Where will I go? - THIS POST WAS LOCKED IN GD:P

[FourScore]

What the hell has happened to this place? This post, that I posted in GDP last night, got locked. WHY??? Check out the link. It had a poll. Maybe they didn't like the results of my poll. I'm stunned. I can't believe this post got locked.

Where will I go?

I have been with DU since the stolen election of 2004. I will probably leave with the stolen primary of 2016.

The purged voters, the changed party affiliations, the electronic machines, Bill's electioneering at the polls, the closed polling places, the DNC with an agenda, the computer firewall, the biased media, the exit polls that are "off" time and time again - always in Hillary's favor...yet, so few Hillary supporters show any concern or sympathy or compassion for these "anomalies". I do not fault Hillary for these things. She has a campaign to run, but SOMEBODY is rigging this election, and we all know it.

As "THE DATE" of the big DU change keeps getting thrown into our faces, and super delegates are counted with pledged before they've voted (even here at DU), and the media arrogantly claims they will call Hillary the winner by 5:00pm on Tuesday, I am compelled to ask -- where will I go?

Recently, I have posted information on why I DON'T want Hillary, why I think the democratic party should not support Hillary, but I have never personally attacked a Hillary supporter nor mocked them. During this entire process, I have not once put anyone on ignore, because I do not want to live in a vacuum - people disagree, sometimes vehemently. Nevertheless, I have been shocked by the kind of attacks I have received from the other side. The level of anger, the amount of mockery, combined with the constant spiking of the ball during blatant election "shenanigans" -- it has been all too much for me.

I do not know if I can vote for Hillary in the general election anymore. Not because of DU - although the most ardent Hillary supporters here are actually hurting her chances more than they are helping - but because of myriad reasons that I need not repeat in this post; we all know them. Unfortunately, here at DU, when I say I cannot vote for Hillary, I am accused of supporting Trump. I am told that I cannot allow a Trump presidency to occur, therefore I must vote for Hillary. In what world does one deduce from my non-vote (or my possible write-in of Bernie) that I am supporting Trump? If I cannot bring myself to vote for her in good conscience, then that is not MY fault if she loses. It is the establishment that has created a situation where that can happen. THEY have promoted a flawed candidate, for I, alone, am simply not that important. If she loses, then the masses feel as I do, and we all collectively cannot bring ourselves to support Hillary. The masses can never be blamed for the outcome, for in a democracy, they matter most. When a group in power ignores those masses, it could be to their peril, as history has shown us many times.

Traditionally in an election, independent voters are the ones a candidate wants in order to win. Somehow, in this democratic primary, they are toxic, they are the problem, they should not be allowed to play ball with the democrats during their game. Everyone knows, it is the independents who decide elections in this country, yet I am watching as the democrats are telling them all to basically fuck off. That doesn't bode well for the democrats. Not at all.

I do not know if I will stay at DU, and I feel very sad about this revelation. This has been my favorite place to visit on the internet every day since 2004. I tried to stick with Dailykos after kos made his change. I tried to see the sensibility of it. Instead, what I saw was a purging of great posters and an ever-increasing vapid echo chamber. At the point kos began posting disgusting false diaries about Bernie being racist and supporting violence, I could no longer participate. I am not alone. It's not unusual to see a post with 90 recommends near the top of the recommended list. I remember when that number would be near a thousand. Will DU also descend into such a sad shell of its former self?

Where will I go?

I have things to do in my own life. Goals to achieve. I hope I will immerse myself in these quests of self-actualization. Maybe over time I will find my way back to DU. I do not know.

As for alternative websites, jackpineradicals is growing, but it, too, is another echo-chamber. Of course, it is an echo chamber for my guy, but I never wanted an echo chamber. I wanted fair.

I guess that's the bottom line of this meandering post. I have been searching for fairness and wisdom. It's in short order these days.

Where will I go?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512135265

[islandmkl]

1. i don't know the answer...but you won't be alone...

hell, i would almost be happy if HRC would just say 'for only four years'...almost...

this merry-go-round needs to be stopped, because it is beyond obvious that it is not going to stop itself....

[TBF]

2. That's how I feel FourScore

I guess it will have to be Twitter for me, at least for the short term.

I think what we are experiencing is how so many people in this country feel. Our voices do not matter.

[Jackilope]

3. Jackpine Radicals?

If HRC is nominee, the day following the convention I register Independent. Bernie's run has pulled back the curtain so we can truly see that both sides are corrupt. I am not giving up the fight, but I sure as hell do not recognize or want to be associated with Third Way Clintonism.

[FourScore]

4. I am already visiting there every day. Just not positive it's the place for me yet. n/t

[carolinayellowdog]

5. "never wanted an echo chamber"

The problem with a forum defined by unswerving loyalty to a single candidate for a party's nomination is that it is thereby even more confining than one devoted to loyalty to a single party, if one is an Independent. But after November maybe Independent progressives will find discussion opportunities that are more, well, independent as existing fora will get away from "Primary Wars" limits on allowable remarks.

[FourScore]

6. Can you identify what may have gotten this blocked in GDP?

The reason given was "disruptive meta", and we are not allowed to complain about DU and its members. What??

[carolinayellowdog]

10. complaining about DU and its members is perfectly OK

if you're dissing the majority that support Bernie. If not, it is disruptive to the metamorphosis planned for the coming days-- I guess.

[Gregorian]

7. They're disappearing threads at a high rate.

The thought of their own fraudulent thinking is threatening their worlds.

I posted a piece by a secret service agent who spent years with the Clintons, yesterday. It's the most revealing article about the Clintons that I've read. It's damning. She's a monster. The Hillbots alerted it, and it was hidden. But the supporting juror comments were tellling. They stated how important the information was. I was told it was the source. I knew the two sources were bs. Daily Mail.

However, the same thing was posted one post above mine, but an Amazon link to the book. I did some searching, and that thread was alerted on too.

They can't handle the truth.

Furthermore, this place is now just another cheapo forum. Meaningless other than to get news. It saddens me. I grew up here. I respected many of these people. Now they're just sleepwalkers to me. Sorry.

So it's off to better pastures where we can be productive, and get the corrupt out of office. It's happening. The only thing this fraud of an election will do (if she isn't indicted) is postpone what actually has happened during this election- to elect a true progressive Democrat. We intend to take this party back to it's rightful place, and not hijacked by repubs and misguided Dems.

[KPN]

8. You expressed my thoughts and feelings perfectly FourScore.

Though I haven't been a member here at DU nearly as long, and only recently -- within the last year or so started actually posting to the forums. Thank you for that -- especially the part about being blamed for Trump -- you stated that really well.

As for where to go? How about Philadelphia in late July?

A final thought: I am optimistic that things are going to improve from a progressives standpoint in the longer term. It may not seem that way right now, but I truly believe people (the masses) are moving in the right direction. The key for all of us who see the dangers in a Hillary presidency is to NOT LET THEM DISCOURAGE US -- that's what they want (quick aside: I paused in choosing that word -- dangers; but that's really what this about for me so I went with it).

Peace, good luck, and hope you find a great place to go.

[FourScore]

9. Thank you, KPN. Sadly, I am booked during the dates of the convention.

Still, this is such a sweet response.

I will say, where ever I go, I would be happy if you were there.

[undergroundpanther]

11. I don't know if I will stay after the election

Seeing the future of censorship. The hill bots getting to dictate
What can and cannot be posted here. The rejection of anyone who's
not a third way sellout I'm not sure I could stand hanging around here.
The type of people that would gravitate to this site would become
Unbearable.sickening. so where would I go?
I don't know.

[Jack Rabbit]

12. See you at JPR

Where the revolution shall be discussed openly.

[trudyco]

13. Yep. It's a safe space, and you can always interact in other places if you feel you

aren't getting enough debate. It's about Bernie but it's really about a progressive agenda and where the progressives go from here. That's regardless of the election.

There are multiple investigations going on.
There's a lawsuit over election fraud against the MSM going on.
There's the TPP emails to be released.
There's a down ticket agenda that needs to be made: how to find people, how to train them, how to support them.

Lot's of things that will need people's input and viewpoints and, yes, disagreements.
But no Snark. No twisted logic. No Narrative of the Day.

[Babel_17]

14. It's counter productive to try to suppress posts like that

This tendency by some to do so says somethings about them. "Ineffective" is one of those things. In so far as they reflect the administration that would be likely from their candidate, it's more cause to oppose her.