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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:40 PM Mar 2016

Is there any criticism of HRC that's not "negative"?

I'm so damn sick of that side whining like babies and treating us like shit when we share our concerns (and yes sometimes "attacks&quot with her coziness to big money, regime change, and the status quo.

Now Barney Frank is saying Bernie is going "negative".
Apparently Barney is more comfortable with her relatively recent stance against gay marriage than we are. Does he forget?




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Is there any criticism of HRC that's not "negative"? (Original Post) SHRED Mar 2016 OP
I used to like Barney Frank Pharaoh Mar 2016 #1
I remember watching him on C-SPAN during the Reagan years Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #4
yeah used to like him PatrynXX Mar 2016 #17
I liked him for about a minute some years ago, but then I saw that he was corrupt sob. 2banon Mar 2016 #21
He's on the board of directors of New York-based Signature Bank Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #27
There you have it. Interesting that Judy Woodruff FAILED to mention that tidbit on the newscast 2banon Mar 2016 #30
Ditto. nt malokvale77 Mar 2016 #31
The posting of actual videos and quotes has become "hating" libdem4life Mar 2016 #2
^^ this^^ SHRED Mar 2016 #5
double ^^This^^ Pharaoh Mar 2016 #9
Actually all criticism of Hillary is "bashing" and "hatred" Doctor_J Mar 2016 #3
No doubt SHRED Mar 2016 #8
True. Lorien Mar 2016 #20
Not so funny thing is... malokvale77 Mar 2016 #33
Yep, on a Democratic site, it is bad to address a candidate's history? libdem4life Mar 2016 #41
Bernie is going to say the truth and if that's "negative" dana_b Mar 2016 #6
Yep SHRED Mar 2016 #7
I think Barney Frank drank the kool-aid. delrem Mar 2016 #10
Franken cheered on the Iraq invasion SHRED Mar 2016 #11
Well, he wrote the book on Supply Side Jesus. delrem Mar 2016 #13
He also criticized "weasel words". dogman Mar 2016 #14
Months ago I posted that Barney Frank was dead to me....... Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2016 #12
He's on the board of directors of New York-based Signature Bank Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #28
At the start of the campaign season I was saying positive things about Hillary Hiraeth Mar 2016 #15
Absolutely... malokvale77 Mar 2016 #34
She has nice hair Lorien Mar 2016 #16
when I see her at rallys/events Pharaoh Mar 2016 #22
She even does any rallies? SoapBox Mar 2016 #25
Never Seen Her Rallies LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #40
Like Shrub, she can't go out in public w/o meeting protesters farleftlib Mar 2016 #43
as for the negative fiction PatrynXX Mar 2016 #18
Any fact about Hillary does tend to come across that way Lorien Mar 2016 #19
^this^ Pharaoh Mar 2016 #23
Yup...USED to think I liked him...then found out that he sold his soul to SoapBox Mar 2016 #24
The short answer is NO. democrank Mar 2016 #26
You guys need to cool off and work with what you have. It's messy but whatever rusty quoin Mar 2016 #29
"You guys"?? SHRED Mar 2016 #36
This reminds me of the Truman quote: area51 Mar 2016 #32
Barney Sold Out - Plain And Simple cantbeserious Mar 2016 #35
So Many Good Deeds, So Much Amnesia corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #37
Hillary is "positively" corrupt tk2kewl Mar 2016 #38
Excerpt: "Negative" criticism... Donkees Mar 2016 #39
Spot on. I married one ... which is probably why I'm so adamantly for libdem4life Mar 2016 #42
and nina wasn't letting that hopemountain Mar 2016 #44
Truth SHRED Mar 2016 #45

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
4. I remember watching him on C-SPAN during the Reagan years
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

He was someone I admired back then.
Now, not so much.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
17. yeah used to like him
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:30 AM
Mar 2016

we seem to be in opposite land. where up is down and down is up and liberal is conservative and Conservative is Liberal (er wouldn't go that far but it sorta goes that direction)

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
21. I liked him for about a minute some years ago, but then I saw that he was corrupt sob.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:41 AM
Mar 2016

and that Dodd Frank bill is a Bankster's wet dream Imo. Had to put up with an interview experience on PBS News Hour tonight so he can defend Dodd Frank and explain how wonderful that bill is, and how useless Glass Steagal was, well, blathering on and on not saying anything at all really.

I can't stand him.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
30. There you have it. Interesting that Judy Woodruff FAILED to mention that tidbit on the newscast
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:44 AM
Mar 2016

tonight.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. The posting of actual videos and quotes has become "hating"
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

or "going negative" or "smears". If it's opinion, I can understand. But in the face of actual facts ..."Who are you going to believe...me or your lying eyes?" it boggles the mind.

It's the Coronation Acolytes.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
3. Actually all criticism of Hillary is "bashing" and "hatred"
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

Especially quoting her actual positions on healthcare, capital punishment, TPP, ttip, domestic spying, torture, gay marriage, dadt, doma, for profit prisons, and endless war in the middle east.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
41. Yep, on a Democratic site, it is bad to address a candidate's history?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:05 AM
Mar 2016

What else is there, but "read my lips"...now.

Inconvenient facts create the hazy atmosphere of denial. And, the irrelevant one-liners.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
6. Bernie is going to say the truth and if that's "negative"
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

to them, then maybe they should look at why that is.

Barney Frank, Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer and so many more who have a close relationship with the Clintons (and the current Democratic party) need to open their minds as to why so many are not singing her praises. We are tired of being cast aside as second class citizens if we don't go along with their ideas as to what/how the party should be. Their ideas are no longer progressive nor beneficial to most of us.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
10. I think Barney Frank drank the kool-aid.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:03 AM
Mar 2016

Took the money, or something.

Same with Al Franken. Good old Al, converted to the church of Supply Side Jesus



Isn't it all amazing! And I thought I knew these guys!

delrem

(9,688 posts)
13. Well, he wrote the book on Supply Side Jesus.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

I guess he finds that he likes it more and more.

In all it doesn't strike me that these people are very deep.
I mean, when the times demand a bit of fucking depth, they're failures.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
12. Months ago I posted that Barney Frank was dead to me.......
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

after he became a member of the board of directors for a bank. I'm sure that bank has altruistic intentions for its customers.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
15. At the start of the campaign season I was saying positive things about Hillary
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

but, had reservations about her leadership skills and thought she would make an excellent veep for Bernie.

Not anymore.

The things she and her team and her supporters here have done went a long way to convince me that she is not fit to haul garbage.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
16. She has nice hair
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

and she's a confident speaker. I just don't care for her policies, actions or the things that she says very much.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
22. when I see her at rallys/events
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

She seems really to not want to rub elbows with the common working people.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
25. She even does any rallies?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:22 AM
Mar 2016

Guess I missed them.

...I can't look at her anymore, in those Mao jackets.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
40. Never Seen Her Rallies
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:52 AM
Mar 2016

And the Gatherings are Small very small --- which makes it baffling about where those suppose amazing votes are coming from. Just amazing, indeed.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
43. Like Shrub, she can't go out in public w/o meeting protesters
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Mar 2016

and that dispels the much-touted but ultimately false inevitability narrative. The Empress has no clothes. Plus I believe she's as thin-skinned as he is, she can't hack being reminded of what she truly is.

She only shows up at small venues with high-rolling donors because she doesn't want to associate with the rabble. I've heard her talk about the activist left and she loathes us.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
18. as for the negative fiction
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:32 AM
Mar 2016

I put it this way. What goes around comes around. It starts at the Hillary Camp and always has. They provoke we respond then poof welcome to Faux smh and yes many Hillary supporters watch Faux. Some are very very anti Obama

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
19. Any fact about Hillary does tend to come across that way
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

simply because we're talking about facts about Hillary. Bernie is a boy scout compared to pretty much every politician since Carter. I think that's why they hate him so much; he is, as a GOP pundit once said "too clean, too honest, and has too long a record of always fighting for the middle class, which makes him almost impossible to beat in a fair election."

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
24. Yup...USED to think I liked him...then found out that he sold his soul to
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:20 AM
Mar 2016

corporate.

He's just another shill in an ever increasing Entrenched Elite & Cushy Establisment Turd Wayer list.

They really are in a panic, that their compfy boat, could get rocked by Bernie...make over $250,000 then they are panicking.

democrank

(11,085 posts)
26. The short answer is NO.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:35 AM
Mar 2016

Just get your ticket to the coronation and genuflect. Forget issues you believe in. Forget long-held principles. Support the machine. And, if you care about that Iraq War vote....remember....that was a long time ago. Get over it.

Treating us like "shit" is nothing new. It`s standard practice until just before election time when they need our vote to win. You could spend a whole day reading quotes from Corporate Headquarters about what they think of the party`s "radical" left.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
37. So Many Good Deeds, So Much Amnesia
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:23 AM
Mar 2016

I used to love Chairman Frank. He represented the people of Massachusetts with zeal and vigor. Then, he retired and became another shill like Howard Dean.

Words fail to capture my disappointment.

Which candidate for president supported DOMA? Which one fought it?

Donkees

(31,337 posts)
39. Excerpt: "Negative" criticism...
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:48 AM
Mar 2016
"Any event, action, inaction, utterance, or thought, which negate or can be construed to negate the uniqueness or the grandiose superiority of the narcissist – humiliate him. Living in a big city, belonging to a group of peers, any sign of disapproval, disagreement, criticism, or remonstrance – reduce him to a state of insulted, sulking agitation.

The narcissist interprets everything as addressed to his person ("ad hominem&quot rather than to his actions. The list of things, real or imagined, by which a narcissist might be slighted is dizzying indeed. When contradicted, when deprived of special treatment, when subjected to an attitude or comment which he judges to contravene his grandiose, superior self-image or his sense of entitlement – he is beside himself with indignant rage.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
44. and nina wasn't letting that
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:53 AM
Mar 2016

goofball statement by barney get by her - to the point we could not really understand anything barney said from there - especially when he tried to shush her.

bernie and his surrogates are having to endure so much shit from the pundits and hillary "supporters" on msm - but, they are so dedicated and committed to the campaign, they are doing what it takes.

i've witnessed the most ridiculous statements, questions and insinuations by the pundits - not only toward nina, but alan grayson, keith ellison, and even tulsi gabbard. they handle it with strength and are a credit to bernie, the campaign and the american voters. chris hayes has lost all integrity in my eyes and rachel has gone completely goofy.

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