I asked everyone to tell me the details of Hillary's economic plan.

[JDPriestly]

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=702811

I would like to see a point by point comparison of her plan with Bernie's. I don't think she explains where she is going to get the money for her plan. She seems to have the George H.W. Bush thousand points of light approach involving lots of voluntary support and requiring employers to pay the bills and agrees with Bernie on taxing short-term capital gains. She doesn't seem to be at all realistic about how you fund programs.

Could anyone do a real comparison of the Bernie and Hillary plans with a special emphasis on how they want to fund their plans. Hillary analyzes the problems facing us fairly well, but as one who has worked on raising money for a homeless project, I don't see much that is concrete and clear about how she will pay for the growth or her other suggestions. She wants the employers to foot the bill for family leave. That would mean employers would pay their absent employee plus pay for a substitute employee. That's a heavy burden.

Please tell me what you think and compare to Bernie's plans.

Here is a link to an article about Hillary's economic plan:

http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/Hillary_Economy.htm

Hillary's statement on her plan:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/

Here is a link to a speech by Hillary on her economic plan:

It's about an hour. She identifies our problems pretty well, but then in my view, she is very vague and weak.

Please discuss. It's important that we be able to contrast the plans and funding proposals of Bernie and Hillary.

Thanks for your input.

[pugetres]

1. I've listened for 15 mins.

I'll listen to the rest later if I think that I'll hear any policy changes come out of her mouth. She hits on our moans but she she isn't offering any solutions.

[djean111]

2. I read that yesterday, and all I could think of was "cut it out" and "I want to be your champion".

I don't think there will be actual, viable, plans - because a Third Wayer is not really going to follow through on them, and why have a bunch of you-tubed comments available for comparison to what was said and what really happened.
Yes, I am cynical, but corporatists never really do anything for the 99% that does not enrich the 1% even more. They just don't.

You know what is "funny" - all the RW talking points being flung about here, as "examples of what would happen to Bernie".
And at the same time, any criticism of Hillary is an attack, a smear, a RW talking point.

Hubris must either kill cognitive abilities, or kill the ability to recognize that others have cognitive abilities.
And that victim card (there must be a couple of decks of them!) seems to be snapped down an awful lot, as if we are expected to support Hillary merely because the GOP hates her. Feel protective or something. No, sorry, those are real lives that will be affected by her policies.

[SoapBox]

3. Yup!

She's the candidate of NO Change.

She will support the Big Banks...Billionaires...the War Machine...

It all makes me sick. And it's gotten to where it would gross me out to have "Willie" back in the White House again as well.

[Art_from_Ark]

4. I used to support the Clintons

Back in 1978, I was thrilled when Bill was elected as the "youngest governor in America". And I was thrilled when he was elected President, and even more thrilled to actually meet him and Hillary when they came back to Arkansas for a visit a few months into his presidency. I actually believed that Bill would implement some liberal reforms that would counteract all the shit that had been happening in the 12 years prior. I even stood up for him during that ridiculous impeachment circus. And Hillary railed about a "vast right-wing conspiracy".

But, damn, he signed some really gawdawful POS bills while in office, and then became buds with the Bushes, the same family that had stolen the 2000 election from his Vice President. And then Hillary, who witnessed that "vast right-wing conspiracy" steal the election from Al Gore, somehow was persuaded by the Bushes and Cheney and the rest of that rogues' gallery two years later that Iraq somehow posed an imminent threat to the US, even though for the 11 years previous it had been the most bombed, the most surveilled, the most sanctioned country in the world. And that, despite the best efforts of senators like Robert Byrd to convince her otherwise.

And Hillary's time at State, under the tutelage of Henry "Operation Condor" Kissinger, was marked by destabilization of Libya and laughing about starting a war against Iran, as well as a coup in Hondurus. Not to mention promoting the environmentally disastrous practice of fracking around the world, and calling the TPP the "gold standard in trade agreements".

And now, Hillary, who has spent 50 years involved in politics, still can't seem to decide where she stands on many bread-and-butter issues.

And that's why I want Bernie, a man who talks a great deal of sense, who puts his money where his mouth is, and has for the last several decades.

[JDPriestly]

6. Great post.

[JDPriestly]

8. In the speech at New School, she talks about setting up a commission, working with

the oligarchs . . . also about unions, but you can't have it all.

Hillary has to decide what side she is on.

With Obama we tried the cooperative approach to getting the oligarchs to support ordinary Americans' lives, decent future for all Americans.

We got no cooperation from Republicans who care about nothing but defunding government so that they can prove that it is incompetent.

That's the route to dictatorship-- defund the government, then ridicule it, then take it over.

That is the classic method for undermining democracy.

Also, Hillary needs to be asked more specific questions about the TPP and her role in it because in one of the documents I cite, she is credited with negotiating it. And now she says if they only change the wage and labor provisions, she will support it.

That is not good enough for me. I do not want the arbitration courts to enforce the TPP.

Our Constitution guarantees the option of a jury trial in cases over a certain amount. A jury trial is not required, but juries protect democracy. Juries are one of the mainstays of our democratic system.

That corporations are trying to circumvent our constitutional right to a jury trial by placing in trade agreements provisions that allow international "courts" with no jury of our peers to impose penalties on us if we don't do what the international "court" or the corporation wants could and would undermine our system of justice and our democracy.

I don't think Hillary understands certain relationships very well. She certainly does not understand the relationship between the wealthy and their money and the rest of us well at all.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

5. For me, with the Clintons --

it is not so much paying attention to what they say but how they plan on getting there. As a strident Bill Clinton supporter back in the day, I soon learned that the devil is in the details with him and, now, his wife -- such as Hillary's proposal to "strengthen" SS in a way that sounds like means testing. I have not heard or read of the specifics from Hillary's camp on much -- which makes me very, very nervous. I suspect that she will continue to talk in the broadest of strokes so that she has maximum maneuverability to chance her position later.

[JDPriestly]

7. Right.