Bernie Sanders
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I've gone through a few of these election thingies here on DU. From the 2004 vote for a ham sandwich if it has a D because even a ham sandwich can beat shrub (fail) and the 2008 maelstrom. And the enjoyable Mittens implosion of 2012 with 47% and binders full of women. Though that first debate had me worried.
But I honestly think the coming "purge" won't be as expected. This season made it obvious that there are supporters on both sides (a small number support Bernie) who are just plain disrupters, poo slingers and generally unpleasant people. Passion can be shown without being an asshole.
The release of the kraken was the final chance for those of the passionate ways to act civil. One last benefit of the doubt when all hope of the self moderating system broke down completely.
Take a look at this ask the admins post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910488
My estimation is there are 40 core Bernie supporters, 30 core Clinton supporters and a few hundred Bernie leaning in the general population, going by recs on threads. Positive Bernie posts can see 250+ recs but positive Hillary get about 40. Look at the number of subscribers of the two groups. DU aligns platform wise closer to Bernie.
Which brings me back to the non-purge of 2016. Those who won't be civil will be gone. Those who make posts about supporting single payer, free public college with comments about how we wish Hillsry would support those and many issues will not. Those who say invading countries is not good for America and happen to point out which candidates stand are making an honest discussion post with hopes and aspirations that all candidates don't support immoral wars.
The existing terms of service and jury system will be thrown out and a new one installed. I think it will be more of a surprise for those militants on the other side to handle.
Please have some ;share and enjoy.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)If they are posted without negative comment or opinion and just show the facts.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)And not an election piece. It's news then.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)bash and there is a distinct pattern. I don't think it applies to truly factual information with a credible source.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)There was a post pointed out yesterday that had been hidden. This post was strictly an article detailing the results of a poll that found Hillary was not doing well on the trustworthy scale because of the email scandal. No opinion interjected, no negative commentary, just the article.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"no advocating for spoilers "
"some lost-cause third-party spoiler candidate"
Does pay-day loan advocate DWS primary challenger fall into this category?? I wonder...
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Assuming that HRC is the Democratic Party's choice for November. I will be tuning out the election cycle. I will certainly vote for down ticket offices and on local issues beyond that what I do in the voting booth is completely my business, what others do is up to them, what happens, happens.
Life is simply too short to be aggravated.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)are being the most obnoxious now (and I'm not talking about being a strong advocate for their candidate of choice; I'm talking about the people who habitually dance on the "should be alerted line" will be straining every nerve to be moderators. You know it, I know it, and Skinner knows it.
It seems like every time the admins make a change, the vast majority of DU makes a good-faith effort to comply even while grumbling about the change but there's a handful--and it's pretty much the same handful--who set about trying to find ways to game the rules. They're the ones hell-bent on utterly squelching things they don't approve it. It's not enough for them to simply stay out of certain groups or use trash thread or ignore: the things they don't like should not exist.
And I'm not sure how Skinner's really going to square that circle. If he sets up a team of moderators, or continues with MIRT (which has served a useful role in the past, IMO), I think he'll have to exclude some DUers from serving and enduring the endless complaining that will follow. If he bans people, a goodly number of them will simply come back as zombies and start all over again.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Admins going hands on; since they are being blamed for it, might as well do it. No moderators. So I expect the amount of alerts are manageable especially after the worst of the worst disrupters are gone....
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)lots and lots of questions were sitting there, unanswered, for days on end.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Yet some of those are the ones Skinner forgave time and time again.
So I doubt your scenario will be a reality.
this place is as corrupted as the democratic party.
Many good forums mods have been taken over by the same gang.
There will be banishments just like they have banished good posters lately and didn't forgive them like he did
the the gang of assholes.
I will probably move on
nothing lasts forever.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Since they can't be reversed that was really the only option. When the changes go in June 16th I expect different results; posters just being gone since some are incapable of being civil.
They will have Discussionist unlike in the past.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The Hillary Clinton group obviously continued after Obama was nominated and wasn't shut down.
Juries are going away so posts won't be arbitrarily hidden if someone capriciously decides it has some hidden meaning.
Skinner's made it clear he believes Trump is an unprecedented threat. I have to assume that means he's going to take a harder line on any post that has a whiff of negativity. Does that include this group? I don't know.
Right now there's a lack of clarity imo.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)to show their butts will get it yet again when we go into general election season.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)I can see the reasoning on it, bad hides in broken system so unfair, but it will be for everyone.
I honestly think those in the 20+ hide range can't help themselves and will not last long.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)GDP got so much uglier when they let everybody out of "time out".
Paulie
(8,462 posts)That's why I'm stocking up on for the future.