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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:41 PM Oct 2015

now that brown has endorsed Hilary, how worried are you about Warren?

ed just said that if warren endorses hillary, "that would pretty much call it off for bernie, i really believe that."

he thinks that she will react in some way in the next few days

I have to say, if Warren sells us all out and endorses Hillary, which I can't imagine her doing, I will still vote for Bernie in the primary but I'm not sure about the general what I would do. The Sherrod Brown endorsement of Hillary and the possibility that Warren selling us up the river is the thing that just might convince me to stay home and find something else to do that day.

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now that brown has endorsed Hilary, how worried are you about Warren? (Original Post) restorefreedom Oct 2015 OP
I will continue to not give a fuck about endorsements. jeff47 Oct 2015 #1
i normally don't give a shit about endorsements restorefreedom Oct 2015 #2
I'm there with you restore swilton Oct 2015 #3
the crowds are with bernie for sure restorefreedom Oct 2015 #4
Fully agree. SoapBox Oct 2015 #5
As much as some of us will hate it Politicalboi Oct 2015 #6
i agree with most of what you just said restorefreedom Oct 2015 #9
+++++++++++ swilton Oct 2015 #11
Nothing pisses me off more than Pastiche423 Oct 2015 #34
I won't support those fredamae Oct 2015 #7
So... Bernie's viability hinges on ONE endorsement? That's fucking weird, isn't it? Speaking for AzDar Oct 2015 #8
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #17
With the primary still.....5 months away ? JackInGreen Oct 2015 #10
Not Worried At All colsohlibgal Oct 2015 #12
yeah. i am getting a rash of shit restorefreedom Oct 2015 #16
I'm a Brown supporter from Ohio, I unsubscribed and I told him why. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #19
i am not even from ohio and still feel like i was kicked in the gut restorefreedom Oct 2015 #22
No, he isn't 100%. I'm still searching for a heart of gold. Bernie is the closest I have found. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #24
i bet you are right about veep restorefreedom Oct 2015 #25
It wont be endorsements but grassroots legwork that will win this for Bernie snagglepuss Oct 2015 #13
true, and we knew the power structure restorefreedom Oct 2015 #23
I've got Bernie's back as long as he's willing to keep fighting dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #14
i wonder if she will try the middle road restorefreedom Oct 2015 #15
I am not worried about Warren Kalidurga Oct 2015 #18
We all know what Hillary is no matter what she says. Warren can't play dumb on this issue. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #20
Exactly I think they might be good friends Kalidurga Oct 2015 #21
She won't endorse the primaries for similar reasons that Obama won't endorse for the primary still_one Oct 2015 #26
^this^ Hiraeth Oct 2015 #32
It wouldn't change my vote, that's certain. arcane1 Oct 2015 #27
Not worried at all. I've always assumed that Warren will endorse Hillary. merrily Oct 2015 #28
Elizabeth Warren doesn't need Hillary's Good Opinion Demeter Oct 2015 #29
I think it is useful to know who your friends are. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #30
excellent post. nice quote too. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #31
this is a marathon not, a sprint. still, plenty of time. anything can happen Hiraeth Oct 2015 #33
Don’t give a rat’s ass dorkzilla Oct 2015 #35
thats the spirit! who hooo go bernie! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #36
Why do I care who the power players endorse? TBF Oct 2015 #37

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
1. I will continue to not give a fuck about endorsements.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:44 PM
Oct 2015

If I didn't care about them before, why would I care about them now?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
2. i normally don't give a shit about endorsements
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015

but the brown one was disheartening to me. I guess Warren being such a strong progressive, even to the point were many here would probably support her over Bernie, and have suggested she would be a great VP pick for him, if she sells out the way brown did, well, i just think it would be a huge blow to his momentum and many of his supporters. but your attitude is way better. just don't pay attention to them and keep going.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
3. I'm there with you restore
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

But it's not over until the fat lady sings as they say. I intend to fight the good fight until the bitter end...

Hillary's camp has so much $$ to throw around, I'm certain that they have organizations established to orchestrate these press releases and endorsements to the extent that they achieve the maximum p/r impact.

I don't for a minute believe Hillary is drawing the crowds or generating the enthusiasm that Sanders has - all of her photo ops disguise what the actual attendance is. I also don't believe that she has 'moved left'.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
4. the crowds are with bernie for sure
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:59 PM
Oct 2015

and if they come out on election day and aren't completely dejected and discouraged, and if votes are not suppressed, stolen, or switched by machines, maybe, just maybe, Bernie can pull this thing off. We will have to have such phenomenal numbers to overcome any efforts to tilt this towards Hillary. it will have to be overwhelming, like ants that takedown a mouse, and fwiw i hate that example (poor mouse).


SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. Fully agree.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

I will continue to support and will work for Bernie until it's all done next November.

I'm one of those that will not vote for her, period (I don't think she can win anyway) and am disgusted at the Entrenched Establishment types lining up for her...they have certainly drawn a line in the sand and now shown their true big money/big power alliance.

Noting as someone had posted...Brown's wife on FB is a big Hill drum beater...that says a lot right there.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
6. As much as some of us will hate it
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

We have to hold our nose and vote for Hillary in the GE if she's the nominee. Don't give up. Bernie can still be the nominee if we work hard. We all know Hillary will be tied down by some other scandal before too long. I don't get how that is a plus like the Benghazi e-mail hearings, but Hillary supporters seem to think so.

When the National Enquirer starts making headlines for Bernie like they do with Hillary, then it's time to worry.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
9. i agree with most of what you just said
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:04 PM
Oct 2015

except the nose holding. no more for me. Bernie or Stein will be my vote in the GE if Bernie is not the nominee.

not gonna vote for a shapeshifting, corp owned hawk. no, can do.

Pastiche423

(15,406 posts)
34. Nothing pisses me off more than
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:57 PM
Oct 2015

someone telling me I have to do something, especially when that something is to vote for Hillary.

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!

Fuck that noise.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
7. I won't support those
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

who support HRC at this point. Bernie will get my vote...no matter the polls, no matter the endorsements.
It's all a game..We're the Pawns....and I won't Support those who Insist on Not changing the eff'n game.
There's SEVEN Months before our primary...so, at this juncture...I agree with the poster above...I don't/Won't give two shits about what corpormedia says nor about the endorsements from politicians who can't wait. Anything, literally can happen in a Day....let alone the possibilities of what may come over the next Several Weeks/Months...
No, I don't agree that "it's gonna be all over by February"...until February actually arrives

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
8. So... Bernie's viability hinges on ONE endorsement? That's fucking weird, isn't it? Speaking for
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:03 PM
Oct 2015

myself, Jesus H Christ himself could swing on down and endorse Clinton, and I'd STILL vote for Bernie.
He is simply the best candidate, by far.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
10. With the primary still.....5 months away ?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

Baby Buddha could endorse Hill and I'd still vote Bernie in the primary.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
12. Not Worried At All
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

And quite disappointed in Sherrod, I can't understand why he did that, he has always seemed more aligned with Bernie.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. yeah. i am getting a rash of shit
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:35 PM
Oct 2015

on another thread for referring to him as weenie brown. granted that was a bit nasty, and I decided out of respect for Ohioans to change it to "opportunist brown."

no question though this definitely shows that the wagons are circling. I hope warren is staying strong.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. i am not even from ohio and still feel like i was kicked in the gut
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

although he does seem to have a mixe record endorsing or supporting establishment candidates, so I guess it's not a complete complete shock.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
24. No, he isn't 100%. I'm still searching for a heart of gold. Bernie is the closest I have found.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:06 PM
Oct 2015

I believe he has been offered that VP spot. Sherrod is very popular even with moderate Republicans of which Northern Ohio has quite a few. Sherrod would pull the party to the left.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. i bet you are right about veep
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:05 PM
Oct 2015

of course, i don't expect any apologies from those who accuse people calling it like they see it as throwing him under the bus.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
13. It wont be endorsements but grassroots legwork that will win this for Bernie
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

A lot can happen in five months especially within the AA and Latino communities. If Camp Weathervane were confident that endorsements is all it takes they'd be ignoring Bernie.

Furthermore no one can forget that this is the beginning of a movement to organize concerted opposition to the moneyed few who, to all intents and purposes, have taken control not only of government but also the DNC.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
14. I've got Bernie's back as long as he's willing to keep fighting
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

But the Warren endorsement will be a very large stone dropping in one direction or another. Has anyone tried contacting her staff? It wouldn't surprise me if she decides Hillary is the likely nominee and she doesn't want to be on the "outs". She has a lot more in common with Bernie, so we'll see. I've been disappointed she hasn't already been campaigning for him.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
15. i wonder if she will try the middle road
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

and not endorse at all.

that could sort of be saying something, too

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
18. I am not worried about Warren
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:22 PM
Oct 2015

I think if she endorses Hillary Clinton her popularity will tank. It would be a very bad move to advocate for breaking up the banks and other progressive policies then turn around and endorse someone who advocates corporate friendly policies. It doesn't add up and it will make her look like an opportunist to say the least.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
21. Exactly I think they might be good friends
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:27 PM
Oct 2015

But that doesn't mean that Warren can endorse Hillary when they don't see eye to eye on policy issues. That would be a complete reversal of everything she has been advocating for the last couple of years or so.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
26. She won't endorse the primaries for similar reasons that Obama won't endorse for the primary
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:08 PM
Oct 2015

Also no benefit for her to endorse.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
29. Elizabeth Warren doesn't need Hillary's Good Opinion
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:29 PM
Oct 2015

Sherrod Brown is probably hoping for the VP. Or superPAC money. Or any number of trivial reasons. Maybe he dislikes Bernie. Maybe he's not too bright, politically, and figures he will get more national attention sucking up to Hillary.

Who knows what rationalizations lurk in the hearts of politicians? The only reason I feel that I know Bernie is because he takes the political risks to work for the People, and always has. That's a track record. That's intensity. That's integrity.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
30. I think it is useful to know who your friends are.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:05 PM
Oct 2015

This election is not just about electing Bernie, it is about building a movement. A movement is about more than leaders, it is about us all being leaders and taking an active role. When certain politicians expose themselves as being defenders of the status quo rather than being part of the movement then I will no longer see them as being sincere or be interested in their views.

17 Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

This movement will not be stopped but some will be left behind in shame.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
35. Don’t give a rat’s ass
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

All that matters to me is how his message resonates with me, and that I think he’s the candidate we’ve been waiting for since FDR.

Endorsements mean nothing except to those who are giving and receiving as far as I’m concerned.

I will still vote for Bernie in the primary, come what may.

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