Speculating

[Rosa Luxemburg]

My husband and I were just talking about Bernie and the way forward. We are delighted that he is taking it to the convention. We were also trying to figure out how Bernie and others could hold her to the fire after the convention so that agreed progressive policies (that benefit the majoity of people) would be adhered to. It is likely that during the general campaign that she will wriggle out and become the Goldwater Girl again. Then we thought about it more. We figured that if Bernie is the running mate and subsequently the VP (he is NOT a yes man) he would rein in any galloping to the right. Not only for the presidential but also down ticket. What we thought might be a very quiet election for us might have possibilities. The way to transform a party is within and if you are on the inside it is much easier. Also you have the excited base that supported Bernie energized to go into the general election. For many on either side it will be a hard pill to swallow but with Bernie on board. I think there is something there.

[sarge43]

1. If and if

Clinton would never let Sanders inside and she wouldn't have to. A VP has only as much extra constitutional power as the president would be willing to grant. If there would be any co-POTUS, it would be Bill. She's said as much.

[RoccoR5955]

4. Isn't Billy Ray Joe Bob Clinton her VP?

just wondering.

[Cassiopeia]

2. No.

Bernie as VP would make him less effective than full retirement even.

There's nothing that can be done. The country is changing from a slow drift right to a hard right turn on Jan 20th. With Hillary we'll have endless scandal, real or fake. With Trump, hell I don't even want to think about what that brings.

Fuck it. We go right. Maybe things get bad fast enough that the majority finally wake up and decide to fight for change.

[n2doc]

3. Just like Obama chose Biden, HRC's vp will be another corporate Dem

HRC's health issues would preclude having Bernie that close to the presidency. It would be like McKinley/T Roosevelt.

They will pick a younger corpo-Dem who can be relied upon to continue the Third Way in the event that HRC has a major health issue in the next 4 or 8 years.

[2banon]

5. The Goldwater Girl is not waiting until the Convention

She's already wooing her GOP acolytes and their leaders, most importantly the Bush Fam.

As to the question of her vp pick, anything other than a corporatist, no matter gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, (equal opportunity), would be headline news if it weren't for the fact that the corporate media will no doubt make all the other politically calculated identity qualifiers, the headline news. Corporatist or Wall Street insider, might garner a big yawn, if that. Rumors of a Warren pick are interesting, but that will be seen as cynical play to defang Warren's advances as a strong reformer in the Senate, which we desperately need.

On your point with fighting on to the convention, YES.

Election results in California are not completed and remains fluid regardless of the sore "winners" decrying it's all over.

As to adherences to platform positions we might advance, she will forget them the minute she steps off the platform.

But we will fight on!

It is NOT over yet.

[HereSince1628]

6. You can't trust promises, everything must be contingent on continued performance.

that's the path to the GE for Sanders and after the GE with whatever progressive allies will exist in Congress

She stays the course or the Progressives get real stingy with their support.

And that will come to voters as the 2018 midterm approaches. If the dems aren't being true to their promises they get seriously primaried wherever necessary.

That's working inside politics. It works best when you've got a critical amount of influence, but that's the model.

Never pay everything up front. Pay as you go on the basis of well performed work.

[splat]

7. The Goldwater Girl was 16 years old

The Wellesley faculty in the '60s aimed to radicalize young women, and rightly so.

Hillary graduated with a fiery, progressive valedictory, and learned in Arkansas that she could not stay a hippie and be effective.

If Bernie were younger, perhaps he too would do whatever he had to in order to get into a position to enact the policies he could no longer publicly espouse. (He'd have somebody else say them, and as the country liked them, he could move towards them himself.)

But Bernie is old. Some follower will have to do that.

Hillary is finally almost in a position to enact the policies she can't public espouse yet.

This is how it works.