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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:38 AM Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders :"Wall Street and other big corporations have won again."

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Bernie Sanders 'Disappointed' By Trans-Pacific Partnership Deal
"Wall Street and other big corporations have won again."


U.S. Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said he was disappointed by the Trans-Pacific Partnership Pacific trade deal reached on Monday, saying the pact would cost U.S. jobs and hurt consumers.

"Wall Street and other big corporations have won again," the U.S. senator from Vermont said in a statement, vowing to "do all that I can to defeat this agreement" in Congress.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tpp_5612769de4b0af3706e1465a


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Wall Street and other big corporations have won again,” Sanders said.

“It is time for the rest of us to stop letting multi-national corporations rig the system to pad their profits at our expense.”

Sanders says the agreement follows other trade deals with “Mexico, China and other low-wage countries that have cost millions of jobs and shuttered tens of thousands of factories across the United States.”

“In the Senate, I will do all that I can to defeat this agreement,” he said.

“We need trade policies that benefit American workers and consumers, not just the CEOs of large multi-national corporations.”

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/255895-sanders-blasts-disastrous-obama-trade-deal#

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Bernie Sanders :"Wall Street and other big corporations have won again." (Original Post) cal04 Oct 2015 OP
Hell yes.... daleanime Oct 2015 #1
Well we could always bring it down internationally like we did ACTA if we do not bring it down in ZM90 Oct 2015 #2
Go Bernie! Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #3
Waiting for the first shriek and whine that Bernie does not love Obama. djean111 Oct 2015 #4
lol, you are so completely realistic. senz Oct 2015 #12
Thank you. High compliment, although I am not as brave as Bernie. djean111 Oct 2015 #18
Hm. Bravery just might be relative ... senz Oct 2015 #30
How many jobs will China and the other countries lose because of this? L0oniX Oct 2015 #5
I was curious how many here on DU support this deal as Obama does. And why? jalan48 Oct 2015 #6
Good luck with that request. NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #13
As the great Frazier Crane would say, "I'm listening". jalan48 Oct 2015 #14
Better get yourself a pair of these then NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #17
Against it coolepairc Oct 2015 #23
Thank you Bernie for being the azmom Oct 2015 #7
+1 ruffburr Oct 2015 #8
K&R - Thank you Bernie for helping expose the TPP! -nt- 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #9
2016 elections RealistComments Oct 2015 #10
Another "STAR" Plucketeer Oct 2015 #11
I believe Obama has been pressured into this. senz Oct 2015 #16
I believe that, too. Duval Oct 2015 #24
I think the Real Powers Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #27
"....now I can focus on my race for governor of Virginia." Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #28
Yeah Plucketeer Oct 2015 #29
Bernie is the only candidate speaking out for the people. senz Oct 2015 #15
Thank you. You said it so well. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #20
Bernie!! AzDar Oct 2015 #19
This "deal" sux's................................ turbinetree Oct 2015 #21
How can anyone but a corporation find the TPP to be of any value? fasttense Oct 2015 #22
Someone please explain to me how I can, in good conscience, possibly vote for Zorra Oct 2015 #25
Our limited Democracy silenttigersong Oct 2015 #26
Need to do some primaryin'!!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #31

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
1. Hell yes....
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:45 AM
Oct 2015

There's strong resistance to this 'trade' deal in many of the participating countries, even if 'approved' we will find a way to break it.

ZM90

(706 posts)
2. Well we could always bring it down internationally like we did ACTA if we do not bring it down in
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

congress.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Waiting for the first shriek and whine that Bernie does not love Obama.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

I assume Hillary will give one of her patented non-answers.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. Thank you. High compliment, although I am not as brave as Bernie.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

I am cursed with a completely logical, get-to-the-bottom-line outlook on life. I was a good QA engineer. I consider all possibilities.

On the other hand, my ultimate bliss would be one of those glass-floored villas in Bora-Bora, with ultra high speed internet, TWO big monitors (screens, not lizards), and some sort of arrangement made for a steady supply of fantastic low-carb food. And wine. And I am not humorless in the least!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
30. Hm. Bravery just might be relative ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:11 PM
Oct 2015

Djean, you're better than brave; you're adventurous! (Wonder if Bernie is adventurous?) I checked out glass-floored villas in Bora-Bora and got a vicarious spell of vertigo just gazing at them. Yes, they are extremely pretty with the turquoise water underneath, but I think it would take a very bright, free spirit to want to spend time in one.

I've come to think of bliss as an internal state elicited in moments of beauty, harmony, and connection (music, poetry, nature, contemplation, etc.) but the idea of looking around for blissful places to visit seems like an intriguing (and adventurous) way to put together a vacation trip. Thanks for the idea! Sorta sounds like you could be an ESTJ, or maybe ISTJ, on the Myers Briggs. Just a guess based on very little information.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
5. How many jobs will China and the other countries lose because of this?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:23 AM
Oct 2015

The way I see it ...they won't lose jobs ...we will. We're being sold out by the oligarchy. What? You thought our government was in control? Muhahahahahahah

 

coolepairc

(50 posts)
23. Against it
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

More of what we don't want or need and less of what we do need. The TTP will allow corporations and foreign investors (but not unions and others) to challenge national laws that protect the public interest and the sovereignty of countries. Just one example, Philip Morris is using the TTP framework to sue Uruguay to stop new anti-smoking regulations to improve public health. Sign the petition here to stop the TPP: http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/stop-the-trans-pacific

azmom

(5,208 posts)
7. Thank you Bernie for being the
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:38 AM
Oct 2015

Real champion of the American people. I will show my appreciation by donating today.

 

RealistComments

(20 posts)
10. 2016 elections
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

I think at this point the positions of the different candidates with respect to the TPP are:

Sanders: Opposed
Hillary: Support (even though she tries not to say so by giving straight answers)
Biden: Support (as part of the current Administration it is difficult to conclude otherwise)
Trump: Opposed
Carson: Support (could be wrong, is there any statement from him saying otherwise?)
Bush, Rubio, Cruz: Support

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
11. Another "STAR"
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:05 AM
Oct 2015

to paste on Obama's legacy. This is not even CLOSE to what used to be Democratic principles. Black president or corporate Trojan horse - what'll be his crown?

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
27. I think the Real Powers
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:16 PM
Oct 2015

Show up time to time to pass along their subtle (fear) message.
harmless now, but just think what really could have been done... type of stuff

remember these colorful people during the first months of the new admin
https://www.tmz.com/2012/08/21/michaele-tareq-salahi-divorced/

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
28. "....now I can focus on my race for governor of Virginia."
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:21 PM
Oct 2015

oh... for crap Sakes! He's sure to fit the (R)'s kind of classlessness
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
29. Yeah
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:55 PM
Oct 2015

the same sorta pressure Hillary is setting herself up for. We fell for "hope and change" . The change is gonna be evident once TPP is in place. The only "hope" I see is that Bernie manages to pull along enough dem legislators to end the tyranny of this miserable eight years. And, no I didn't mis-type. It's not six years - it's eight. There was the two years this administration SQUANDERED while they tried to erect a facade of nicey-nice with their opposition.
The final, fecal, in-your-face "accomplishment" is going to be this trade sellout. With SO MUCH corporate candy to be harvested, I doubt it can be side-tracked. In fact, it's probably one of - if not THE main - reason Boehner's sticking around for a few more weeks. So he can go out on an achievement as a feather in his cap.
We don't have representation. All we have are Special Interests dream teams we can cheer for as entertainment.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
15. Bernie is the only candidate speaking out for the people.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:26 AM
Oct 2015

If the people are aware of this and have any sense at all, they will support Bernie.

There are many bad things about TPP, but the one that most gives me the creeps is the provision that corporations can sue governments for loss of profits. NAFTA has a similar provision, and what it effectively does is render democratically elected governments unable to represent and defend their own people. It is an attack on the notion of sovereignty and places corporations over governments. That should not be allowed. Absolutely should not be. It is a naked power grab. The proliferation of treaties like this one are advancing the corporate domination of the world.

Very serious stuff.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
21. This "deal" sux's................................
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:03 PM
Oct 2015

this is totally outrageous, it's like, and it's already been proven, they just don't care-----------------------

And in the house they are going to give what, 2 minute speeches, I really don't know, but this will show just how mush these hypocrites think of us, 2 whole minutes or more of outrageous BS after the ninety day review.

over 60 % of the people don't and didn't like this "deal" anywhere, Canada, Australia, US for example.
It's like know one listened--------------and they didn't--------------except to get paid off with more bribe money

This "deal" started under Bush and finished with the current administration is just amazing, I feel that I have been at a snooker table,

Now what do you call this country Novocaine, or how about Citigroup U.S.



It like this new book that's out , there is a correlation:

https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/content/annihilation-nature





Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016





 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
22. How can anyone but a corporation find the TPP to be of any value?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

For the simple reason that ONLY corporations are allowed to bring suit under these type of agreements. NAFTA, and other corporate tools of control, give corporations an extra special court to bludgeon citizens with. No one else aside from a nation or corporation is allowed to use these agreements to get their complaints heard. Everyone else has to first convince a president, congress or other political person to bring their complaint to court. Why are corporations afforded yet another avenue to abuse citizens? It's not as if corporations and the rich who own them, are suffering or are unsuccessful.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
25. Someone please explain to me how I can, in good conscience, possibly vote for
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:40 PM
Oct 2015

another Third Way Presidential candidate in the GE, and not beat filled with self loathing for the rest of my life for doing so?

I can't do it.

I. Just. Fucking. Cannot. Do it.



silenttigersong

(957 posts)
26. Our limited Democracy
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:45 PM
Oct 2015

seems like a selection not an election.This is why Wall street does not care if it is a Bush or Clinton.If the TPP is delayed further into the next Presidency they sure do not want Bernie as Poutus.

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