Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:51 PM

R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)

Just watched a part of Charlie Rose interview of Sanders.

Apparently it's alright if Clinton attacks Sanders, but when he defends himself from team Hilly's attacks he's at fault

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Just watched a part of Charlie Rose interview of Sanders. (Original post)	R. Daneel Olivaw	Apr 2016	OP
of course!	Else You Are Mad	Apr 2016	#1
Let Bill Clinton handle all the press and Bernie will not have to lift a finger.	LiberalArkie	Apr 2016	#2
Charlie's an Establishment Guy, all the way.	appalachiablue	Apr 2016	#3
Also saw that. Grrr.	Duppers	Apr 2016	#4
I saw it too. And of course Charlie won't be posing that same question	Lodestar	Apr 2016	#5
He is part of the 1%. He used to work for Bill Moyers but went over to the dark side	Land of Enchantment	Apr 2016	#6
This is a deeply systemic problem	RufusTFirefly	Apr 2016	#7
Amen to that. I'm starting to wonder about Elizabeth Warren. I read 'A Fighting Chance'	Land of Enchantment	Apr 2016	#8
Yes. This may be deeply ironic in Warren's case	RufusTFirefly	Apr 2016	#9

Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:55 PM

Else You Are Mad (3,040 posts)

1. of course!

This is her time, why don't the Sanders supporters realize that and just go away. She deserves this.

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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:08 PM

LiberalArkie (14,924 posts)

2. Let Bill Clinton handle all the press and Bernie will not have to lift a finger.

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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:09 PM

appalachiablue (38,283 posts)

3. Charlie's an Establishment Guy, all the way.

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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:09 PM

Duppers (26,251 posts)

4. Also saw that. Grrr.

Had to leave cbs because I became so angry.
Damn but Rose was so viciously biased that he would qualify to work for Fox. I'll never watch him ever again.

Bernie was getting angry too. Worst interview I've ever seen of Bernie.

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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:14 PM

Lodestar (2,388 posts)

5. I saw it too. And of course Charlie won't be posing that same question

to Hillary. I've watched Charlie for awhile now and know where his loyalties
lie...with the establishment in general.

But here's the deal. Bernie took the bait and by his own admission these tit-for-tat
types of exchanges are nonsense and why so many people are SICK AND TIRED of
negative politics. He needs to stick to his "issues only" lane as much as possible and not get
caught in these obvious traps.

I know that's easy for anyone not in the midst of the storm to say. But he needs to
take a big time out RIGHT NOW and regroup with his staff and figure out how to stay
above the fray in N.Y. especially. He needs to trust people's ability to see through
the mud slinging. God knows we've all had plenty of experience with that and THAT
is a primary reason many have fallen in line behind him. He needs to remember this.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:16 PM

Land of Enchantment (1,217 posts)

6. He is part of the 1%. He used to work for Bill Moyers but went over to the dark side

and is protecting his 'investments' from his 'journalism' career.....

http://articlebio.com/charlie-rose

To calculate his success in monetary terms, Rose’s net worth results to $ 20 million. Charlie met his wife Mary King while attending Duke and was married to her for twelve years before having a divorce. Since 1993 Rose has been with his partner Amanda Burden who is a socialite and chairman of the New York City Planning Commission and director of the city department of planning. Charlie Rose currently owns a 575 acre farm in Oxford, an apartment in New York City , a beach house in Bellport , an apartment in Washington D.C , an apartment in Paris and also a house in North Carolina.

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:42 PM

RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)

7. This is a deeply systemic problem

The chances that people we admire today will go over to the Dark Side tomorrow are yuuge!

That's how corruption works. And that's why it's so insidious.
Its siren song is almost impossible to resist.
That's what makes people like Bernie Sanders, Bill Moyers, Amy Goodman, and just a few others so extraordinary.
Make no mistake: None of these people is perfect. And some may still follow the crowd over to the Dark Side. But for the time being, each demonstrates a strength of character that most of us can't even dream of matching.
You can't truly know how you'll react until you've been tempted.

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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:00 PM

Land of Enchantment (1,217 posts)

8. Amen to that. I'm starting to wonder about Elizabeth Warren. I read 'A Fighting Chance'

and was duly impressed with her history not to mention her work and passion. But--she could have made a big difference in MA and she is playing it coy. Too, what WAS that not so secret meeting with Biden all about? You never know. Hell, I'd vote for Gary Johnson again (former gov of NM) as he is off the charts liberal now and is a recovering Republican.

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:12 PM

RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)

9. Yes. This may be deeply ironic in Warren's case

Perhaps you've heard her interview with Bill Moyers when she talked about her meeting with then-First Lady Hillary Clinton about the bankruptcy bill.

Then-First Lady Hillary Clinton read it and asked for a meeting to discuss the bill and Warren’s research, which showed that it would disproportionately affect women and children. After the meeting, Mrs. Clinton went back to the White House and the Clinton Administration reversed its position on the bill. President Clinton eventually vetoed it, and in her autobiography, Hillary Clinton took credit for preventing the bankruptcy bill from passage.

Yet when Clinton became Senator, everything changed. When the bankruptcy bill came up again, she voted for it. Warren explained:

ELIZABETH WARREN: As Senator Clinton, the pressures are very different. It’s a well-financed industry. You know a lot of people don’t realize that the industry that gave the most money to Washington over the past few years was not the oil industry, was not pharmaceuticals. It was consumer credit products. Those are the people. The credit card companies have been giving money, and they have influence.

I think the lesson from this episode is not so much about the corruption of Hillary Clinton (although that's definitely part of it), but about our system's ability to corrupt all but a precious few. Some embrace this corruption enthusiastically. Others reluctantly make a deal with the Devil and then wake up one morning to find that they're no longer the courageous public servant they thought they were.

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