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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:17 PM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders Goes Into The Lion’s Den and Tears Apart GOP Religious Hypocrites At Liberty

Jason Easley
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/14/bernie-sanders-lions-den-tears-gop-religious-hypocrites-liberty.html

In an amazing speech, Sen. Bernie Sanders went to Liberty University this morning and gave right-wing evangelicals a dose of progressive faith, and tore apart the hypocrisy of supposedly faith-based Republicans defending immoral economic policies.

Sanders explained why he agreed to speak at Liberty, “I came here today because I believe that it is important for those with different views in our country to engage in civil discourse – not just to shout at each other or make fun of each other. It is very easy for those in politics to talk to those who agree with us. I do that every day. It is harder, but not less important, to try to communicate with those who do not agree with us and see where, if possible, we can find common ground and, in other words, to reach out of our zone of comfort.”

Later Sen. Sanders turned the Republican support of inequality on its moral ear:

(snip)
Republicans don’t have an exclusive on morality, justice, and faith. Sen. Sanders called out the Republican hypocrites who warp the Bible to defend income inequality. Sen. Sanders was brilliant. He turned the Republicans’ moral argument in defense of the billionaires against them.

Bernie Sanders made the inequality and poverty in the United States a moral issue. His argument was compelling. He discussed the immorality of the right’s economic policies. To progressive Christians, how some Republicans have warped religion to defend policies that harm millions of Americans in need is a matter of outrage.

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Bernie Sanders Goes Into The Lion’s Den and Tears Apart GOP Religious Hypocrites At Liberty (Original Post) cal04 Sep 2015 OP
K&R! marym625 Sep 2015 #1
Like Daniel (bible reference) Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #2
...! KoKo Sep 2015 #16
in the last few years, the only one to do that was Steven confronting Bush at that dinner roguevalley Sep 2015 #22
And the students were applauding him! peacebird Sep 2015 #3
How was his message received? Sanity Claws Sep 2015 #4
The thread below has links and comments... mak3cats Sep 2015 #9
The response: Cheers, hand clapping, and a standing ovation !!!! SamKnause Sep 2015 #11
About 500 Bernie suppoorters from the community were allowed at the front. Stevepol Sep 2015 #19
"About 500 Bernie supporters from the community were allowed at the front"? red dog 1 Sep 2015 #48
If you watch video on Bernie2016.tv, you will see that introduction noted Bernie fans down front. DiehardLiberal Sep 2015 #66
Saw some positive tweets just now from some students and at least one alumnus. historylovr Sep 2015 #23
Suffice it to say, I don't believe someone who can't spell 'paid' correctly tabasco Sep 2015 #30
LOL Very true. Although those were two different tweets, I just didn't format them properly. historylovr Sep 2015 #31
Bernie is taking on the Labors of Hercules Demeter Sep 2015 #5
Bernie speaking truth, take it or leave it. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #6
Just sitting here wondering what the spin on this will be. djean111 Sep 2015 #7
I saw some pre-event spin 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #10
Oh, I saw that stuff - and knew Bernie would not pander. djean111 Sep 2015 #12
I'm with you on that. -nt- 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #14
Yep. This is a no-brainer. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #29
Oh it gets better. A pundit on CNN with ties azmom Sep 2015 #13
I find that incredible. That's a horrible reason to attack someone. Go, Bernie! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #20
since bernie is being condemned for some of his supporters and surrogates (west), hillary roguevalley Sep 2015 #24
I would say that shows STRENGTH of character... cascadiance Sep 2015 #32
I wonder if that was the same guy that was on Up w/ Kornacki this weekend. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #40
I saw that! It was disgusting... KoKo Sep 2015 #41
When it was first announced, a few idiots here tried to pretend it proved he was a bigot arcane1 Sep 2015 #15
I remember that well. artislife Sep 2015 #57
Oh, it'll come. cui bono Sep 2015 #55
Bernie Just Continues To Impress Me..... global1 Sep 2015 #8
Great Speech but... Oldtimeralso Sep 2015 #60
This also cannot be stated enough salib Sep 2015 #62
Good for you, Bernie! SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #17
He's right. Just ask Jimmy Carter. n/t SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #18
K & R L0oniX Sep 2015 #21
So, basically . . . OldRedneck Sep 2015 #25
Imagine what he's going to do to Teh Donald in the first debate. Volaris Sep 2015 #50
Cheering for a Socialist Jew? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #26
He's a socialist, Jewish carpenter. jeff47 Sep 2015 #33
If Sanders captures the Xtian millenials... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #37
My ex roommate artislife Sep 2015 #58
"I come not in peace, but with a sword. I have come to set families apart." Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2015 #64
Another WOW speech. SoapBox Sep 2015 #27
I am more impressed with this man every day. tabasco Sep 2015 #28
Doesn't sound like "tearing apart" to me nxylas Sep 2015 #34
+1 exactly fbc Sep 2015 #45
Good speech, Bernie.. mountain grammy Sep 2015 #35
This is gonna leave a Bern mark. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #36
Robert F. Kennedy was the Last Politician To Do This Chasstev365 Sep 2015 #38
Liberty University did not exist during Bobby's lifetime. Ted Kennedy spoke at Liberty University. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #65
Yes, I Knew That! Chasstev365 Sep 2015 #67
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #39
K&R. Can't wait to hear the speech. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #42
I haven't read the whole speech ShrimpPoboy Sep 2015 #43
Bernie didn't "tear apart" anything - he spoke to them like people. fbc Sep 2015 #44
Bernie did something historical today olddots Sep 2015 #46
Bernie was not there to tear apart anybody. In fact he made it clear that one of the main totodeinhere Sep 2015 #47
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Sep 2015 #49
This speech was a thing of beauty. polichick Sep 2015 #51
Courage is one of his biggest attributes . That's why he's capable of telling the truth to Everyone, orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #52
I don't think "tearing apart" Liberty U is what I would call it Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #53
I agree 100%. He wasn't looking to tear apart, but build together. denverbill Sep 2015 #54
Terrible headline, but great story. Bernie knows how to talk to people. cui bono Sep 2015 #56
I think it showed just what a great President he will make. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #59
He preached reproductive choice at Liberty U. merrily Sep 2015 #61
Of course, no mention of it all on CBS This Morning deutsey Sep 2015 #63

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
2. Like Daniel (bible reference)
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

The fact that he accepted the invitation to speak and than hold his ground is amazing.

It takes courage and guts

Naysayers have to take the time and watched the speech+Q&A

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
11. The response: Cheers, hand clapping, and a standing ovation !!!!
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:45 PM
Sep 2015

It gives me hope.

The question and answer session went extremely well also.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
19. About 500 Bernie suppoorters from the community were allowed at the front.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:10 PM
Sep 2015

This explains the shouts and cheers at some points, but throughout the auditorium there was strong applause at times. Most important, a lot of the students will remember what they heard and will think about its meaning for them and for the particular brand of Christianity Liberty U represents.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
48. "About 500 Bernie supporters from the community were allowed at the front"?
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:14 PM
Sep 2015

What is your source for this?

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
66. If you watch video on Bernie2016.tv, you will see that introduction noted Bernie fans down front.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

Not sure that there were 500 (maybe) but in audience shots there were a lot of students sitting on their hands. They don't let new/different ideas in easily. Still Bernie was masterful and he MUST have got some of them thinking...

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
23. Saw some positive tweets just now from some students and at least one alumnus.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:40 PM
Sep 2015

1h1 hour ago
Thanks @BernieSanders for coming to #LibertyConvo I enjoyed hearing your views and seeing the passion you have for this country.

· 2h2 hours ago
Enjoyed having @BernieSanders in #LibertyConvo today. Thought he found common ground and showed why he's a solid candidate for president.

· 2h2 hours ago
@BernieSanders is bringing it at #LibertyConvo. Proud of our student body for being willing to listen and try to find common ground.


Actually super excited to have @BernieSanders at #libertyconvo

There were also some negatives: Who payed(sic) the cheering crowd? Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. Stuff like that.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
30. Suffice it to say, I don't believe someone who can't spell 'paid' correctly
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:58 PM
Sep 2015

knows a damn thing about socialism. I wonder if that person is a Liberty grad, LOL.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
31. LOL Very true. Although those were two different tweets, I just didn't format them properly.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:05 PM
Sep 2015

They were both students though, I gathered. And they'd probably be in agreement anyway.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. Just sitting here wondering what the spin on this will be.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

Nothing yet.
Bernie's speech made me tear up - and I am an atheist.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
10. I saw some pre-event spin
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:44 PM
Sep 2015

a few weeks ago, something like "Oh noes! Bernie's going to pander to RW Jerry Falwell crowd",
and this was back when Bernie was being called a white supremacist, or something like that.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. Oh, I saw that stuff - and knew Bernie would not pander.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

I expect that we will be told Bernie should have been more harsh or something.

Personally, I will support a candidate who takes his unchanging and heartfelt message "into the lion's den" over one who speaks with bankers and tells them that those who criticize them are just mean and that we all got into this together.
Easiest choice about who to support that I have ever made, really.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
13. Oh it gets better. A pundit on CNN with ties
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

To Hillary attacked Bernie for not being Jewish enough. How dare Bernie visit a Christian college on a Jewish holiday.

It was disgusting.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. since bernie is being condemned for some of his supporters and surrogates (west), hillary
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:42 PM
Sep 2015

has an obligation to condemn that remark. I won't hold my breath. I admire this man's guts and SHEER INTEGRITY! What he did was not for the faint of heart.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
32. I would say that shows STRENGTH of character...
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:11 PM
Sep 2015

Not just following perhaps religious traditions, but reaching out to other religious traditions, even on one's own religious holidays shows someone that in my book is strong in their beliefs and character. Now if someone used their religious holiday to just be at Jewish celebrations and alienating other religions by pointing out how superior Judaism would be over other religions then, that I wouldn't have respect for. And with a lot of the right wing Christians running on the Republican side, that's the kind of thing we might expect out of a Huckabee, etc. When I heard an interview David Duke being interviewed on the topic of the racist violations, etc. and how he turned the conversation on its head by going after the Jewish control over the media and everything changing the conversation, etc. it showed me how religious extremism is ugly. He avoided speaking against the AA community, as he thought he needed to as a former head of the KKK, and knowing that AA community would loudly criticize him then, but his going after the Jewish community solidified what many would see as his bigoted roots.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
40. I wonder if that was the same guy that was on Up w/ Kornacki this weekend.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:35 PM
Sep 2015

Ari Melbar was subbing for Steve, and one of the guys on the panel was basically calling Bernie a bad Jew for that as well. Said that Sandy Koufax skipped a world series game to go to services, that that's what it meant to be an American Jew, but here was Bernie going off to talk at a Christian university instead.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
41. I saw that! It was disgusting...
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:44 PM
Sep 2015

I think his name was David Goodfriend and he was identified on the scroll as a Spokesperson for Hillary Campaign.

I don't think his comments went over well and hopefully were nipped in the bud.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. When it was first announced, a few idiots here tried to pretend it proved he was a bigot
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:54 PM
Sep 2015

They will likely keep quiet on this

global1

(25,242 posts)
8. Bernie Just Continues To Impress Me.....
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:41 PM
Sep 2015

And he invoked the Golden Rule:

Do Unto Others As You Would Like Them To Do Unto You

That should resonate with all people.

I thought that the people and students at LU - treated him warmly and politely. I have to think that his message resonated with many in the auditorium.

He stated up front that they had some disagreements but he felt that they agreed on many things as well.

He never deflects any questions and some that were posed to him after he spoke to the group were potentially difficult to answer. A lesser candidate would have crumbled. He listened intently to the questions and he gave forthright and direct responses without any hesitation or hem hawing.

Like I said in my reply title - this guy just continues to impress me the more I hear him speak.

Oldtimeralso

(1,937 posts)
60. Great Speech but...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:35 AM
Sep 2015

a lot of the GOP higher-ups only believe in the new Golden Rule:

He Who Has The Gold Makes The Rules

salib

(2,116 posts)
62. This also cannot be stated enough
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:52 AM
Sep 2015

"the people and students at LU - treated him warmly and politely."

This is what happens in polite discourse.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
25. So, basically . . .
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sep 2015

So, basically, Bernie went into THEIR house and KICKED THEIR ASS!!!!!

Anyone else feeling the Bern????

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
50. Imagine what he's going to do to Teh Donald in the first debate.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:20 PM
Sep 2015

Rush Limbaugh moderate, and it still wouldnt stop the asskicking that would be delivered.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
58. My ex roommate
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:02 AM
Sep 2015

was raised in a Texas Christian cult and she went to one of those Christian colleges. She snapped out of it.

This year I met a woman who said she followed the teachings of Jesus...and I thought she meant Christian. But she said no...if Jesus didn't say it, she didn't follow it. That was new for me...

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
28. I am more impressed with this man every day.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:54 PM
Sep 2015

I would be proud to see him become the Democratic nominee.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
34. Doesn't sound like "tearing apart" to me
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:12 PM
Sep 2015

It sounds like engaging in civil discourse with people he has some disagreements with, and trying to win them over to his side.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
35. Good speech, Bernie..
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:14 PM
Sep 2015

I love how he speaks to people instead of preaching or speaking down to them. His economic facts are just that; facts. Not talking points. Income is unfairly distributed in America. People are working longer hours for less money. People do die because of lack of access to healthcare. This is how unregulated capitalism, unregulated insurance companies and big banks have rigged America and it must change or we will self destruct.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
65. Liberty University did not exist during Bobby's lifetime. Ted Kennedy spoke at Liberty University.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 09:23 AM
Sep 2015

Liberty was founded in 1971....

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
67. Yes, I Knew That!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:51 PM
Sep 2015

You took me too literally. Read Jack Newfield's account of how RFK went after white meds students in Indiana who didn't care that there were no blacks students in their class, yet supported the Vietnam War, knowing full well that minorities were baring the brunt of the war. My point is that most politicians don't confront or challenge their opposition. Good for Bernie for going to hostile territory.

ShrimpPoboy

(301 posts)
43. I haven't read the whole speech
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:51 PM
Sep 2015

but it doesn't sound like he pandered or pulled any punches. He just told them what he believed. And this is why Sanders is my favorite.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
46. Bernie did something historical today
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 03:56 PM
Sep 2015

something for everyone , he made people think beyond reaction .

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
47. Bernie was not there to tear apart anybody. In fact he made it clear that one of the main
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:05 PM
Sep 2015

problems we have is that both sides yell at each other and both are responsible for that. So I don't think that saying he has torn them apart is in keeping with what Bernie was trying to say.

When Bernie is elected, and I believe he will be, he will be the president of all the people and his door will be open to everybody. I firmly believe that.

And I salute him for having the courage to go into the lion's den so to speak. I noticed that some Clinton supporters have even criticized him for going there. But hey, I guess it's alright for Clinton to give a speech at the Brookings Institution.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
49. K&R...Thanks for posting
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:20 PM
Sep 2015

I doubt if Donald Trump has the courage to "go onto the lion's den" and give a speech at someplace like U.C. Berkeley.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
52. Courage is one of his biggest attributes . That's why he's capable of telling the truth to Everyone,
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:33 PM
Sep 2015

even those who oppose him, that's a character .

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
53. I don't think "tearing apart" Liberty U is what I would call it
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:43 PM
Sep 2015

It seemed to me that he impressed on those assembled that adults can disagree on issues and still be civil about it, even find common ground to work on some related matters.

That's a lot better than tearing them apart.

I am looking forward to a Sanders administration. I feel even more committed to him today than I was yesterday.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
54. I agree 100%. He wasn't looking to tear apart, but build together.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:37 PM
Sep 2015

I thought he did a great job and I'm with you on supporting him more today. He's the kind of man we need as President.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
56. Terrible headline, but great story. Bernie knows how to talk to people.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:09 AM
Sep 2015

And he can bring over those to vote Dem like no one else can. They can sense his authenticity and he speaks to the concerns of ALL people. He can make R's stop voting against their own interests by speaking truth to power and reaching out to everyone, no matter what their leaning.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
59. I think it showed just what a great President he will make.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:01 AM
Sep 2015

He can respect others tradition and views but still stand up for what is just.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
63. Of course, no mention of it all on CBS This Morning
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:53 AM
Sep 2015

At least not during the opening segment. Nothing on their site either.

Trump is there, naturally.

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