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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:39 PM Sep 2015

Hillary Clinton’s proxies ramp up attacks against Sanders

By ANNIE KARNI

Stumping for Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a trip partly paid by Clinton's campaign, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy did more than defend the former secretary of State's email use -- he criticized Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ record on guns.

In Des Moines the same week, Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro, whose travel expenses were paid for by the Clinton campaign, knocked Sanders for a lack of outreach to Latinos.

And Thursday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who has endorsed Clinton, drew another unflattering contrast between the top Democrats in the race. “I don’t think there’s any comparison between Hillary Clinton’s credentials and qualifications and positions, and Bernie Sanders,” Cuomo told reporters. “I do not see that as a close call.”

Clinton’s campaign, it appears, is unleashing the hounds. While the wounded front-runner is ignoring her competition in the primary race altogether -- she still does not utter Sanders’ name on the campaign trail – Brooklyn is paying the travel costs for proxies who are using their appearances in the early-voting states to criticize the surging senator.



In Sanders’ inner circle, the attacks are seen as a sign of Clinton's weakness. “Secretary Clinton’s campaign is getting a little nervous and sending out these surrogates from the establishment to say things about Bernie, but Bernie is determined to keep the campaign focused on the issues,” said Sanders’ spokesman Michael Briggs.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-proxies-attack-bernie-sanders-213359#ixzz3kouS7nX8

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Hillary Clinton’s proxies ramp up attacks against Sanders (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2015 OP
bernie is winning support from those who hear him, hillary is on the 08 trajectory peacebird Sep 2015 #1
I wouldn't discount her. She's smart. Very smart. Smart enough to use her surogates as cats paws. Bubzer Sep 2015 #9
It did not work in 2008, but then again, Obama had party powerfuls like Reid, Kennedy merrily Sep 2015 #27
Right... Bubzer Sep 2015 #36
She's lost 20 points in Iowa, since May... CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #25
"The attacks are seen as a sign of Clinton's weakness" arcane1 Sep 2015 #2
The interesting part for me is where she's clearly trying to stay "above the fray". Bubzer Sep 2015 #8
Probably thought up by all those tacticians she employs. senz Sep 2015 #23
+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #37
She did that in the 2008 campaign as well, until the very end, when the infamous merrily Sep 2015 #28
+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #38
just like a wounded cornered dog Pharaoh Sep 2015 #3
It's an acknowledgment that Bernie really is a serious contender. One that we knew was coming. Bubzer Sep 2015 #7
Bernie is a karate master... retrowire Sep 2015 #4
Nice! I loved that song! Bubzer Sep 2015 #6
Failed, childish, & pathetic. jkbRN Sep 2015 #5
I would expect nothing less out of her and her establishment campaign... SoapBox Sep 2015 #10
She expects to avoid any mud getting on her from the attacks, but it's not likly to work. Bubzer Sep 2015 #39
Attack dogs silenttigersong Sep 2015 #11
And this is why I choose Bernie. Really have had it with games, glinda Sep 2015 #12
I'm with you, glinda. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #17
Hillary's in the pocket of some of the most evil people ever to foul this planet... gregcrawford Sep 2015 #13
That is my suspicion. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #18
I, too, strongly suspect Bernie of telling the truth as he sees it. merrily Sep 2015 #34
. libodem Sep 2015 #14
If he keeps focused on issues, he's going to do fine. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #15
They are silencing his message. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #20
Sure they are. That's why WE have to broadcast it on social media. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #21
I don't do social media senz Sep 2015 #26
They can try. merrily Sep 2015 #29
They're being effective on some levels. The recent NPR debacle is a prime example. Bubzer Sep 2015 #40
The debates are indeed problematic. NPR much less so, IMO. merrily Sep 2015 #41
That's one of the things that's so great about Bernie, tinkerbelle Sep 2015 #16
Flying in outside proxies Geronimoe Sep 2015 #19
You may have missed a few versions. merrily Sep 2015 #30
Proxies=aka DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #22
I'm sure that's the case w/Castro. nt senz Sep 2015 #24
Castro, Gutierrez, Sanchez, McCaskill, and others. merrily Sep 2015 #33
Or help campaigning or whatever. merrily Sep 2015 #31
... n2doc Sep 2015 #32
I agree with Cuomo. Scuba Sep 2015 #35
Just doing what she did in 08. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #42

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. bernie is winning support from those who hear him, hillary is on the 08 trajectory
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:42 PM
Sep 2015

Face it, the more people see & hear her, the less they trust & like her.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
9. I wouldn't discount her. She's smart. Very smart. Smart enough to use her surogates as cats paws.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:03 PM
Sep 2015

But definitely like the upward mobility Bernie is getting. Feeling so good about this I might have to go make another contribution to Bernie's campaign!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. It did not work in 2008, but then again, Obama had party powerfuls like Reid, Kennedy
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:48 AM
Sep 2015

and Daschle on his side in that campaign, not to mention big donors.

Sanders is doing this almost a capella, which is why he needs his volunteers so much.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
36. Right...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

Stock-market commercials disclaim: past performance is not a guarantee of future results. I think that disclaimer fits well when talking about situations like this. Its a good argument for more volunteers and donations.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
25. She's lost 20 points in Iowa, since May...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:19 AM
Sep 2015

…and this is a state where she is actively campaigning and working hard to win the Iowa caucuses--which are the first votes cast in the country.

I've seen her use surrogates before, and that is typical.

I remember in December 07, when the caucus campaigning was in full swing--Bob Kerrey had endorsed Hillary Clinton and he referred to Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama". Obama was gaining in the polls and Clinton was slipping. This was a very deliberate attack. At the time, Republicans were in a tizzy over Obama's middle name and they were suggesting that he was a covert Muslim.

Kerrey's remarks were deliberate and they came at a time when Hillary was slipping in the polls, especially in Iowa.

Also during the same time period (a month before the Iowa caucuses) one of Hillary's campaign strategists also made a remark about Obama's past cocaine abuse--thereby dumping more innuendo and gossip onto Obama's campaign.

This is what she does. She's done it before. She'll do it again.

On a positive note, she only employs this passive-aggressive baloney when her campaign is in trouble.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
8. The interesting part for me is where she's clearly trying to stay "above the fray".
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:00 PM
Sep 2015

She's trying to tap into the group Bernie Sanders has already appealed to. But she seems to want to be able to attack Bernie as well, so she has her surrogates do it for her. She wants her cake, and to eat it too.

Oddly enough, this trend just means things are looking up!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
23. Probably thought up by all those tacticians she employs.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:10 AM
Sep 2015

She'll have the best Dem campaign organization money can buy.

But Bernie's campaign has the best candidate. Whom money can't buy.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. She did that in the 2008 campaign as well, until the very end, when the infamous
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:05 AM
Sep 2015

hard-working white people remark came out of her own mouth.

Bernie said, "I've never run a negative campaign in my life and I don't intend to start now" or words to that effect.

Bubba said that Americans don't like negative campaigning, but sometimes reward it. The way to have it both ways is to leave the negative and "tinged" campaigning to surrogates and hope American voters don't catch on. Obama was the son of a woman whose ancestors stretched back to the Mayflower and a Kenyan Muslim with several wives. We saw what happened to those things in the 2008 campaign.

Bernie is a liberal, non-religious Jew whose relatives died in the Holocaust, who once applied for conscientious objector status and who is rated D-to F by the NRA and who moved from diverse Brooklyn to not so diverse Vermont in the days of peace-loving hippie communes. . http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html And we've already been seeing what's happening with each of those things

Oh, and let's not forget slut shaming: Bernie had a child out of wedlock whom he raised. Here they are at a meeting of an alternative newspaper. Guess Bernie couldn't afford much in the way of child care back then.



Bernie never refers to his biological son any differently than he refers to his wife's children; i.e., "I have four beautiful children and seven beautiful grandchildren."

Evil, evil, man--but, still, he's a saint compared to his millions of unacceptable fellow travelers supporters.

It's like I'm in Arkansas in the 1940s and 1950s, watching the McCarthy hearings on TV during the week and good ole boys Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts on Sundays.





retrowire

(10,345 posts)
4. Bernie is a karate master...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:01 PM
Sep 2015

He marches on, focused. Parrying every blow that comes at him.

He is untouchable! What's the song from the Karate Kid? You're the best! That's totally playing right now.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
10. I would expect nothing less out of her and her establishment campaign...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:21 PM
Sep 2015

The mud and dirt from her side has barely begun.

Bernie will just keep speaking to thousands and thousands, who jump on board.

Go Bernie!

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
39. She expects to avoid any mud getting on her from the attacks, but it's not likly to work.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

Hillary knows exactly what her campaign is doing. She'll let them continue on until the winds change and she has to make them stop.
By then, the damage will be done.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
11. Attack dogs
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:21 PM
Sep 2015

are on alert,I expect many posts to be hidden.I have seen the holier then thous coming out on DU,.Attacking and twisting words to their advantage.They are harming their candidate rather then having conversations.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
12. And this is why I choose Bernie. Really have had it with games,
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:27 PM
Sep 2015

manipulation and lack of being straightforward. At this point I am so disgusted already I could

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
13. Hillary's in the pocket of some of the most evil people ever to foul this planet...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:45 PM
Sep 2015

... Bernie tells the truth. (SFX: mic drop)

PatrickforO

(14,566 posts)
21. Sure they are. That's why WE have to broadcast it on social media.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:27 PM
Sep 2015

There is a new students for Bernie movement. You should check out their website. All volunteers, and it's GOOD. I think it may make you feel better. I don't have the link offhand, but there's a thread on here called 'students for Bernie' or some such, and you should definitely click on the link. I was pretty impressed.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
26. I don't do social media
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:22 AM
Sep 2015

for my own reasons. But I hope Bernie supporters will reach out to AAs on social media, because they need to know more about him. He's still new to them.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
40. They're being effective on some levels. The recent NPR debacle is a prime example.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:39 PM
Sep 2015

That and DWS's efforts to control the debates, for example.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. The debates are indeed problematic. NPR much less so, IMO.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:53 PM
Sep 2015

But, Bernie's message(s) has a life all its own. Between Sanders and the volunteers and the message itself, it will spread.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
19. Flying in outside proxies
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:24 PM
Sep 2015

that Iowans probably never heard of and don't care about.

Meanwhile she is in DC giving version two about email sever... that she didn't think.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. Castro, Gutierrez, Sanchez, McCaskill, and others.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:50 AM
Sep 2015

I would have skipped over Cuomo, though. Too many might remember the Cuomo shuckin' and jivin' dog whistle from 2008. (I wonder how many times the Cuomos heard that down home expression, growing up in the Governor's mansion in Albany, NY, that it rolled right off his tongue like that?)

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
35. I agree with Cuomo.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:54 AM
Sep 2015
“I don’t think there’s any comparison between Hillary Clinton’s credentials and qualifications and positions, and Bernie Sanders.
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