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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:43 PM Sep 2015

Salon re-posts an AlterNet article and changes the title.

The article, which I tweeted last night directly from the author's Twitter, published on AlterNet.

Title: Why Aren't More Black Voters Feeling the Bern?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-arent-more-black-voters-feeling-bern#

Now, reposted on Salon,
New title: Black voters aren’t feeling the Bern! Sanders’ problem is bigger than #BlackLivesMatter

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/13/black_voters_arent_feeling_the_bern_sanders_problem_is_bigger_than_blacklivesmatter_partner/

The author, Terrell Jermaine Starr, wrote an excellent article that explains some disconnect without being dismissive or divisive. Salon reposts it doing exactly what the author tried to avoid. WTF!?

Nothing like trying to cause problems when something is meant to close gaps.

Regardless, it's a great article and worth the read. Don't give Salon the click. Unlike the title from Salon implies, Sanders resonates with many black voters and the more that learn about him, the more that support him.

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Salon re-posts an AlterNet article and changes the title. (Original Post) marym625 Sep 2015 OP
I read the article Mary, I think Catherina posted it also. It was a thoughtful sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #1
I don't know marym625 Sep 2015 #2
It is a decent article, and I did think that the 'Oh, I don't apologize' remark to Toad was a bit PatrickforO Sep 2015 #3
According to the article marym625 Sep 2015 #5
Yeah, and I just clicked on the Salon article and read a bunch of the reader comments. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #7
I think it is important stuff marym625 Sep 2015 #9
It's all about teh clicks bae! aidbo Sep 2015 #4
I lost respect for Salon marym625 Sep 2015 #6
+1 n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #8
Thank you! marym625 Sep 2015 #10
I actually already read it (on Salon) and my comment to another person Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #11
+100000 marym625 Sep 2015 #13
salon started going downhill restorefreedom Sep 2015 #12
same here. marym625 Sep 2015 #14
unfortunately I think it's only the beginning restorefreedom Sep 2015 #17
I believe, wholeheartedly, marym625 Sep 2015 #18
One thing. We can't trust any media source. The opposition has an army of infiltrators Enthusiast Sep 2015 #15
Absolutely! marym625 Sep 2015 #16

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
1. I read the article Mary, I think Catherina posted it also. It was a thoughtful
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:52 PM
Sep 2015

article. I wonder if the author gave permission to change the title? If not that was a reprehensible thing to do.

PatrickforO

(14,561 posts)
3. It is a decent article, and I did think that the 'Oh, I don't apologize' remark to Toad was a bit
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:54 PM
Sep 2015

off.

However, I still think this is being used as a wedge by the establishment against Bernie, because I don't think it is near the problem that it is being presented as.

I'm seeing a steady increase of POC in Bernie events, judging by photos, and it is early in the race. By way of anecdote, I must say that I work with quite a few African Americans and many are supporting Bernie. I don't know - sure, maybe he could have handled some of it better, but he's doing pretty good.

We must face the fact the establishment would like NOTHING better than to mire Bernie's message in this, because no one but us wants him elected. He's bad for profits, you know.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. According to the article
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:57 PM
Sep 2015

The percentage of black voters that know Sanders and his record is just about the same as the percentage of black voters that support him.

PatrickforO

(14,561 posts)
7. Yeah, and I just clicked on the Salon article and read a bunch of the reader comments.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:09 PM
Sep 2015

See, I have been thinking this is a faux issue made up by the establishment (who the actual players are we may never know) to mire Bernie's campaign in controversy so he can't get his message out.

The problem, though, is that we Bernie supporters challenge these false 'memes' directly. The comments after the Salon article, for instance, laid out in detail how Bernie will win, how he is the best candidate, how his economic policies will benefit African Americans more than those of any candidate in fifty years, and some even went on to accuse Salon of attempting to slime Bernie.

I'd say this may not prove to be much of an issue.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
9. I think it is important stuff
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:24 PM
Sep 2015

But I also think that it's not something to be divisive over. The issues are being addressed, as they should be. That's all that need be done.

Salon just wants clicks, as someone else here already pointed out.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
11. I actually already read it (on Salon) and my comment to another person
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:37 AM
Sep 2015

who had made a comment (under the new title, neither of us knowing it had been switched, I think) was that he should read the article, that it was more balanced than the title would suggest.

Yes, it does have people giving some of the same old memes, most notably Joy Reid, who chimes in to 'debunk' the notion that Sanders has received unfair media treatment by pointing out that Obama got attacked a lot more. Of course, as they say, when you're an unknown, any press is good press. Getting attacked actually increases your name recognition, and a lot of people see the attacks for what they are, and actually gain sympathy for you. Getting ignored doesn't win any votes.

Going to the title, and a question other posters are suddenly throwing around, even linking to that article, as if no one has an answer, there's one right in the article AS SOON AS THE QUESTION IS ASKED.

But if Sanders has been fighting for the civil rights of black people for decades, how come so few of them know about him?

“Think about it: How many people do you really know in Congress that’s not your own congressperson, unless they run for president?” asked Bonita Yarboro, the District 3 coordinator in Connecticut for Bernie Sanders Connecticut, which is not authorized by the campaign. “He’s never run for president before, so it’s not like there is any reason for everybody in the world to know about him.”


More specifically, it's asked 'If he's such a champion for black people, why have they never heard of him?' Could it be because they've gone through the public school systems, which don't actually give much time to the Civil Rights movement, and when they do, focus on a small set of names of black leaders, and he's not black? That most history books that focus on the Civil Rights movement likewise focus on a very limited subset of people who took part? The much mocked marching with MLK, for instance, was a LARGE march, but how many people can anyone name who marched with him? A dozen? Two or three dozen if they themselves were part of it?

About the only white names I ever hear tossed around in re Civil Rights are the ones who got murdered and Lyndon Johnson. I'm sure that people who spend a lot of time studying the era hear more, but probably not a lot more. We know they exist, but only those close to them know much about most of the white people who were allies.

And I don't see most people trolling the lists of Senate and House proposals, bills, amendments day in and day out. The last time I saw anyone even reference a(n amendment) vote by Sanders it was an attack on him, and ignored the fact that the very next vote by him on the list was the reverse of the prior vote, suggesting that Sanders didn't like the way either was written specifically, not that he had an opposition to two mutually exclusive positions.

Sanders does the work of the people. He does it quietly and diligently, and doesn't seek out the media spotlight to pound his chest and declare how wonderful he is. Hell, look at how much trouble he gets in for not bothering to issue a press release about his support of gay rights, while at the same time supporting gay rights decades ago. People are casting the fact that he's not constantly boasting about his positions as a problem, saying it means his support is 'weak'.

So I'm not in the least bit surprised that black people don't know about the ways he's supported them, that poor people don't know about the ways he's supported them, that gay people don't know about the ways he's supported them, etc, etc, etc - that EVERY AMERICAN doesn't know about the ways he's supported them, championed the injustices aimed at them.

He doesn't spend all his time telling people how wonderful he is, unlike certain other politicians.

And he's running to be your President, not your friend. He respects your intelligence, and feels that if he tells you his stances, and the things he wants to do, you're intelligent enough to figure out for yourself whether or not you should vote for him. He's not going to smooze you and adopt your accent, and 'have a beer' with you. He's not running to be your drinking buddy or your bro, dude. He's looking to be the guy who gets more power to work for you to solve at least some of your problems.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. +100000
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

Well said, Erich!

As you said, must Americans didn't know who he was until he announced. Most Americans still don't know about his record.

I would like to add that his numbers increase, across the board, as people learn his record, what he stands and fights for and always has. Look at his numbers with women. Look at his numbers with black voters as they learn about him. Always increasing.

Thank you for your thoughts.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
12. salon started going downhill
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 09:13 AM
Sep 2015

when joan walsh started going on hardball dismissing and even mocking bernie but not disclosing she was for hillary. totally disingenuous.

there are fewer and fewer sources i trust now.


marym625

(17,997 posts)
14. same here.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

And it's truly sad.

Taking such a thoughtful and informative article and using it to create division is, in my mind, disgusting.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
17. unfortunately I think it's only the beginning
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:01 PM
Sep 2015

it is clear the establishment is not going to go down without a fight. The media the other candidates the money people, Bernie's going to end up having everybody against him. Which is all the more reason to believe that our country needs him now more than ever

marym625

(17,997 posts)
18. I believe, wholeheartedly,
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:09 PM
Sep 2015

His message is getting through and is resonating with everyone that is sick of the oligarchy. But you're right about the media being another reason we need him more than ever

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
15. One thing. We can't trust any media source. The opposition has an army of infiltrators
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

with the sole purpose of sowing derision.

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