Votes for Bernie may end up stolen... is Bernie doing anything about this?

[cmos_sue]

It's wonderful that Bernie is gaining so much support, but, if his votes are stolen, what's the point in voting for him? We can trust Amazon to have our product shipped in 2 days but we can't trust that our votes will be counted truthfully? We have the technology to fix this, why isn't there any outcry about fixing what seems like a basic fundamental issue, losing our right to have our vote fairly counted? I'm really upset about this and wish there was a lot more awareness and attention put on this issue.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/university-statistician-suing-government-over-alleged-rampant-voter-fraud/209187/

[SusanCalvin]

1. THANK YOU SUE!

This has completely dropped of the radar.

Election Reform forum in this place is dead.

The mechanism is still in place to steal elections.

[virtualobserver]

2. you can only steal a close election, so we need to make this one the biggest landslide in history

[SusanCalvin]

3. YES!

[Enthusiast]

19. Yes!

[Zorra]

25. Yes. nt

[99th_Monkey]

4. I think we need internationally supervised exit-polling

since there are no tv networks or polling agencies committed to doing this, ever since
the exit polls started showing wide disparities between the 'official' results and the exit polls.

Yet exit polling is the internationally recognized gold-standard for detecting election fraud.

[SusanCalvin]

5. We sure do.

We should be treated as the third-world country we currently are in this regard.

[Ed Suspicious]

9. Right on.

[Dustlawyer]

12. We criticize other country's elections if the exit polls are more than a couple of percentage points

off of the vote, yet we have had much larger discrepancies in our own elections. The MSM stays mum about this! WE NEED TO MAKE A STINK I THINK!!!

[HeartoftheMidwest]

16. Upvote times 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

Hopefully President Sanders will make voting integrity a top priority during his FIRST term.
( No, not snark. )

[cmos_sue]

6. Susan

Thank you Susan... it took me forever to get up the nerve to post anything here. And I've been reading here since they were counting hanging chads... lol

[SusanCalvin]

28. I appreciate your post.

This used to be a huge topic and now it's not, but other than that, *nothing* *has* *changed*!

[Baitball Blogger]

7. +1

[L. Coyote]

8. Bad article and not good science either. It is alarmist without good cause.

And, they fail to say what the would-be statistician thinks is wrong with the pattern. Of course there are patterns. If there was no pattern, that would be alarming.

The "anomaly" is not in the voter tapes. It is an interpretation of the pattern in the voting. I recommend ignoring this source and the story, and focus instead on a real election integrity story.

And, don't try to suppress voting by saying it is pointless. It is the opposite of pointless.

[merrily]

11. Huh? "Would be statistician?" She's the CHIEF statistician for Wichita State’s National Institute

for Aviation Research.

Don't try to suppress the vote?



I cannot speak for DWS or the rest of the establishment, but the very last thing Bernie's supporters are trying to do is suppress the vote. But, guess what? It's not our job to give the electorate confidence in the integrity of the process. Stop trying to blame the victims of the failures of our so-called elected representatives for the failures of said representatives. Thanks ever so.

[BeanMusical]

15. +1

[demosincebirth]

30. good post.

[merrily]

10. There's been plenty of "outcry," including from Democratic heavy hitters, who keep claiming stolen

elections, then do nothing. Sometime after 2004, Waxman even held hearings. And then did nothing.

The only thing I can conclude is: No one in power actually tries to fix this because they don't want it fixed. They just want to complain about stolen elections. Put another way, sometimes what is happening is exactly what people intended to happen and not some inexplicable phenomenon we need to scratch our heads over.



We really, really, need to stop thinking that our elected officials know so much less than message board posters and, if they only knew, they'd do something.

Anyone who contemplates that sentence for two minutes should see a lightbulb light up above his or her head. (Got it now? Good.)



Also, people have to stop using "voter fraud" when they mean "voting fraud" or "election fraud." The former is very very rarely even attempted. The latter seems to go on way too much.

[Le Taz Hot]

13. Because the Ruling Class

doesn't WANT to fix it. It's "broke" for a reason. Silly prol.

[aspirant]

14. Kobach's "Crosscheck" list of 7 miliion

common AA and Hispanic names used in over 20 states will be problematic in 2016 if ignored.

Voter purges and voter suppression will continue unless the People's Revolution step's up to the plate. Bernie is now focusing on southern AA votes, problem areas of election fraud, and should include "making every vote count" part of his campaign.

[BeanMusical]

17. Kickin' and Reccin'

[djean111]

18. True about the votes being stolen - but "What's the point in voting for him?" - that is

defeatism, and that is what others want. For us to feel why bother, about Bernie.

Fuck that. Vote for Bernie.

Also, Bernie is actually a very smart guy, and we do not know everything he and his people are working on. He does have people, and they do know about dirty tricks.

[L. Coyote]

20. What crap. Writing "what's the point in voting" is defeatism and voting suppression at its finest

no matter what it is wrapped in, including support for Sanders.

Plus, this Kansas story is really bogus too, part of the defeatist propaganda effort. Those who know their election integrity issues well understand the difference between voter suppression and real integrity research. Don't be fooled by the bullshit that appears on the surface to valid but is just more defeatist crap. Watch out for tose who wouldproclaim every election is in question. Their job is to both cover up the few that are rigged and make people so cynical that they don't vote.

[aspirant]

21. This is "crap"

What exactly is bogus about the Kansas Story? You were informed in post #11 of the integrity of the University based statistician and you still persist.

If you agree with the Status Quo in the voting booth than Bernie's Revolution of change isn't for you. We must look into every nook and cranny to bring justice to the people, not just a few selected items.

"what's the point in voting" applies to all those whose votes were purged, suppressed and uncounted which maybe you have never experienced.

You are in the Bernie Group and making sure all votes are counted correctly is essential for Bernie to WIN

[L. Coyote]

22. I'm supposed to inform you of what is bogus? If you don't know then

don't criticize me for knowing.

[aspirant]

23. You made the bogus statement,

now back it up, Mr. all "knowing"

"6. Susan"

"Thank you Susan... it took me forever to get up the nerve to post anything here. And I've been reading here since they were counting hanging chads... lol" in 2008.Yet you have the insensitivity to call her post "crap" when she is concerned about counting all of Bernie's Votes.

You are heartless and cruel and I proudly stand with the OP.

[L. Coyote]

24. You called it bogus but don't even know why it isn't.

Discouraging voting is crap, and it must be discouraged.

Damn right I'm heartless and cruel to people discouraging voting, stealing elections, etc. Voter suppression is an enemy of democracy and must be confronted no matter how much lipstick is on that pig.

[cmos_sue]

27. Thank you aspirant

I appreciate your posts and feel that you understand my hopes and concerns. I agree that Mr. all "knowing" has not backed up his comments.

[demosincebirth]

26. Natonal polls suggest that your theory will have to involve millions and millions of stolen votes

[Left coast liberal]

29. Anonymous? Where are you on this?

[Stevepol]

31. Yesd!! Yes!! A thousand times yes!!!

Somebody, somewhere put this bug in Bernie's ear and make sure that bug stings him so he listens. And don't think the voting machines can't do a huge tilt rather than a small one.

But if the people as a whole realize what's going on, they will be suspicious and if the machine owners and programmers realize that the people are on to their game and they're watching, they might not tilt it so much.

BECAUSE IF THEY'RE EVER CAUGHT ONCE RED-HANDED, THAT COULD BE THE END OF THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINE COUNTING VOTES.

There are a ton of people who are praying and doing what they can for that result, even if it's not very much. The problem is there's no way to prove anything because you can't PROVE anything UNLESS THE VOTE IS VERIFIED.

VERIFY THE VOTE. AUDIT IT WHEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY TILTED. RECOUNT THE WHOLE THING. BUT VERIFY THE VOTE.