Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee - Wall Street Journal

[Viva_La_Revolution]

There is now more than a theoretical chance that Hillary Clinton may not be the Democratic nominee for president.

How could that happen, given that her nomination has been considered a sure thing by virtually everyone in the media and in the party itself? Consider the possibilities.

The inevitability behind Mrs. Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen.

More... http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898

[RobertEarl]

1. Somebody got to them

They actually tell the truth, finally!

Feeling the Bern, eh, WSJ?

[jakeXT]

3. They also mention Biden or Kerry /nt

[pacalo]

6. I'd like to see the reaction of Bernie's yuuuuge following

if they tried inserting anyone but Bernie as the nominee.

[RobertEarl]

7. Yuuuuge!

But I think it's the old soft sell. Give the establishment a bone, as it were. Get them to start thinking, hey, maybe we can move H aside?

But yeah, they will feel the Bern if they actually do try to shoehorn in someone who hasn't even been running.

[pacalo]

11. I'd be thrilled

if this were the case:

... it's the old soft sell. Give the establishment a bone, as it were. Get them to start thinking, hey, maybe we can move H aside

[RobertEarl]

13. It's up to the Super Delegates

Being as they are establishment, and the idea that H isn't gonna win is gonna go down hard, spreading a little establishment honey on the idea may get them to take their medicine?

[pacalo]

15. Even if Hillary weren't indicted, she has shown that

she's a walking target for an indictment; she cannot or will not follow rules or laws. People do not trust her.

On the other hand, Bernie is intelligent, personable, likeable, inspirational, he can handle the media well, he is a good person who wants to do the right thing, & he has motivated hundreds of thousands of new voters & independents to join the Democratic party.

I hope the superdelegates make the correct choice.

[RobertEarl]

16. We need to help them

They need to hear from us. Your words about Bernie make a good argument.

[jakeXT]

8. They think Warren as VP would calm them down /nt

[RobertEarl]

10. Warren could work

As long as she picks Bernie for VP.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

40. How about

Bernie picks HER for VP?

[pacalo]

12. After seeing Bernie work his behind off, I think there would be

quite an uproar if there were an attempt to replace him.

[winter is coming]

19. And they'd be wrong about that. n/t

[cui bono]

14. They try that and they piss away half the party.

And probably provoke a third party run by Bernie. There would be absolutely no reason for him to keep his word if they shun him like that when he has half the party behind him plus that many more independents.

They can kiss the presidency goodbye for several cycles with a stupid action like that.

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[LiberalElite]

31. It's owned by Murdoch so I'd say...no nt

[CentralMass]

2. Heads are spinning 360 degrees as we type.

[NJCher]

4. Damn paywall

I wanna' read this article!

Cher

[pacalo]

5. Me, too, dammit!

[Duckfan]

20. Me Three.

[pugetres]

22. Try using this google search link.

Just pick the top item under "In the News". It worked for me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Clinton+Might+Not+Be+the+Nominee&oq=Clinton+Might+Not+Be+the+Nominee&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[pacalo]

27. Thanks so much!

Good read -- except for the poker-faced presumption currently being hawked that Bernie Sanders, having campaigned virtually non-stop for a year, could be arbitrarily replaced by Joe Biden or John Kerry. Doesn't matter that Bernie is clearly the people's choice.

[bjo59]

26. I got in (after perusing on Reddit for instructions) by typing

"Wall Street Journal Clinton Nominee" into Google search. Then clicked on the first link that came up. I got in with no problem which I don't understand because I clicked on a link included in another post and was hit with the paywall.

[LiberalElite]

34. I just kept clicking on different

links till I got through. I do it all the time with paywalls. It often works. (pats self on back)

[LiberalElite]

32. I just PMd you pls read

[dana_b]

9. since most of us can't read it, do they talk about the

e-mail situation as being the primary reason for their thoughts?

[LiberalElite]

35. Someone posted

the whole thing downthread.

[LizetteWest]

17. I think the other side can sense what is coming, that is why they have spent every

minute of their life trying to silence us so there is not a big uproar when they try and slide someone else in there after the indictment.

[winter is coming]

18. Peering into my crystal ball...

I see a lot of cruciferous vegetables in DU's immediate future.

[hopemountain]

21. is this cross posted on the gd-p?

it should be.

pay wall.

[DiehardLiberal]

23. Here is the article.. edited and excerpted to comply with rules.

Last edited Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:12 AM - Edit history (2)

By DOUGLAS E. SCHOEN
May 31, 2016 6:31 p.m. ET
255 COMMENTS
There is now more than a theoretical chance that Hillary Clinton may not be the Democratic nominee for president.

How could that happen, given that her nomination has been considered a sure thing by virtually everyone in the media and in the party itself? Consider the possibilities.

The inevitability behind Mrs. Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen.

A recent PPIC poll shows Mrs. Clinton with a 2% lead over Mr. Sanders, and a Fox News survey found the same result. Even a narrow win would give him 250 pledged delegates or more—a significant boost. California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders, and the experience in recent open primaries has been that the Vermont senator tends to underperform in pre-election surveys and over-perform on primary and caucus days, thanks to the participation of new registrants and young voters.

To this end, data from mid-May show that there were nearly 1.5 million newly registered Democratic voters in California since Jan. 1. That’s a 218% increase in Democratic voter registrations compared with the same period in 2012, a strongly encouraging sign for Mr. Sanders.


Mr. Schoen served as a political adviser and pollster for President Bill Clinton, 1994-2000.

[840high]

24. ty

[LiberalElite]

33. .

Thanks for posting! I was too intimidated by the 4 para rule.

[DiehardLiberal]

38. I wasn't aware of such a rule - hardly ever post. Maybe I'll edit it. The article is out there now

anyway for those who couldn't get to it. Thanks!

[EdwardBernays]

25. If you'd like to read this - paywall etc

simply google the title of the article... for whatever reason WSJ articles tend to be readable via google searches, but not links... worked for me and almost always does with the WSJ.

[Lodestar]

28. More from the article:

According to Schoen, a loss for Clinton (in California) would not only demonstrate her weakness as a national candidate, but could also turn the tide of opinion in the embattled Democratic National Convention and among wavering “superdelegates” — party bigwigs with an independent vote.

Specifically, Schoen argues, Sanders could seize the opportunity to change the convention rules to force superdelegates to cast their ballot for whichever candidate won their state. (In many states, Sanders won delegates at the ballot box, only to lose to Clinton overall because of her superdelegate lead.)

In addition, he says, Vice President Joe Biden may be eager to enter the fray.

Schoen writes:

A Sanders win in California would powerfully underscore Mrs. Clinton’s weakness as a candidate in the general election. Democratic superdelegates—chosen by the party establishment and overwhelmingly backing Mrs. Clinton, 543-44—would seriously question whether they should continue to stand behind her candidacy.

There is every reason to believe that at the convention Mr. Sanders will offer a rules change requiring superdelegates to vote for the candidate who won their state’s primary or caucus. A vote on that proposed change would almost certainly occur—and it would function as a referendum on the Clinton candidacy. If Mr. Sanders wins California, Montana and North Dakota on Tuesday and stays competitive in New Jersey, he could well be within 200 pledged delegates of Mrs. Clinton, making a vote in favor of the rules change on superdelegates more likely…

Mr. Biden would be cast as the white knight rescuing the party, and the nation, from a possible Trump presidency. To win over Sanders supporters, he would likely choose as his running mate someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren who is respected by the party’s left wing.

In addition, Schoen writes, Clinton faces increasing pressure from the FBI investigation into her personal e-mail server and apparent conflicts of interest involving her family foundation and her performance as Secretary of State.

Schoen is a Fox News contributor, and has worked for the Clintons in the past.

[Lodestar]

29. If Biden enters the race it's only confirmation that the

establishment is unwilling to abide by the people's choice.
And I would resent and question Warren if she bought into
this charade.

[Depaysement]

30. Not a chance

Two candidates run, with all the physical and mental effort that entails, and they will both be pushed aside so someone who didn't make that effort or get any votes can simply stroll to the lecturn and accept the nomination? Come on now. If it's not Bernie it's Hillary or vice versa.

[LiberalElite]

36. Hey it worked so well in '68! Oh, wait.... nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. "Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California

primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen."

Ummmmm...it WILL HAPPEN. She's not going to win California or ND or SD or Montana or NM and may very well lose Puerto Rico.

She won't be the nominee and indictment will be recommended.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. I'm always curious when the WSJ writes like this