^
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

Wisconsin here. Big swing state.

I live in Madison which is like 80% Bernie given the yard signs and bumper stickers.

Our primary is April 5th, I voted early today.

No matter what happens, I hope it is contested and this goes to the convention.

Theres just too much corrupt fucked up shit going on.

If we had any kind of a media in this country it would be so fucking obvious!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
17. Do you know anything about HOW this gets contested?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

Cause I don't. I should be sleeping now, but it's been hard tonight.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
19. Probably won't be easy
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:22 AM
Mar 2016

and of course the Clinton people will call us a bunch of whiny losers etc.

I'm ready for bed too.

We will regroup in the morning and sort it out then.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
28. They shouldn't call themselves Americans
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:35 AM
Mar 2016

They should live in the f*cking Congo if they think this sh*t is OK!

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
20. it really is criminal neglegence
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

at the very least. Heads should roll.

And a re vote should be done on a fucking Saturday so people don't have to take off work for this shit!!!

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
24. PROTEST Tomorrow 9:00 a.m. in Maricopa:
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:10 AM
Mar 2016

The Bernie Journey ‏@BernieJourney16 1h1 hour ago
UPDATE: Bernie's campaign is on TV saying AZ numbers look wrong. There is probably a lawsuit coming. #ArizonaVoterFraud #VoterSuppression
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Lorien

(31,935 posts)
27. She was only unable to steal Idaho because of
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 AM
Mar 2016

all the photo evidence and witnesses. No way in Hell the discrepancies are that huge between the States. These look like all the percentages that we see in online polls!



Idaho Falls:

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
29. It's going to backfire
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:24 AM
Mar 2016

I already see "vote blue no matter who" friends backpeddling because of this.

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