Woman shouts 'you can hug and kiss me any time' to Joe Biden at presidential campaign rally

[highplainsdem]

Tweet from the UK paper The Independent, minutes ago, with video.

You have to see Biden's reaction...

Link to tweet

[Siwsan]

1. Joe is absolutely priceless!!

[still_one]

77. My exact thoughts

[samnsara]

2. i want a t shirt: JOE CAN HUG N KISS ME ANYTIME...

...a hell of a lot better than the Deplorables shirts said trump can grab their p***y...

[NurseJackie]

3. That's not helpful.

It brings to mind the tacky and classless "you can grab my pussy" t-shirts and signs.

What good purpose does it serve for her to have said that?

[LongtimeAZDem]

4. I have to agree with you

[hlthe2b]

6. Yes.. the call outs are tacky. I think the sentiment may be pretty broadly out there, though.

[uawchild]

7. That's not helpful at all actually

Could that woman have been a republican plant trying to keep this meme alive?

[highplainsdem]

9. That woman identified herself to an NBC reporter as Libby Peterson. I haven't been able to find any

other info on her.

Link to tweet

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/woman-tells-biden-rally-you-can-hug-kiss-me-anytime-n1002986

[woodsprite]

78. Libby is a nickname for Elizabeth. nt

[LibFarmer]

26. Think of the positive

One doesn't have to go looking for a dark cloud every time one sees a silver lining.

[highplainsdem]

8. I'm sorry, but there's no way "You can hug me" equates with "You can grab my pussy."

[DownriverDem]

13. Thank you

Some folks are just trying too hard to attack Joe. I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket.

[NurseJackie]

16. Actually...

I'm sorry, but there's no way "You can hug me" equates with "You can grab my pussy."

Actually, what she said was "you can hug and kiss me any time".

And, what I actually said was: that not helpful, and that I thought it was tacky and classless. I also asked what good purpose it served. How is it helpful to pick at the scab and proclaim a great big "fuck-you" to reasonable people who did (and still do) find his overly affectionate (albeit "harmless'') behavior to be cringeworthy.

3. That's not helpful.
It brings to mind the tacky and classless "you can grab my pussy" t-shirts and signs.
What good purpose does it serve for her to have said that?

Look, I'm with you on the fact that it's been overplayed and that he meant no harm... it's just a loving and affectionate guy. Sure. We're on the same page. But not everyone feels that way, and those who don't have legitimate concerns and shouldn't be dismissed. And then there are those who don't care one way or the other, who haven't been paying attention... who'd likely forget the whole thing (or allow it to go unnoticed entirely) EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS WOMAN who insist on "making it a thing".

So, what good purpose does it serve?

[highplainsdem]

19. From what I've seen on social media, Biden's opponents on both left and right haven't stopped

sniping at him over this. When I search for the name Biden alone or with various keywords, I keep seeing the same discredited charges, the same misinterpreted or even photohopped images, popping up.

So I don't think it hurts that Libby Peterson made her own feelings about this clear.

And I think Biden's reaction was funny and perfect, and that will help.

[NurseJackie]

21. All I can tell you is that Ms. Peterson isn't helping anything.

So I don't think it hurts that Libby Peterson made her own feelings about this clear.

Yes, and that's the most important thing, I guess. She has the "right" to speak her mind about whatever she feels, regardless of the fallout.

Sadly, in the process of making "her own feelings clear" in such a public way, there are probably countless people who have now been introduced to the "controversy" for the first time... who are asking "what's THAT about?" And who'll get someone's version of what it was about... and who may have their opinions of Biden tainted as a result.

All I can tell you is that Ms. Peterson isn't helping anything.

And I think Biden's reaction was funny and perfect, and that will help.

Actually, what will "help" is if people like Ms. Peterson stop bringing it up unnecessarily. Honestly, it serves no good purpose. It's classless and tacky.

[LibFarmer]

28. I don't think it will hurt Biden

His hugging and kissing has been in the public eye for a long time and Lucy Flores did make headlines and lead stories for several days so it is baked in.

This gesture serves to pooh pooh all that brouhaha and showcases how harmless Joe Biden is.

[NurseJackie]

29. Why not just let it die? These types of constant reminders...

Why not just let it die? These types of constant reminders only serve to keep it alive. I think it would just fade away otherwise. This woman isn't helping anything.

This gesture serves to pooh pooh all that brouhaha and showcases how harmless Joe Biden is.

That's one way to look at it. That's the message, obviously. But does it actually have that effect? Or are there other negative and unintended consequences from people CONSTANTLY bringing it up over and over?

I had to chuckle to myself when I recently read someone suggest that we should "move on" by defending and encouraging behavior like this which is clearly the furthest thing from "moving on" that there could be.

[LibFarmer]

31. Letting is die is not in Biden's

or anyone else's hands.

[NurseJackie]

34. Oh please!

You know perfectly well that's not what I'm talking about. What IS in our hands is the acceptance and encouragement and validation of those who insist on continually bringing up this kind of shit.

[LibFarmer]

56. Oh ... I misunderstood

I agree with you actually now that I got it.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. So, how can he let it die?

Not hold rallies? Admonish the woman in front of the world about how trivial she's being? It's not like Joe got up there and made a joke like a few weeks ago.

[NurseJackie]

33. Defending and encouraging this type of tacky behavior...

Admonish the woman in front of the world about how trivial she's being?

That's an excellent start.

It's not like Joe got up there and made a joke like a few weeks ago.

The time for "jokes" is over. It's passed. Let it fucking die!

Defending and encouraging this type of tacky behavior (as is now being done) is of no help and it serves no good purpose.

[Drunken Irishman]

35. Yes. Humiliating a woman in front of a crowd is a real winner.

That'll go over well. Embarrassing a woman who likely was just trying to be cute, in front of a large crowd, and to what would likely turn out to be a television audience, is about the dumbest response he could have done. It wouldn't change anything. It'd just make him look like a dick.

[NurseJackie]

36. Did I say that?

Humiliating a woman in front of a crowd is a real winner.

Oh, good god! Did I say that?

It's HERE (and other internet venues, platforms) that she's being cheered-on and encouraged and validated. She doesn't deserve "high-fives" and "atta-girls".

Embarrassing a woman who likely was just trying to be cute, in front of a large crowd,

Let her "be cute" in the rope-line... privately... or during the meet and greets and photos.

is about the dumbest response he could have done. It wouldn't change anything. It'd just make him look like a dick.

Nobody is suggesting that, except you.

[Drunken Irishman]

37. Yes. Yes you did.

Admonish the woman in front of the world about how trivial she's being?

That's an excellent start.

How does one do that without putting her on blast?

It's HERE (and other internet venues, platforms) that she's being cheered-on and encouraged and validated. She doesn't deserve "high-fives" and "atta-girls".

You're confused. Or you're replying to the wrong thread. My question was how HE (Biden) could let it die. Your response is the context of that comment, so, don't roll your eyes at me for pointing out the silliness of your argument. we weren't talking about internet venues or DU - I was specifically talking about how BIDEN can let it die.

You can re-read my post here since you're confused:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=111235

But if you don't want to click it, I'll post it:

32. So, how can he let it die?

Not hold rallies? Admonish the woman in front of the world about how trivial she's being? It's not like Joe got up there and made a joke like a few weeks ago.

Your response to the part in bold:

That's an excellent start.

So, yeah, you did say that. Unless you feel he could admonish her IN FRONT OF THE WORLD without utterly humiliating her by putting her on blast.

[NurseJackie]

42. You're seeing what you want to see.

That's an excellent start. It's absolutely an excellent start... RIGHT HERE where all the "high-fives" and "atta-girls" are coming from.

You can re-read my post here since you're confused:

Oh good lord. I haven't insulted you. Why are you insulting me? You may not agree with me, but that's no reason to insult my intelligence or mental state.

But if you don't want to click it, I'll post it:

GMAFB! I know what I said. And you know perfectly well that the accusations being hurled at me are just pretzel twisting and misinterpretation of what I actually said.

Unless you feel he could admonish her IN FRONT OF THE WORLD without utterly humiliating her

Not once did I say that HE (Biden) should do anything. It's OUR reactions and encouragements that infuriate me. There's no good reason to encourage this type of classless and tacky behavior. It only encourages others to do the same. It only keeps this front and center when it needs to be forgotten and put behind us.

I think it's astounding that anyone could suggest that we "move on" yet in the same post, ALSO defend this crap and encourage more of the same? How exactly does that allow people, Biden, and the party to "move on"??? (It doesn't.)

Her "cuteness" was unnecessary and harmful... and our response to it only AMPLIFIES the harm.

"Putting her on blast" makes no sense to me. I don't know what this means, so I can't respond... but whatever it is, I'm sure it has nothing to do with what I actually said.

[Drunken Irishman]

67. lol you think it's an excellent start to humiliate someone...

That's just sad. We're not talking about DU. I specifically told you this was about Biden and what he could do. Calling her out would have made it a much bigger issue and made him look like a dick.

[NurseJackie]

68. If Biden can learn and grow and change, then it would serve him well if his supporters did the same.

you think it's an excellent start to humiliate someone...

Yes, bad behavior should be shamed. Exactly. His supporters and all decent people should be the ones to do it. Reject the classless and tacky behavior that we saw in that outburst. Don't encourage it. It serves no good purpose.

Calling her out would have made it a much bigger issue and made him look like a dick.

For the last time: Not once did I say that HE (Biden) should do anything. It's OUR reactions and encouragements that infuriate me. There's no good reason to encourage this type of classless and tacky behavior. It only encourages others to do the same. It only keeps this front and center when it needs to be forgotten and put behind us.

Put it to bed and quit taunting and ridiculing the people that his odd behavior was a trigger for. It's now national news: The Independent, twitter, CBS. The whole thing starts all over again because of one loudmouth who's trying to be "cute". It serves no good purpose to encourage that type of behavior.

Cut it out.

[NurseJackie]

72. Not calling for Biden to do it from the podium as you implied.

I stand by my words. Her outburst was classless and a lapse of good judgement. It should be rejected, not encouraged.

[Drunken Irishman]

73. Mhm. So you have no point, then.

[NurseJackie]

74. ...

[NurseJackie]

75. PS: ...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. You make an excellent point... I get it.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[highplainsdem]

38. "That's an excellent start"??? You would have had him START with admonishing (scolding) her?

Wow. That would have made him look like a pompous ass.

Have you EVER seen ANYONE on a stage respond to anyone in the audience shouting something like that with a sanctimonious lecture?

Do you think that would somehow have helped Biden?

Btw, what should he have followed the scolding with, since you thought that was just a start? Should he have asked her to take classes in Faux Outrage 101 taught by Lucy Flores? Or maybe asked her to wear a black armband for at least a year to show solidarity with the women who came forward with those ridiculous and apparently politically motivated complaints about him?

[NurseJackie]

43. I never said that and you know it. WE are the ones encouraging it...

You would have had him START with admonishing (scolding) her?

I never said that and you know it. WE (collectively) are the ones encouraging it and we should instead be DISCOURAGING it. Not cheering. Not high-fiving. Not giving kudos.

The rest of your post applies to nothing.

If given a chance, this shit would die on its own. Why continue to feed it? Why encourage this type of classless and tacky behavior. It's not "cute". It just keeps it in the headlines.

[highplainsdem]

46. You DID say that, as Drunken Irishman pointed out.

You were responding to his reply 32:

So, how can he let it die?

Not hold rallies? Admonish the woman in front of the world about how trivial she's being? It's not like Joe got up there and made a joke like a few weeks ago.

Your response, the one I was responding to in my message above, was reply 33:

Defending and encouraging this type of tacky behavior...

Admonish the woman in front of the world about how trivial she's being?

That's an excellent start.

It's not like Joe got up there and made a joke like a few weeks ago.

The time for "jokes" is over. It's passed. Let it fucking die!

Defending and encouraging this type of tacky behavior (as is now being done) is of no help and it serves no good purpose.

Drunken Irishman was clearly asking what Joe Biden should do, and you said that admonishing the woman in front of the world would be an excellent start.

Then, when he responded to that, you denied you'd said it. As you're doing now, after I responded to what you said.

Sigh.

Btw, I don't see anyone here encouraging this behavior.

And if you think a DU discussion keeps something in the headlines...

[NurseJackie]

48. This is absurd. I can't be any clearer than I've already been.

This is absurd. I can't be any clearer than I've already been. You're on your own from here on out.

And if you think a DU discussion keeps something in the headlines...

This was on twitter, the Independent and all over the internet. Not just here.

Btw, I don't see anyone here encouraging this behavior.

Right. Uh-huh.

[Demsrule86]

55. He is 30 or 40 points ahead and it will never end for those on the right and those who support other

candidates...so I think humor helps.

[NurseJackie]

60. Humor is dismissive to those who want to be heard. I think they can be heard without...

Humor is dismissive to those who want to be heard. I think they can be heard without "selling out" Biden. It's not just "those on the right" ... there are Biden supporters who found his overly-affectionate nuzzling and sniffing and caressing to be entirely inappropriate and cringe-inducing. Now I'll say that his behavior didn't bother ME the same way it bothers others, but at the same time, I'm not going to be dismissive or ridicule their feelings with humor. Many of those same individuals are very pleased that Biden has taken it as a teaching moment, a learning moment, and that he'll endeavor to be a better man and human being. I just find it astonishing that among his supporters are a handful who refuse to accept that as being a positive thing, and who apparently aren't satisfied with allowing people to find personal satisfaction and comfort in knowing that they were heard... and that their voices made a difference. Instead it's just the opposite. The ones who were content in being heard are now being ridiculed and mocked. How exactly does that help anything? They were ready to move on... but aren't being allowed to. What purpose does that serve?

[Glimmer of Hope]

49. Yep. Not the same thing.

Geez...

[bullwinkle428]

10. Sad to say - that thought crossed my mind as well.

I'm not blaming Joe for it at all; I just can't think it's all that helpful.

[DownriverDem]

14. Come on

I find it funny. He's a great guy.

[DownriverDem]

11. Not to me

She meant it. Those of us who have followed Joe for years know he never meant any harm. It's others pushing their views of him that are so wrong.

[loyalsister]

24. Exactly my first thought

It also ridicules women who would dare suggest a well liked man made her feel uncomfortable when it did not involve violent rape.

[hlthe2b]

5. I'd bet he gets a lot more of that... The women with whom I've spoken about this (older than 20s)

have all felt angry that true sexual misbehavior had been conflated with a mere innocent touch. I have pointed out that sensitivity to touch and approach was likely more common now, given the number of autistic spectrum people among us and those who have experienced sexual assault... While that did get some nods of understanding, the majority had issues with women willingly approaching the VP, yet being uncomfortable expressing a simple request not to hug or touch. Maybe I understand the latter a bit more, having worked with victims of violence in prior times of my life, but there is certainly some backlash to what has happened, at least in my limited circles.

BTW, I'm not saying this is limited to those in their 30s, 40s, 50s--just that I haven't had any opportunity to discuss it with those in their 20s (or younger).

[DownriverDem]

12. He meant no harm

and has gotten the message. Let's all move on now, okay?

[hlthe2b]

15. No he clearly didn't and I think that is what has some women so upset about it all.

I think it is also a lesson for the media. Women are not all thinking in "lockstep" and should not be treated as a monolith.

[NurseJackie]

18. How can people "all move on now" when loudmouth...hecklers like her keep bringing it up?

Let's all move on now, okay?

How can people "all move on now" when loudmouth attention-seeking hecklers like her keep bringing it up? What good purpose does it serve?

Why defend or encourage things like this? It only keeps it at the forefront... it only serves as a reminder of what was said before... and for those who happened to be completely unaware the first time around, it just MAKES them aware.

How is this a good thing?

[Celerity]

23. +1

[Polly Hennessey]

52. A hug from Joe is always good.

[NurseJackie]

53. Whether it's wanted or not, eh?

[JI7]

70. not for all.

[Beatleman]

17. My Wife & I

would welcome a hug or kiss from Him,,,Anytime

[WeekiWater]

20. Don't insert yourself into a political campaign with something like this.

It's just not cool. I get that a lot of people are upset about how Biden was attacked and the mockery many of those attacks made of the metoo movement but this isn't the most helpful thing. It's become a positive for Biden but it's not helpful to society as a whole.

[Demsrule86]

57. It is extremely helpful to society if those who abuse ME TOO like the Biden accusers stop doing

this and using it for political advantage or whatever. It should be for those women who have suffered sexual assault (me) and/ or sexual harassment. Such despicable women like Flores and the others have an agenda, and they hurt the real victims. They should be ashamed as this sort of thing will destroy Me TOO.

[WeekiWater]

58. This won't stop anything. Won't have an impact on anything.

It’s borderline insignificant. Let Biden have the stage.

[Demsrule86]

59. That is what I mean...these false accusations hurt the movement but apparently thankfully do not

hurt a decent man like Joe...it ruined Al Franken. And I am sick of it.

[ucrdem]

62. Yes. And as you pointed out, it won't die naturally

because it never lived naturally. It was a hit job, and the RW noise machine is going to beat that dead mule 24/7 once the race is on.

[WeekiWater]

63. Understandable.

From the beginning I have said that Biden is one of the best men you will find. He has some patriarchal tendencies but his closeness and compassion knows no gender. From early on I said the attacks would help him. People hat seeing a very good person attacked. Add the appearance of the attacks being coordinated and how they became more and more overblown it was guaranteed to help him. Pissed me off. I was not in his corner before the attacks.

[Demsrule86]

87. I always liked him as I met him and got one of his hugs in fact,

He is a good man and a great campaigner. I worked both. the 2008 and 2012 elections. Biden helped a great deal with Ohio and the rustbelt.

[ecstatic]

83. +1000. nt

[MineralMan]

22. I thought he handled it just fine.

That's just my opinion, of course.

[highplainsdem]

25. So did I. And it wasn't just our opinion. You could tell from the

laughter that people there weren't upset about it, and they loved his response.

[NurseJackie]

30. I think it's safe to assume that the folks who would attend a Biden event...

You could tell from the laughter that people there weren't upset about it,

I think it's safe to assume that the folks who would attend a Biden event (at this early stage) are likely to be strong or enthusiastic Biden supporters, in the first place. Therefore, I think it's a mistake to try and use reaction of that particular crowd as a way to measure the sentiments of the rest of the electorate.

Why give anyone any reason to be unenthusiastic about our party's nominee (if he ends up being the nominee)?

[Blue Owl]

27. I hate to sound cynical

But these days there could easily be a Jacob Wohl-level operative looking for Diamond Joe to make a little error they could inflate into a giant smear campaign...

[ucrdem]

40. It sure got into the papers in a hurry

Very good point.

[ucrdem]

39. I think it was probably meant to show support

The issue is already out there so I don't see the harm. And Joe had the perfect response.

[highplainsdem]

41. +1,000,000

[NurseJackie]

44. Why encourage it? Why excuse it?

I don't see the harm.

The harm is that it's a constant reminder that keeps stories like this in the "headlines" an in the front of people's minds. It's a distraction. Why encourage it? Why excuse it?

She was already "showing support" by attending. If she had to say anything, she should have done it privately. Aside from that she's just an attention-seeking heckler.

[ucrdem]

45. I think what she was saying was, we're with you

and we never bought that bill of goods. It might have sounded at first like a heckle, but I don't think it was. And Joe gave about the best possible response.

[NurseJackie]

50. She may very well have been. But...

I think what she was saying was, we're with you

She may very well have been. But the effects of that (and those who "atta-girl" and "high-five" and "fist-pump" in response to her heckling is more harmful than helpful.

This is a story that's ready to die on its own. Except for the fact that some people refuse to let it die... instead they'd rather pour salt in the wounds of people who ARE still upset about Biden's behavior. You can include me among those who argue "it was harmless" and "he didn't know better (but now he does)" ... but I think it's exceedingly important to stop being so dismissive of those who continue to believe otherwise... those who deeply and sincerely find it to be offensive and invasive.

It's been my observations that most of those individuals have been willing to "let it go" and hope that the wounds heal... or to simply remain silent and take-one-for-the-team. If ONLY we didn't have offensive and tacky and classless hecklers like that trying to remind us if it... and if only we didn't have folks (here and elsewhere on the internet) cheering her on and validating it.

That kind of behavior isn't helping. It only serves to create resentment and distrust among many who have strong feelings about this subject.

Just let it die. You can't "move on" if people keep talking about it and if people keep encouraging others to talk about it in ways that only offend those who believe their message and concerns were heard, and who are trying to move on. But it's kinda hard for them to do that when they get constant reminders like this that they don't matter.

I can't make it any clearer than that. Either one gets it, or not. And if it still doesn't make sense, that's a shame, because I'm done explaining it. Done.

[ucrdem]

51. Could be. Still, I think many also resent an obvious hit job.

Kissing and hugging in public are part of our political discourse and have been for a long time. So the oppo guys don't get to rewrite the rules whenever it suits their guy. That's the message I think she's trying to send, and I think she succeeded.

[NurseJackie]

54. Way to be dismissive...

Still, I think many also resent an obvious hit job.

Yes. But I think there can be no denying what others have observed for many many years. This "hit job" wouldn't have taken-root otherwise, would it? There can be no denying that this was fertile ground.

That's the message I think she's trying to send, and I think she succeeded.

Way to be dismissive of everyone who genuinely and honestly found his behavior to be creepy, inappropriate and invasive. Personally, his behavior and actions didn't bother me, but I can see how it would be offensive and uncomfortable to others, and I think it's important to respect the feelings of those who were (and are) troubled by it.

Kissing and hugging in public are part of our political discourse and have been for a long time.

Nobody is talking about celebrity air-kissing and sideways-shoulder-touch/back-pat hugs. What people found to be offensive and inappropriate was much more than that, it was the stuff that was more intimate, and you know it.

Why would anyone feel that it's necessary to intentionally do or say things to aggravate something that's on the cusp of dying a natural death and just fading away? Why the big "fuck you" to those who were sincerely and genuinely disturbed at watching his inappropriately affectionate behavior?

That's the only message she 'succeeded' in sending. The reactions to it just poured salt in the still tender and still healing wounds.

What good purpose does that serve?

[ucrdem]

61. The way I read it is pushback against a destructive RW meme.

So in that sense, it's good.

[NurseJackie]

65. No I didn't see anything like that.

The only "compilation" I've observed comes from my own memory over the course of a dozen years that he's been on my radar. What I saw was not personally horrifying or disturbing to me, I simply saw it as odd. But I can see and understand how the sniffing and nuzzling and caressing and rubbing would be a trigger for many.

The way I read it is pushback against a destructive RW meme.

I understand where you're coming from. I understand he heckler didn't MEAN to be harmful or dismissive... just as Biden didn't MEAN to cause others (or observers) discomfort or feeling invaded.

If Biden can show growth and understanding and acknowledge those who have expressed their feelings, if he can show respect by pledging to be more thoughtful and aware... why then is is so hard for his most ardent supporters to do the same? Why give high-fives and back-slaps and atta-girls when a boisterous supporter shows a lack of good judgement by blurting out something like that?

And I'll even concede that in the excitement and emotive moment (not having time for reflective consideration) it seems only natural that others would join in and cheer on that type of crass and classless outburst. But now we're no longer "in the moment" and we've had time to reflect and consider. But sadly, even in the intervening hours, and even after hearing from the voices of those who were most deeply affected by such things... there's still a defiant and harmful "fuck-you/grow-up" and "in-your-face-crybabies" attitude that I don't fully understand the motivation for.

You and I are now going in circles too. We'll probably NEVER agree, but I think we understand each other's positions. If there's something that you genuinely don't understand, let me know and I'll give it another shot. Aside from that, I think we're done and have take this about as far as we can.

[Politicub]

47. A great response from Biden

He is serious when he needs to be, and makes people laugh, too. Humor is an important rhetorical skill. A lot of our candidates come across as very serious, which appeals to me as someone who is wonky, but makes my husband want to change the channel.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

64. I'm so fucking tired of this being a joke.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. But Joe didn't make a joke out of it... 'cept the sign of the cross thing.

But, hey, that's progress!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Gothmog]

66. This makes me smile

[JI7]

69. she should have done it in a more personal setting

like if he was shaking hands and he was going to shake her hand, just ask for a hug then.

while I think Flores and since others were full of shit based in evidence I don't doubt some others could have been uncomfortable without thinking there was any bad intent to it

it's not the fact that she wants to hug him that is the problem but more that it comes off as a rebuke to those who actually could be uncountable.

[Ferrets are Cool]

76. Not helpful

[Iggo]

80. Nobody remembers the "Trump can grab my..." lady?

This is not a good look.

[ecstatic]

84. This wasn't Joe's fault though.

And yes, the grab my pussy trumper is the first thing I thought of. Still, apples and oranges.

[Iggo]

85. I'm not blaming him.

But it's apples and apples, straight up.

[BannonsLiver]

86. It's a testament to how kooky our culture has become that this is even a thing.

Bonkers.