The primary election is not over until a candidate is nominated at the Convention.

[JDPriestly]

Websites that end the primary election discussions and campaigning prior to that time are influencing the outcome of the Convention's votes.

If no candidate has enough convention pledged delegate votes without the votes of the super delegates to win on the first ballot, it is wrong to pretend that the primary is over.

That goes for DU, for Daliy Kos and for all Democratic website.

I understand that the owners of websites can do what they want.

But the reality is that no candidate has won the Democratic nomination until the voting at the Convention has taken place and the candidate is officially chosen.

I remember many Conventions when I was a child in which the candidate was not elected on the first vote. There was a custom that states would place a "favorite son" candidate up and vote for that candidate as a sort of honorary vote and then on a second ballot vote for the actual presumptive candidate.

This year, the super delegates' votes have to actually be cast at the convention, and until that happens, we may not really have a nominee.

The Democratic machine wants to declare Hillary the nominee before the balloting at the Convention takes place. That is only appropriate if she actually has enough pledged delegates to definitely win on the first vote at the Convention. Super delegates should not count until they actually have voted.

[winter is coming]

1. +1. No one should be too hasty when it comes to declaring the nominee

with an FBI investigation still going on out there. Not only is it possible that the superdelegates will change their support, I'd say it's likely. We're still almost two months away from the convention, and I very much doubt that Hillary's email problem will do anything except grow larger.

[highprincipleswork]

2. All this is just about as on the level as changing Obama's rules to let lobbyists and Republican

donors fund the Democratic National Convention and to sit as well on committees.

What a Democratic Party!

With this kind of Democratic Party, I am very content to have Bernie fight on as long as he possibly can. And I will be right there with him.

[grasswire]

3. but according to HRC, even PLEDGED delegates can change their mind!

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For the second time in three days, Sen. Hillary Clinton told reporters that the pledged delegates awarded based on vote totals in their state are not bound to abide by election results.

Sen. Hillary Clinton lags behind Sen. Barack Obama in the popular vote and in pledged delegates.

It's an idea that has been floated by her or a campaign surrogate nearly half a dozen times this month.

Sen. Barack Obama leads Clinton among all Democratic delegates, 1,622 to 1,485, in the latest CNN count. Among pledged delegates, Obama leads Clinton 1,413 to 1,242.

"Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose," Clinton told Time's Mark Halperin in an interview published Wednesday.
"We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment," she said.

Clinton's remarks echoed her Monday comments to the editorial board of the Philadelphia Daily News.

"And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged," she said Monday. "You know there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates."

Clinton also made similar comments in a Newsweek interview published two weeks ago.

[pokerfan]

5. What a difference eight years makes

[grasswire]

12. some people will say anything to suit their own interests, eh. nt

[99th_Monkey]

4. Here here!! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Exactly and

the disingenuousness of it all is people declaring her the nominee WHILE SHE HAS TWO FBI INVESTIGATIONS and INDICTMENT hanging over her head and the campaign AND she's waaaaaay behind Bernie in GE polls AND Bernie will most likely win California, ND, SD, Montana, NM and possibly Puerto Rico...He will have all the momentum going into the convention. Skinner and Marcos are doing the bidding of the DNC and will have a coronation for the non-nominee to silence Bernie supporters.

Thankfully we have Reddit we can go to. Bernie's sub-Reddit is great. It's loaded with information, the queen 👑 is NOT worshipped there and you can say pretty anything you want about the queen 👑 without being censored - like DU and Daily Kos....where BOTH owners want the queen 👑 to be the nominee. And Skinner just declaring she IS the nominee after June 16...makes him no better than MSNBC who plans to do the same on June 7...even though the Super Delegates don't vote until JULY 25. It's that thumb on the scale thing...Oligarchs doing what they do....silencing the 99%. This place really should change its name. It's laughable now.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE <------------ THE NEXT POTUS!

[deepestblue]

7. Bernie

As we've seen time and time again in this election, the more the media tries to stifle enthusiasm for Bernie's campaign, the stronger his support becomes.

It's been happening this whole time.

And just look at the vibrancy in California at this late date in the primary.

So the more they stifle, the stronger Bernie gets.

Stifle away!

[davidpdx]

8. Skinner made it clear that Hillary will be the nominee

[Major Hogwash]

9. Skinner acts like he is upset, maybe he wasn't invited to this year's Dem National Convention.

That's all I can think of, concerning what Skinner said about his post stating that he wanted to end most, if not all, of the political discussions about the two Democratic Party candidates on his message board before the convention.

Skinner didn't do that in 2008.
Back in 2008, he allowed several former DU members to trash then-Senator Obama even after the November election!
And clear in to 2009!
For several weeks, long after Obama had been sworn in as President of these United States.
Skinner's comments regarding President Obama since 2009 have been rather milquetoast when it comes to his support of President Obama.

Something I also noticed is that not all of Hillary's aides are going to have to testify to the FBI before mid-June.
So, there could be a huge paradigm shift between the end of June and late July, the time appointed for the Democrats to hold our convention.

On top of all that, I think there is a lot of angst right now among a lot of the super delegates concerned by the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton.

In my state, the Idaho State Democratic Party Chairman has announced that since he was automatically selected to be a super delegate -- by virtue of his position within the state's party -- that he is going to support Bernie Sanders at the convention because the majority of people here voted for Bernie in an overwhelming fashion.

However, at the same time, one of the other super delegates who was also automatically selected, has stated that she intends to support Hillary -- against the people's wishes of the very state she is supposed to be representing at the Convention -- based on some whimsical notion she has that "Hillary can get things done."

As a result, Idaho State's delegation to the national convention will be made up approximately of 75% of the pledged delegates and super delegates who will support Bernie Sanders for President.
With the remaining 25% of the other delegates supporting Hillary.

I wouldn't worry about it much, I think Skinner will probably change his mind if there is not a definitive nominee by the end of the primary season.

[pokerfan]

13. Animal Farm was right...

[LiberalElite]

10. Kicking nt

[hopemountain]

11. k & r! thanks, jdpriestly nt