Dr. Maddow is now arguing that Hillary looks to be un-electable.

[Motown_Johnny]

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(Cross posting from GDP since I expect more useful comments here.)



Maybe she didn't realize it at the time, but that is what she did. If you watch the first segment of her show last night (1/11/16) she spends a lot of time on JEB's negative net favorable rating. She argues that because his negative numbers keep going up and that his positive numbers keep going down that this is a "fatal disease for politicians". Please note that the numbers she are using are 45% negative and 44% positive among Independents and Republicans nationwide. A total net negative of 1% is enough for her to label this as a "fatal disease".

Link to video: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show (The good stuff starts at about 4:30.)

She goes on to argue that the overall trajectory is stark and therefore it can't be argued that just one "contextual dynamic" is causing this.


Now look at Hillary's chart. These are national numbers so they apply to the General Election, not her winning the nomination.





http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating


If we apply the same standard, which we should, then clearly Hillary is a lost cause. Again, the trajectory is such that it can't be argued that this is simply one contextual dynamic at work. The more she campaigns the worse she does. Her "fatal disease" is killing her candidacy and we should all wake up to that fact.

Or we can apply some double standard to Hillary, although that makes no sense at all.

Or we can argue with Dr. Maddow, which I am not qualified to do.


Your thoughts? I am thinking of sending an email, she says she actually reads them and she will have Sec. Clinton on the show in a couple of days. I would love to see this topic discussed. Given that her campaign has recently released a video showing a bunch of scary scary (R)s and claiming that she is the only one who can beat them (although polls show that Bernie does better against them than she does) it seems reasonable that she address these facts.

[libdem4life]

1. Dr. Maddow ... I love it !!!!!

[Motown_Johnny]

2. She holds a doctorate in politics from Oxford

She has earned the title. I like to use it when referring to her on topics that relate directly to her degree.

[mahina]

3. I love her. My whole family watches her.

Thanks for that. I'll call her Dr. Maddow.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. I tend to call her Rachel too, she is just so lovable.

But she was speaking on a subject directly related to her doctorate, so I used the proper title.

[libdem4life]

7. I forgot that...she's just Rachel...but I like Dr. Maddow better...have to add MSNBC for some.

Thanks for the reminder.

[eridani]

16. On her old radio show, the lead-n comment to "ask DR Maddow" was

She's really a doctor! Just not THAT kind of doctor.

[libdem4life]

17. Sorry, did you think I meant Medical Doctor? She has a PhD I thought.

[eridani]

19. Yes--she was joking about that.

If you have a PhD, you never want "Dr." on your plane ticket. If someone has a heart attack the flight attendants might just ask you to help.

[libdem4life]

20. I get it, and she's probably right. That would be Awkward.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. OOPS! I bet she didn't mean to do that!

To be fair, one must apply the same standard to Clinton as was applied to Jeb, right? If we really want to be fair, and I certainly do!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[corkhead]

5. Funny I listened to that show last night and there was no mention of this interesting tidbit.

it was mostly wall to wall republicon primary coverage but she did take time to say that Hillary was going to be on her show.

[Motown_Johnny]

11. She didn't discuss Hillary's favorable numbers

I assume it was an honest oversight.

I am the one using the standard set for JEB to Hillary. This is on me.

[Nyan]

6. Has someone talked to Nate Silver yet?

I wonder what he would say after seeing Bernie overtaking Hillary in IW.

[libdem4life]

9. Me, too.

[Vincardog]

8. What happends if it is a Jeb v Hillary race? We all lose

[libdem4life]

10. Not going to happen...cancel the thought...think positively that we leave the Oligarchy

where it belongs...and it's not in the Democratic Party. Let the Republicans have it.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. JEB can't run from his name and he can't run on his name.

His candidacy was never viable, it is just that the money machine in the Republican party was not capable of grasping that simple fact.

[LiberalElite]

15. Heh.

Can't run from it and can't run on it.

[Betty Karlson]

14. Can't dispute your words.

You are spot on: the GE is lost with Clinton on top of the ticket. And only collective cognitive dissonance keeps the elite from admitting it.

[aspirant]

18. Favorable rating?

IMO, it sounds a little strange to be in favor of people, more apt to be in favor of things

I think the category should be: Do you like them or wish they would just go away