This place has definitely turned for the worse today.

[Phlem]

It is time to exercise restraint whenever we see something idiotic and unfounded and with no traceable data.

It's a fool's roost around here and anything said otherwise get's a hide.

Careful my friends.

In the words of Blue Oyster Cult, "I'm bernin for you".

Have a great day ya'll, get out and enjoy the sunshine.

[Drum]

1. +1

[QC]

2. Shocking, isn't it, that chronic disruptors

would disrupt even more when the site owner tells them there will be no consequences for disruption?

Who could possibly have anticipated this?

[truebrit71]

5. I know, right?

Utterly shocking....

[QC]

7. And the person who told the chronic disruptors

that they could freely disrupt professes to be devastated by the ugly turn that this place has taken.

Hmmmm.

[truebrit71]

20. It beggars belief...

[QC]

22. Many things lately do.

As I said below, the jury system was the greatest invention since oral sex until it suddenly became a terrible, horrible thing right about the time that the Million Dollar Troll Army was established.

Hmmmm.

[truebrit71]

24. I especially loved the "there nothing I can do about it" mantra..because you know, as the site Admin

....he was completely handcuffed....

[QC]

25. He HAD to keep throwing one lifeline after another

to people with decade-long histories of disruption and fifteen, twenty, and even twenty-five hides!

He just had to!

[CanonRay]

3. Today???

It's been nasty and snarky for months. I try to stay out of the primary forums...too many rude people.

[Phlem]

8. I hear ya.

Today I pointed out an obvious troll and got a hide. So........yea.

Joined in April almost 1500 posts with 5 hides. But because it was a Hillary supporter, well you know.

There was a large influx in the last 3 months leading up to June of "New" members. Started in March but the large drop seemed to be April and tapered off in May.

They all say the same inane non nonsensical, glaringly illogical amateurish things. One of them had near a 900 posts in the 3 days since he had joined and they very from there. I've been here 10 + years and post almost everyday and I'm only up 6000+, and to me, getting near 1/6th of my total post count in 3 days seems extreme.



First one I saw I looked up the join date and posts count. it was April. Since then, every one that fit that profile (logically challenged to put it very mildly) joined in April with large post counts and full limit on hides. I was lining them up in a row and it took no effort. It's like they're carrying around red flashing signs.

Everytime I called them out I got crickets, same as today.

It was the jury that was just,........there are no words.

[VulgarPoet]

9. That happened to me as well

That was approximately the point I realized that Skinner likely didn't give a half a damn.

[Phlem]

10. Spot On.

[Raster]

11. don't make the mistake of thinking this is a bastion of Democratic progressives...

...it is not. The owner and operators were pro HRC from the git-go.

I am thrilled to death that a woman is the nominee of the Democratic Party, but not thrilled that it is this woman, whom I believe is far more of an enlightened Republican than a Progressive Democrat.

I do not believe this primary season was in the least bit fair, and find it amazing that many of the same persons that called FOUL in 2008 at the obvious shenanigans were just fine with the same tactics this primary. I further find it amazing that some of us that screamed the loudest in 2000 and 2004 seem to have lost our voices -and our integrity- in 2016.

I believe that Clinton has been positioning herself to run since she left the White House. I find it absolutely amazing that so many "Democrats" would be fine with the obvious in-your-face influence peddling.

I believe the Democratic National Committee had walled itself to make sure no outsiders (read: anyone not proscribing to DLC/Third Way policies) would be able to get a foothold and change the system, and I am further amazed that so many on a seemingly Democratic message board would be OK with that.

[VulgarPoet]

12. Yeeeeeeeeeeeah I made that mistake once.

Never again. You know what they say, fool me once...

[Raster]

13. And I might add, Bernie Sanders was not the perfect candidate...

...and you know, that's fine. I don't worship at the altar of Bernie, nor am I enveloped in the Sanders mystique. But I do appreciate this 74-year old man had the courage to stand up and say "we need to move in a different direction."

Thank you, Senator Sanders.

[Phlem]

16. No politician will ever be perfect

and they certainly should never be treated like rock stars.

We pay their salary, they work for the us, the people, they are employees and I fucking hate it when people treat them otherwise.

Your right. He's in a club of very few people that honestly tried to stand up against the system and truly help the population. He has my respect and vote for that.

Still not a rock star, just a very good man with integrity.

[Raster]

18. I could not agree more, just a very good man with integrity.

In my crazy-ass almost 60 years, I have been privy to some amazing people, places and things. I am intimately familiar with the star-fucker personae, having tried that one out myself. Rock and roll may come and go, but politics is power. And the political star-fuckers and groupies are a world completely unto themselves. Ronnie Raygun and his sycophants forever changed the rules and not necessarily for the better. Bill Clinton came along and said: we know that tune. And now, we have wife-of-Bill, and that circle is coming to completion. I am NOT a fan of dynastic politics... it smacks far too much of genetic entitlement and royal-wannabe arrogance.

[QC]

23. I've only had four posts hidden since 2011,

when DU3 started.

Two of those four hides were for saying that a documented anti-Semite is an anti-Semite.

[Phlem]

31. Wow. That's amazing.

Apparently I'm not very good at keeping my cool.

[pangaia]

30. I got a 5-2 hide yesterday for a one sentence post calling HRC supporters.....

ready for this ?......................



children...



WTF??

[Phlem]

32. Yea that's exactly what I'm saying.

It's like we're the only one's that notice it but you know that's not the case.

[Duval]

4. K&R.

[RoccoR5955]

6. Damn right!

I don't care. I shall not exercise restraint. Any attacks by them shall be met with equal if not more force.
I don't care if they hide me. I don't give a damn if they boot me either. DU is NOT the only game in town.

[Phlem]

14. Just juried another post.

The influx of "New" supporters have tipped the jury system to favor guess who.

Be careful kids. Today's a good day to play outside because there's nothing that can be done here.

I've been here a long time and it's time for me to go "Underground" and lurk.

They have not won the war, that's for damn sure. I am fully participating in the new movement till my last breath.

Bernie's and the nation's new true liberal, socially responsible Democrats will snowball into a large monster after this election and I'm going to do all I can to keep her at 1 term and vote in any politician that see's Bernie's vision.

At least the light has illuminated the roaches in the Democratic party, that's the first step to change.

Solidarity!

-p

[QC]

26. Did you notice that many (most?) Bernie people

were taken out of the jury pool right in time for the arrival of those "new" members?

There are so many puzzling things going on lately.

[Phlem]

33. Apparently, not so puzzling for some of us.

I know right? It's like they think we're 9. They pull stupid shit in front of us then stare at us to check and see if we notice.

WTF?

[QC]

36. I appreciate the somewhat greater openness this time, though.

Last time the management was every bit as much in the tank for Obama as they are for Clinton now, but they maintained this really insulting pretense that everything was on the level.

That was worse.

[senz]

15. I'm rather enjoying their ugliness. It tells me who they are and why they don't matter.

They have taunted, ridiculed, jeered at, insulted and demeaned Bernie Sanders and his supporters, unrelentingly, for a year. They never engage in meaningful conversation. They use words only as weapons.

Their behavior speaks volumes about the candidate they support. She is an elitist whose history demonstrates an addiction to power with no respect for rules and no empathy for other human beings.

Even after their candidate was given a "win" and a final fraudulent primary day by the establishment, they cannot find it within themselves to be gracious, because it's simply not in them.

They are still operating in swarm mode, a sick example of group mind.

They are going to pull DU down. Normal people will go elsewhere.

[Phlem]

17. I say let them take DU down.

I honestly think this is not a healthy place for actual left liberals.

This place has never supported that type to the degree Hillary is getting support.

When I railed on Obama for being Thirdway I got a facefull and still do. It's like I'm making this shit up or something.

He freely admitted it to the public several times but fans wanted to worship instead.

So yea, I'm in full agreement with you.

I fully believe something better will come from this for us, but not just yet.

[senz]

19. Just served on a jury that HID a calm, polite, eloquent statement of political opposition.

They are trying to propel this site forward to the full censorship of June 16th. I was juror #1

On Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:07 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

It ain't over
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512158318

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Advocating against the Democratic nominee and the Democratic Party in violation of the TOS

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:14 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter fails to understand that DUers are allowed to express contrary views until the 16th.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Skinners not enforcing that rule until the 16th. In the meantime he has said every body needs time to get the primary "out of their system." See his thread today in the announcement forum about how DU will work after the 16th. Leaving this post.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A long-winded way of saying "TOMBSTONE ME NOW, SKINNER!"
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Violates TOS

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[QC]

21. But, of course, it's only the Bernie folk who use the jury system

to silence others!!!!

Did anyone else notice how Skinner insisted for well over three years that there was no such thing as alert stalking, even people when people showed him screenshots of DUers (hosts and MIRT members, no less) coordinating alerts on an outside site, but he then decided that the jury system was a monstrosity right when it resulted in too many Hillary superfanz getting suspended?

Hmm.

[Mike__M]

27. I was on that one too

I agreed with that OP 100%. Hers was one of my favorite voices here. I started to add "I'm with her (not Her)" as my comment, but deleted it; wish I had left it.

[blackspade]

29. Fuck, that was hidden?

WTH?

[Phlem]

34. Fuck.

[riderinthestorm]

38. I love Rebkeh. There's a real effort to shut down her AA pro-Bernie voice

She's taken enormous grief along with noiretextatique, TM99 and other AA voices here on DU because they don't fit into the DU AA, pro-Hillary established memes.

This hide is racist bullshit imo.

Fuck that shit hiding a strong, feminine, AA, pro-Bernie voice.

If this is what DU has come to...

[Trajan]

28. Focus as best as you can on the future

Bernie isn't going away ...

Tens of millions of young people who understand the disaster this election has been for them ... They aren't going away ...

There will be more young people in four years, and less older people ... The balance will tip in favor of Progressivism, if the current trends continue ...

Let's help it continue ....Bernie has a huge role to play, no matter what happens in Philadelphia ...

Keep the faith, brother and sister ... We will get there ...

[Phlem]

35. Amen!

You know it! The future I see for our children scares the bejeezus out of me. I can't not do anything, especially for my own child.

Nope not gonna quit, ever!

[Raster]

37. I am 59 years old, and one of the most awesome things about Senator Sanders candidacy...

...is the awareness he's brought of our country and our world and the issues we all face. Another wonderful thing is that Senator Sanders has helped bring younger people into the process and helped them realize you do have a voice and the future does indeed belong to you.

Bless your hearts. Thank you, Bernie!