Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWhat does Bernie Vote For & Against in the Senate? Here's "Total Voting Record in the U.S. Senate"
Senator Sanders "On the Issues:" His "Total Voting Record in the U.S. Senate" from "On the Issues" Website:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Bernie_Sanders.htm
This is a great resource going forward that Sander's Supporters can go to for reference when "Policy Issues" come up and a Friend/Family Member asks you his position or when the MSCorporate Media or his Opponents start to put out misinformation/disinformation and you need a quick reference.
CHECK IT OUT and see what you think!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Lots to digest there
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)keep posting that shows Hillary to be the 8th or 9th most liberal Senator?
They keep throwing it around as if it meant something.
Bernie ranks 32 on it, and DiFi is 26.
Edited to add--Wow, there is a lot of data on that site. Thanks!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)All kinds of stuff being thrown around. I like this site because it shows the REAL Voting Record! Just do the search for Hillary, Kucinich and anyone else who has served in Senate.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Bernie_Sanders.htm
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I googled this but I keep coming up with the link you just gave.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Do a comparison with the HRC bills list. Bernie has a clear focus on helping regular people.
Hillary bounced around a lot - many of her bills were renaming US Post Office branches, and the like - it's not at all clear from the bills she introduced exactly what she thinks is important.
HRC: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357#sponsor=300022
Bernie: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357
Would like to hear what others think about this comparison.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)you will find that it was very hard to get anything as Left as Bernie or Dennis Kucinich in the US House passed with the DLC/Third Way in concert on the Dem side with the RW Repubs.
Even Obama with his Huge Election Momentum has been unable to do much. Neither was Hillary. You'd have to go Way Back to find a large coalition of Dem Senators who aren't Center/Right who would join with Repubs for Compromise.
But, Bernie sponsored much legislation and tried to support his other Dem Senators who were also trying to post Amendments to stall Repub Legislation or to Modify the worst parts of it.
The RW has put out smears that Bernie didn't get ANY legislation passed. They said the same thing about Dennis Kucinich to make it seem like he didn't accomplish anything...but, the fact is that if Obama encountered the same obstructions...then you can understand that "Those Who Try" are outnumbered by the PTB on both the Left and the Right.
Good Luck on your search....but, "On the Issues" shows where Bernie is on Issues. And, that while his Votes chould change what he wanted to....he STILL TRIED and TOOK HIS TIME to even FILIBUSTER.
So....check him out...and see if you agree and do a search for Hillary or others on the "On the Issues" website to see what you think about how they voted.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)was the target of such deceptive tactics. In fact, his record was about average as far as actually getting a bill to the floor. I think he got 3.
But his record on sponsoring good bills was better than average.
And the bills he proposed himself SHOULD have been supported by Democrats. The fact that they were not is 'shame on THEM' not on him.
I had that info bookmarked to counter that particular smear.
They will use it again, no doubt against Bernie.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)but, got a Push Back on the thread.
Thanks for the support that they did it to Kucinich and anyone to try to go after Left Dems as somehow some kind of Grand Standers when they Ignore that Obama's supporters had the same experience with DINO DEMS joining Repugs in stopping "Progressive Caucus" Bills, Amendments.
Anyway...thanks.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)The poster refused to acknowledge, but I'm hoping people see that Bernie's record stands on its own.
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record
Rated 93% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record
KoKo
(84,711 posts)many of us here have those people as Friends and Family... I sympathize. BUT...who knows...some of them can be swayed going forward. If we can make it clear how their lives are affected. The wealthy will never see it...but, hopefully what's still there of the fading Middle Class are waking up seeing how their lives have changed for the worse in the past few decades.
Thanks for checking it out. At least it's facts to the fiction that Faux News Fans will try to spew out along with CNN and the Networks.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)They don't have their minds already made up. They don't think politics is a cynical game and they don't have a team yet. So they look at what he has to say and it inspires them. Reading the Reddit threads of people registering to vote for the first time in their lives--some 18 some 40--just to vote for Bernie gives me hope. We have to get the word out as much as possible.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Thom Hartmann and others are viewed by those who "Cut Cable" and depend on their choice views over the Internet.
This is a big change since Obama ran in 2008 and used Internet as his chief campaign communications.
Today...it's moved further with less and less of us watching MSM and finding OTHER sources for our News Media.
I think there may be young people who know more about Bernie than their MSM watching Parents and Others do.
It will BE INTERESTING for sure...to see if the "Older Guy's Voice" got heard by a new generation of voters along with the rest of us who got sick of the crap with endless commercials who cut our cords to MSM, also.
But, then...perhaps I'm Over Enthusiastic......thinking we could have an "inter-generational" Movement to Elect Bernie Sanders who seems so "Renegade" for Our Times.
Who Know. Just gotta keep on working.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)The biggest questions right now on reddit are
1) How do I vote in the primaries
2) Caucus? What the hell is that?
I wrote on there about the caucuses, that Obama used them brilliantly to keep up with Clinton on delegates. That is a very important thing to educate about and I hope Bernie has a good ground game for it because HRC will NOT be caught flat-footed again.
And then there is the O'Malley question. I feel that he will splinter off votes from Bernie as an HRC alternative. Once Edwards dropped out of the race, Obama started a long string of primary wins. The Sanders campaign also has to keep that in mind.
Then there are the important endorsements which at this time seem to be Elizabeth Warren and Moveon. Reddit is trying to get a tweet campaign to encourage Warren and I think we should get on board with that. Imagine a President Bernie and a Senate Majority Leader Warren! She would be doing us all a favor by campaigning with Bernie and it would be a perfect fit. They're working on the TPP right now together, so I hope they are having some private conversations. The Party will be of no help and will actively block Bernie every chance they get because he doesn't bring in the big money and he won't make "deals."
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I've posted a few times that I could see Warren "Stumping" for a Bernie Candidacy. And how Wonderful that would be! Warren does the Wall Street Reform (she knows her stuff) and Bernie carries the Rest. What a Tag Team.
I always thought Warren would be a Senator with a Voice for Change/Challenge in the Senate and I had her as my Signature to Run and am a member of the "EW GROUP" here on DU. But, she knew she didn't have the Foreign Policy Experience to run...(and we are embroiled in endless wars in MENA) and that really wasn't her expertise to try to run with out that experience.
I have hope she and Bernie can Work Together through to Primary and be the Voice for those of us left out...and go on to Win.
But...then the "PTB" will put up a Huge Fight with their Corporate Owned Resources.
Still....it's wonderful Bernie is running and Elizabeth has such a huge following. We on the Left will give it our best shot. If we don't win...it still means many more will be INFORMED....and for the other generations ...it's important to do this... CHOICES.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I'm really hoping she can see clearly that her voice is important. If she believes--and I think she does--in what she says, her choice is pretty clear. She's been standing up to the leader of the party in the press, so I think she has guts enough to tell the party mandarins to take a flying leap.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Sat May 2, 2015, 09:10 PM - Edit history (1)
to deal with our disastrous Foreign Policy in MENA. But, she has that "Speak Truth to Power" Spirit that Bernie has.
Not scripted by "Think Tanks" and the other MIC Speak that the others are. The "Speak" even took over Obama. Look at how he expresses himself these days. Like sometimes out of a Military Manuel on talking about "Ground Actions, Drones...etc."
I don't think Bernie would be intimidated by them.....but...he needs his OWN CREW. That's yet to be seen who will support him when the MIC is holding all the cards and strings these days. Stilll...one hopes that there are those in MIC who will break with the "Think Tanks" and the MIC and Wall Street Corporate rest and stand up for truth.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'm guessing, no need to verify, that it was a 'supporter of Bernie'.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Yuuuuuuup
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)France.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Because apparently, that's the only people Bernie represents.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I think his record shows he is good for everyone, even "supporters". And right now he is talking about economics, but that doesn't mean he isn't great on social issues as well.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)I don't recall any election season where we were told we had to choose between economic and social justice. In my mind, the two are so closely connected that they really can't be separated. Do they think he's faking? Do they think it's a ruse? Are they afraid that if he wins the nomination he'll rip off his Bernie mask and reveal that he was really Jesse Helms all along? I admit, I'm flummoxed.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)As a person of color, I've been told that if I care about economic issues, I don't care about racial ones. Because the last seven years have been so GREAT for people of color! Because when you can't feed your kids, and you don't remember what their faces look like because you work three jobs, and even though you're dead tired you're still up all night worrying about the bills, then you should at least feel better that someone gave a nice speech. Or something. Ya whatever.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)There may be politicians that are socially and economically conservative (Republicans basically)
There are even politicians that are socially liberal and economically conservative (Abundant unfortunately)
But there are no politicians that I am aware of in the public eye that are socially conservative and economically liberal! (If they exist I would like to know who they are as I find rare oddities interesting)
Next time you hear that BS meme, ask them who they are talking about, you will hear either crickets or lies.
I never did understand how people can not grasp that you can't have social justice without economic justice or vice versa, that was Will Marshall and Bill Clinton's big mistake, they failed to understand that simple axiom and began something that is harming social justice right along with economic justice.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Especially since those hardest hit economically by a downturn, outsourcing, and austerity are women and people of color. It seems so clear, that I know whomever trots that out has an agenda. I often see it from those who would defend conservative policies from a politician they adore who sounds good on social issues.
I know there is some idea that it's only white males who care about economic issues, or that white males want theirs and don't care about social justice. I take the position that I don't expect people to put their main issues aside and fight for mine, but if they support mine as I do theirs or the very least, don't impede me from fighting for what I think is important, then I can't really ask for more.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I come from poor, am currently poor, and have worked my ass off my entire life. Those that don't have to sweat the rent or work multiple jobs JUST TO FALL BEHIND. Do not get that economic injustice is killing us - literally -.
There really can be no social justice without economic justice as Clinton's welfare reform and deregulation has proven, the hardest hit by the loss of wealth in the lower classes are always those that are discriminated against the most. This is born out by statistics and looking out my front window as well.
Funny thing, that poster that baited you earlier, happens to be by self admission an upper middle class white person (not that it matters, but that the poster was lecturing YOU on social issues is a bit rich).
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I know some people were looking forward to a female president to break the glass ceiling. I would love to see it too as I think that this country needs to see a strong, smart female leader. I was hoping against hope that that person would be Elizabeth Warren. But unfortunately, the candidate supporting the people this time is a man. The fact that he can't *buy* the presidency for 2.5 BILLION dollars makes me just want to support him even more. I wish all the "Bernie can't win" people could see that.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)and has a history of fighting for his constituents. He might be able to help if elected, maybe Warren will change her mind or be vice president.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Moveon too. At an opportune moment when it will help him get more support. She's working with him now on the TPP so I'm hoping they're having lots of late night conversations over scotch. She has been very mum about whom she endorses, so I'm waiting to see what she does.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)but a swing of support for her to him (move on etc) and an endorsement from her should give him a great boost.
I am sure that their shared fight against regressive "trade" deals may lead to some interesting after work discussions about other shared issues and possible endorsement over scotch or coffee depending on how rough a day it was.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I talked about a twitter campaign they are trying to start on reddit to tweet Warren. There are also some strategic things that need to be taken into consideration. That groan from some quarters when Clinton announced, of people thinking they would have to hold their noses and vote, has now been replaced by a broad grin and a sigh of relief.
Strictly speaking, she isn't new and she isn't fresh. She can't change her image too much without seeming to be completely disingenous. Bernie gets to share his ideas with a whole new crowd and sound like a breath of fresh air. I'm banking that combined with the disappointment in the current administration and the boiling frustration and discontent in this country that his ideas will be well received. I think O'Malley will shave some anti-Clinton voters, and hope Bernie can hang in there just like Obama did until Edwards dropped out.
I think the biggest danger comes from the corporations, Wall St, and the party itself. Our self-proclaimed DU "resident 1%er"/Party Mandarin assures me that even though Obama campaigned and won as a raging liberal he is nothing like Bernie because he had secured "financial and political commitments" before he ran. (And those "commitments" were the only explanation (i.e Occam's Razor) for his actions which were often diametrically opposed to his words.) But he is saying that Bernie hasn't hooked into the power brokers, super delegates, and kingmakers of the party while at the same time assuring me that the party won't interfere. As we know from the situtation with Blanche Lincoln, etc. that couldn't be further from the truth. HRC is the chosen candidate because she can make sure all those consultants and media companies get as fat as a tick.
People are still afraid he can't win and so are withholding support. That is the first place to attack, make sure people know he CAN win. Then I think he will get on board. I made this thread that sank but it still makes a strong argument for how he can do it in the general. I think it's very important information for people to know that supporting the candidate they REALLY want does not equal a Republican president.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12801719
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It can be best described as...bizarre.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Sometimes I am not the brightest bulb. Sorry.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I'm just blowing off some steam. I don't take well to being scolded or passive aggressive manipulation. I fell for it though when I shouldn't have. I like the group of Bernie supporters as it's most of the people I've been interacting with on DU anyway. It's funny how it has split out. The people who have been arguing for principles, who were called "purists" who could never find a candidate to satify them, APPARENTLY HAVE!!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)ever again have a candidate I really, really wanted to vote for. I worked hard for Obama and like him, but he disappointed me in many ways.
I am realistic. I know that Sanders as president will have trouble getting his proposals passed through our ossified Congress. But, hey, we have to get the voters organized and raise the awareness in our country about the horrible service that we are getting from our current Congress.
Bernie is just the person to speak truth to the corporate front that passes for Congress.
Go, Bernie.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I think the bully pulpit will be used like Teddy Roosevelt. He won't always be right and he won't always win, but he will always fight. That's good enough for me.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Bernie has just been playing for thirty years! He's a Manchurian Candidate in crazy hair!!!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)anti-charter schools and pro-separation of church and state as well as very pro-LGBT issues and race issues.
He is the right candidate for me.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Can't get fooled again as the Chimp would say.
I think Identity Politics needs to meet its demise. Politicians have hidden behind it for far too long. When I read the line from the Taibbi article that Bernie genuinely doesn't care about optics, it really struck a nerve with me. I really hope people can wake up a little.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)bookmarked for future use...
GO, BERNIE, GO
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)Looking at the grid at the bottom, he's a little to her left, and she's a little more populist -- but they're very close.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)to questions and other soft rhetoric.
There is even a disclaimer by the authors of the site not to take them too seriously.
The below is a way of thinking about the candidate's political philosophy by dividing the candidate's VoteMatch answers into "social" and "economic" questions. It is only a theory - please take it with a grain of salt!
Social Questions: Liberals and libertarians agree in choosing the less-government answers, while conservatives and populists agree in choosing the more-restrictive answers.
Economic Questions: Conservatives and libertarians agree in choosing the less-government answers, while liberals and populists agree in choosing the more-restrictive answers.
If you want to graph such things a site that uses real methodology and actions rather than rhetoric has been around since 2001.
I can't wait until the primaries are in full swing and they do a chart for US candidates 2016.
People can change, but Hillary during the last primary was center right along with Obama
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)and how they use data rather than let politicians answer questions to make a determination.
Then compare their criteria to the pop garbage used by ontheissues that even they tell people not to take too seriously.
I doubt you will care, but they are the best at this and have been for about 15 years.
What is that Sinclair quote again about not understanding....?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Thank you.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But we already have 4 pinned posts
I will just link to it on the information post, if you don't mind
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I could retitle it to
"Bernie's Full Voting Record "On the Issues" A Reference Resource:
Or whatever you think would work so people could use it from inside one of the "PINs". I really didn't like the way I originally titled this...
I actually just went ahead and added it. But I can edit it
Here's the link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=3041
Just tell me what you want it to say and I will make it so
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Here ya go:
"Bernie's Full Senate Voting Record "On the Issues:" An Easy to Use Research Reference Resource:
OR....I kind of like this one, below. You Choose.
"On the Issues:" Bernie Sanders Full Senate Voting Record: An Easy to Use Research Reference Source
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)I am a huge Bernie supporter, but checked the OP link on his gun control voting record. Although he has an F grade from the NRA, his voting record seems pretty friendly to gun rights advocates. I believe he voted to allow concealed guns in National Parks, too, although I didn't see that vote listed. Could someone explain his stand for me.
Again, my family and I are all donating supporters.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)guns in their backpacks gets an F rating from the NRA. Since VT is a rural state, he's probably representing the wishes of his constituents. Gun control isn't a make or break issue for me, so I haven't examined it too closely. cali, who is a host in this group, lives in VT would probably be able to better answer your question.
grntuscarora
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because I agree with him on so very many other points. But gun control is one of many issues I care about, and I would like to be clear on his stand.