Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumIn new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush NOV 11
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-bothIn a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41. The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points. The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.
It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election. It would be equally shocking if future polling shows that the Sanders lead over Bush remains at landslide margins.
For today, there are two issues these polls present. First, the national reporting of the presidential campaign completely fails to reflect Sanders's strength in a general election, especially against Trump, and against Bush as well. Second, and perhaps more important, Sanders's strength in general election polling gives credence to the argument I have been making in recent years, that American voters favor progressive populist positions which, if taken by Democrats in the general election, would lead to a progressive populist Democratic president and far greater Democratic strength in Congress.
It is a fallacy argued by conservatives and, in my view, inaccurately parroted by the mainstream media, that Sanders and other liberals take positions that are far too "left." The polling shows, issue by issue, and increasingly in general election match-ups of Republicans running against Sanders, that it is the left, not the right, which has the upper hand with American voters.
Budowsky was an aide to former Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-Texas) and former Chief Deputy Majority Whip Bill Alexander (D-Ark.). He holds an LL.M. degree in international financial law from the London School of Economics. Contact him at brentbbi@webtv.net.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)be posted elsewhere too....
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I believe that it should be posted in other forums.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)I have better things to do with my time and energy than leap into snake pits.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Well, actually I read it, but you know what I mean.
For months, I stuck relatively closely to the Bernie Group.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)My guess is that Bernie's numbers will be stronger.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I don't get it. And probably never will. He smoked her. And her answer on Wall street was nothing more than Clinton fluff. Everyone fell for it. I mean, how could she possibly get applause for her answer? It's quite sad to see what is going on.
merrily
(45,251 posts)with Hillary supporters.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)The deck is stacked. It's quite obvious. And it's backed up by the corrupt SPAC politicians, and the corrupt media.
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)The poll shows Sanders +12 over Trump and +10 over Bush
The headline claims the above is a shock but CNN and NBC had recently shown Sanders +9 over Trump and he's been as high as +21
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
It also shows Clinton +15 over Trump and +8 over Bush
The headline and article are a little odd to me
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and needs a hair stylist...lol
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)But we have to get past the oligarch on the democratic side.
I trust her about as far as I can throw my house.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)But..but...but....He's UNELECTABLE!!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The only way we draw the line on this corporate puppet is if we all show up at our local caucuses to vote in the primary.
At that moment, we can expose the lie of her oddly overwhelming popularity.
Otherwise, the narrative the corporate media has been pushing becomes reality and The Swarm will dance on the grave of the Sander's Campaign and welcome this travesty of human governance.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I mean, it's as bad as being a nazi, right?
senz
(11,945 posts)When it gets down to it, he'll be more electable than Hillary because a) his message appeals to working class Americans, and b) he doesn't have the baggage of his Democratic opponent.
If the DNC weren't in the bag for Clinton, they'd be smart to throw their wholehearted support to Bernie.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)had a Bernie sticker on it. The driver was waiting for his son to come out from basketball practice. This was at the local middle school. I stopped and told him, "great sticker." He stated that he had seen my Bernie 2016 sticker on my rear window and parked next to me so people could see at least two Bernie supporters. We had a short conversation and the thing I took away was that if Hillary wins, he will not vote for the top of the ticket, but vote for the bottom of the ticket,leaving President blank. He was even thinking of Bernie as a write-in. He brought up Goldman-Sachs, the support for the Iraq War and the recent comment about Wall Street.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)She's going to lose. She will never be President.
Duval
(4,280 posts)more time to be heard, his supporters will continue to grow in numbers. This is good news indeed.