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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:32 AM Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders is in big trouble: You don’t have to be a neoliberal shill to see the cold, hard fact

I'M POSTING THIS FOR DISCUSSION--NOT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH IT

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/bernie_sanders_is_in_big_trouble_you_dont_have_to_be_a_neoliberal_shill_to_see_the_cold_hard_facts/#comments

...But if you want to know any of the reasons why Sanders is in trouble, you can start with the news yesterday that Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown has endorsed Clinton. As Matt Yglesias points out, Brown would be perhaps the most natural endorsement for Sanders in the entire Senate. He is an old-school liberal, pro-union and anti-free trade. Ideologically and personally, he and the senator from Vermont are very close. They have worked together on writing and introducing legislation as recently as earlier this month.

Yet Brown joined 33 of his Senate colleagues who have already endorsed Clinton. From a pragmatic political viewpoint, the move makes sense. Brown has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential candidate for Clinton. He represents that most swinging swing state of Ohio, which makes his being on the ticket very attractive for her and the party. If he stays in the Senate, he’s up for re-election in the 2018. Since getting Democratic voters out to the polls in the midterms is always tough, an endorsement from President Hillary Clinton could be very helpful. Not to mention the money that the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee will be more likely to contribute to his campaign.

In terms of the Bernie Sanders campaign for president though, Brown’s endorsement is another sign that Sanders is being beaten in the invisible primary for the Democratic nomination. And winning the invisible primary is still a hugely important step for a Democrat, one that the Vermont senator has either neglected or just flat-out lost. For anyone unfamiliar with the term “invisible primary,” here is a pretty good explainer. In brief, the invisible primary is the conversation that takes place between different factions and leaders of a party in the year leading up to the start of voting in Iowa. This conversation results in the party starting to coalesce behind a front-runner. If there is more than one strong candidate, this can go all the way up to the convention. If there is only one clear front-runner, the party will start lining up early behind him or her.

This is what has happened with Hillary Clinton. Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight has been keeping track of endorsements with this chart, which makes it starkly clear just how much of a lead Clinton has over Sanders in that area. Something to keep in mind is that many of those endorsers (including Sherrod Brown) are superdelegates, who are free to pledge their support to a candidate regardless of how the voting went in their state’s primary. Two months ago, Bloomberg reported that Clinton had already unofficially locked up commitments from 440 of the approximately 713 superdelegates who will cast ballots at next summer’s Democratic convention...

SINCE NONE OF THOSE DELEGATES ARE CEMENTED IN PLACE, AND SINCE THE CLINTON FOUNDATION IS IN DEEP DOO-DOO, I REFUSE TO ACCEPT DEFEAT BEFORE THE BATTLE HAS EVEN STARTED.

AND WHILE THE PARTY MAY THINK IT'S IN CHARGE OF THE PROCESS, THEY HAVE ANOTHER THINK COMING. IT'S OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, AND AS DEMOCRATS, THEY BETTER START ACTING LIKE IT.

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Bernie Sanders is in big trouble: You don’t have to be a neoliberal shill to see the cold, hard fact (Original Post) Demeter Oct 2015 OP
The establishment endorsed Clinton in 2008 also, and then switched when-- eridani Oct 2015 #1
The 34 Senators who have endorsed Hillary have exactly 34 votes between them. Meanwhile .. Scuba Oct 2015 #2
+100%! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #6
Screw that - TBF Oct 2015 #3
It is all about creating doubt and discouragement n2doc Oct 2015 #4
I will Never vote for HRC. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #5
The next president will probably appoint a supreme court justice. pennylane100 Oct 2015 #7
Absolutely not, I have a whole ballot to attend to, I'll just write in Mickey Mouse on the top line TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #9
If Bernie is not the nominee, the GOP will likely win. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #10
Ditto. K&R nt TBF Oct 2015 #12
hilariously the aggregates show Clinton's boost is solely from ex-Biden backers, MisterP Oct 2015 #8
They're mostly the go-along-get-along crowd - LiberalElite Oct 2015 #11

TBF

(32,006 posts)
3. Screw that -
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:13 AM
Oct 2015

It isn't over yet and the Austinites here in Texas are usually able to get enough signatures to put the green candidates on the ballot. Maybe we can do the same with Bernie as an Indy if we have to.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. It is all about creating doubt and discouragement
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:11 AM
Oct 2015

Since the Debate and Hearings there has been a concerted push by the media and HRC to spread the inevitable meme. We all knew this would happen. The trick is to keep enthusiasm up, keep talking to people, and encourage them to vote for the person they agree with most, not to change votes because of 'lost cause' or 'throwaway' or 'Nader!'.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
5. I will Never vote for HRC.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

Her record of voter suppression in North Carolina in 2008 is straight out of the Nixon-Rove-Atwater playbook!

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
7. The next president will probably appoint a supreme court justice.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:26 PM
Oct 2015

If the choice is between Hillary and a anti choice candidate who wants to disenfranchise all people of color and take away laws that protect those LGBT community,. Not to mention try to roll back Obamacare and slash disability and social security and medicare, would you really sit that one out.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
9. Absolutely not, I have a whole ballot to attend to, I'll just write in Mickey Mouse on the top line
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:28 PM
Oct 2015

if need be.

I'm tired of rolling out the hostages to justify the looting, pillaging, and working relentlessly with the enemy to make us subjects rather than citizens.

I'm real sick of folks pretending my vote is valued other than to prop up the favored flavors of conservatism and fascism and as a hostage to whip fear to maintain power.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
10. If Bernie is not the nominee, the GOP will likely win.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

But I am spared a moral dilemma because I live in a red state. So I am voting for Bernie in the GE, regardless. If Hillary is the nominee, I will likely leave the Party and work for revolution.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
8. hilariously the aggregates show Clinton's boost is solely from ex-Biden backers,
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:11 PM
Oct 2015

while Sanders actually didn't have a real lag at all and his backing surged faster than ever after Benghazi!!!111

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. They're mostly the go-along-get-along crowd -
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015

no wonder they're not endorsing Bernie. Quelle surprise. Fcuk 'em.

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