Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumThis is why Bernie should contest the Az primary results
all in one little article.
She's brilliant! A mastermind!!
Interesting article.
Here's the part that gets me the most:
3. Thousands of voters say their party affiliation was altered or undocumented, preventing them from voting
Arizona has closed primaries, which means that if you aren't registered as a democrat, you can't vote. As a local news report put it:
Arizona law already effectively disenfranchises 36 percent of registered voters.
These would be voters who are unaffiliated with any political party. Independent. The only way those individuals can vote in a primary is to re-register with a political party. And they have to do so 29 days before the election.
Its ridiculous to think that 36 percent of Arizona voters -- cant vote.
But many independents did change their party affiliation, and guess what happened on election day?
Leaders from the Arizona branch of the Democratic Party have confirmed that its lawyers are officially making an inquiry after multiple Democratic voters showed up to the polls only to find that they were listed as independents, Republicans, or had no party affiliation at all.
Many voters wound up having to wait in line under the hot Arizona sun only to find that they were ineligible to vote for the candidates of their choice. To add insult to injury, the polling locations have been so poorly planned that many voters had to wait in line up to four hours before finding out that their information had been improperly filed.
And just to be clear: We're not talking about a few isolated incidents
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/arizona-hillary-clintons-election-fraud-masterpiece/ri13524?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
If we ignore all of this now, we deserve what we get. I'm glad that the Az Dems have some lawyers on it but Bernie should too.
And yes, I have been sending this stuff to the Sander's campaign. I do not care if they think I'm a nutter.
All in it together
(275 posts)it's a really bad idea no matter whose at fault.
dchill
(38,320 posts)and READ THE ARTICLE!
EVERYONE.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Just because election fraud benefited your candidate, it does not mean that it should just be ignored. Election fraud isn't something that one must have a strategy for so to be able to win. Election fraud hurts everyone on the Democratic side or Republican side -- it hurts America as a whole. It is anathema to what this country stands for.
Election fraud isn't the status quo & we shouldn't be told to be quiet because the fraud benefited the candidate you like. Because in the end the fraud will hurt you.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)on how to whine. I first noticed this Bernie whining phenomena when he started to whine about his dad being underemployed and going to see "death of a salesman". Like his father was the only immigrant who had it hard. You done well Bernie. Whining is in.
The parties are private organizations. They make the rules. if you don't like the rules make your own party. I personally think all primaries should be closed.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I expect you'll just say "oh no biggie that thousands of Dems were disenfranchised today".
"I don't care. No biggie".
Think I'll bookmark this so I remember you during the GE. And don't forget it's Bernie Sanders supporters who are doing the heavy lifting on this now.
Enjoy your brief stay in the Bernie Group! There's drinks and snacks over there if you'd like something before you go! Try the muffins. Excellent! (I made them). -------->
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)But when this happens to Hillary in the GE because those trying to fight and uncover the fraud were shut up because Hillary won last night, I won't feel bad at all.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)at Bernie or his supporters and gloss over the greater issue.
What's crazy is this hurts down ticket candidates too. It's not just Hillary who will be affected, it's the other Dem candidates in AZ.
It's crazy shortsighted.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Don't really care about the down ticket or anyone else, all they care about is that she becomes president. This is her time and every one else be damned.
I feel bad for the Hillary followers that are blinded by the cult of Clinton that they don't see that she isn't for them, she is for her.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)I don't hate anyone & have no hatred. Don't try to assume how I feel based on posts to message boards.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Bernie supporters are "whining" because the GOP run election last night has multiple, documented instances of fraud!!! We are whining for the benefit of Clinton too & all Democrats and Americans.
This has nothing to do with losing last night per se, it has to do with the fact that thousands were disenfranchised by Republican run voting.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)and you can join your kind away from here.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)it seems that Hillary has taught her supporters well. She seems a bit lost right now since she expected to be coronated by now.
I don't think primaries should be closed because people should be able to join or not join any party they want and to vote for whomever they want.
desmiller
(747 posts)like Obama occasionally, talk about his family WHINING?!!!! I'd seen alot of fucked up posts as of late, but this takes the cake. Voting rights are possibly being suppressed, and you have the absolute gall to talk about whining.... Trust me, I'm not whining. There's a difference between being a whiner and being pissed, and I am pissed!!! In the name of Bernie, I welcome you to my NAUGHTY LIST!!! and good fucking riddens.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)And if anybody is whining it's you. And anti-Semitic remarks about Bernie's family don't belong here. This is Bernie Sanders group after all.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)howl if it were happening to you. Hypocrite.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Because if she's the nominee, this is going to be working against her come November.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)thank you
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)I'm sure she's basking in her "victory" and won't rock the boat because she knows Sanders would be the winner of any kind of investigation/recount.
let's not get HASTY about it, right??
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)she'd be all over it, unfortunately she can't be counted on to do the right thing. She wants to be Empress so she might get around to doing something about this in Nov. if, goddess forbid, she wins the nomination.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Are unconcerned with election fraud unless it is against white people, IOW they don't care about POC, they only care about winning.
What I find Ironic is, that if the party refuses to take on the fraud now, Latinos (at least those among my family and friends) hate the Donald and may have gone her way out of that hatred fueled by fear, but her blatantly thumbing her nose at them will mean they will be defrauded again, via disenfranchisement possibly costing her the General Election.
Not to mention that her choosing along with her lap poodle DWS to ignore injustice aimed at POC in AZ, only proves to them that she is nothing but a fair weather friend, that would USE you, only at such times she may feel she need's the Latino vote, only to discard you after winning to revert back to her natural stance of building walls or "fences" as she calls them.
Or turning away Latino children to be killed or used and abused by viscous cartels simply to "send a message", (has she never heard of stationary? It tends to be more legible to read a message that way, than examining the blood and entrails of children she sends back to their deaths)
Personally I never doubted such was the case, that she only cares about her rich white friends and Corporate CEO's or bankers and has always just used POC as tools for her temporary needs, but there are some, that because of this will open their eyes to the reality and may choose to sit out the GE rather than wait four hours to put a false friend in the white house even if they do hate Trump. Especially if they now re-examine her true past positions regarding immigration and the Latino community.
The most delicious of ironies here, regarding her refusal to fight against Republican election fraud, is that even in this primary, she may have broken even, or even gained some delegates from their rightful votes denied.
What other election fraud perpetrated by Republicans will she turn a blind eye to next this primary? Fraud against black voting blocks? Native voting blocks? Asian voting blocks?
She appears quite unconcerned with either justice or Republican election fraud and I believe such an attitude will cost her the GE, if it is already not lost to her. (even this assumes that Sanders does not catch up, unlikely with the Democratic establishment cheating, while enabling the Republicans in their election fraud via condoning such with silence.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)flor-de-jasmim
(2,124 posts)Then felons, native americans, legal citizens with "different" names, etc., and we did nothing because we were not a member of that group. We all need to act.
To those who think this is whining...WAKE UP! These are our rights which are being trampled!
Fight for every vote, no matter who the person is voting for!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)to be openly rigged. They've screwed up, in so many ways, and this is just a symptom of the underlying affliction.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Too many people doing too many different things to solve this.