Zerlina Maxwell Suffers From Bernie Derangement Syndrome

[iamthebandfanman]

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[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Excellent!

Thanks for the thread iamthebandfanman.

[at140]

4. Is BDS curable?

Many here seem afflicted as well.

[Uncle Joe]

5. There is only one cure to it

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[brush]

34. Not excellent by any means. That video editing was unfair and disingenous.

Sanders was asked specific questions at the Women of Color forum and instead of answering direct questions he just launched into shippets from stump speeches he has given thousands of times. Maher's staff should be ashamed of the editing that made it look like he was address direct questions when he wasn't.

The editing was clearly designed to set her up and make her look bad. Google the WOC forum and you will find out why Sanders was booed when he evaded answering direct questions.

That's a bullshit video.

[Uncle Joe]

35. Who was applauding Bernie, was that faked?

[brush]

36. Come on, you're not that dumb. It was an hours long forum. He was...

applauded at times but he was also booed for evading questions and resorting to stump speech excerpts instead answering direct questions. Not a smart thing to do if seeking support at a Women of Color forum.

Google it and find out for yourself what happened.

[Uncle Joe]

40. How many people actually heckled Bernie out of well over a thousand attendees.

5, 10, 15?

On one question because they didn't want to hear Bernie's history aka; his inconvenient truth because they didn't want to hear his message of passionate universal egalitarianism, so in acting as gate keepers as if every American viewing the program already knew this or had no right to hear it, they cut him off.

How about the editing from MSNBC, (not to mention the one sided slant or narrative) on Joy's program not showing the applause after said heckling just a continuous loop of that one question and said hecklers "moment of glory."

"The Bernie does not connect with women of color" meme is totally at odds with with the reception, beginning, middle and ending of the town hall with the exception of that one incident by a few hecklers, and nobody knows what their real motivation was because they didn't let Bernie finish, it's also at odds with the polling but Joy; didn't want to hear that from Nina Turner, her mind was already made up.

[brush]

43. I saw the coverage on Joy Reid's show. It was quite audible booing...

Why are you downplaying it. Sanders keeps making these boo-boos with POCs. You'd thinking he'd have learned by now instead of always resorting to economic excerpts from his stump speeches when asked about questions on racism.

He should be ready for those kinds of questions and be prepared with more than stump speech shippets.

[Uncle Joe]

44. Why are you downplaying the much larger and sustained applause in the OP?

[brush]

51. Are you not getting that the booing and applause were from different times...

during the forum? I mean who doesn't agree with his economic messages? That doesn't excuse his seemingly long-standing tone deafness on the racism in America v economics raises all boats issue going back to the 2016 campaign.

He should have long figured out how to answer those questions.
AAs know from centuries long experience that racism often trumps economic solutions because of...well, racists in America and how they quite often try to sabotage POCs from getting the economic benefits he espouses. We want to know what his solutions are, not just repeated recitations of his economic proposals.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Of course, your right about Bernie yet again Uncle Joe... thanks for setting the record straight!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LanternWaste]

81. I dig your consistency in never answering your own questions.

Empty rhetorical devices may not add very much to rational dialog, but they certainly allow us the pretense we're making valid points!

Objectivity and measured evidence to support the sentiment would be asking far too much. I get it.

[Cha]

73. I just posted this to

him.. maybe it will refresh his memory on what actually happened at #SheThePeople when there was no "editing"?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=116459

[Gothmog]

84. Thanks-I watched sanders segment at this conference

The video posted in the OP is misleading

[Cha]

72. Bernie has a rough time at She the People conference

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Bernie Sanders was asked by a woman of color in the audience what he would do about the rise of white supremacist violence as President.

Instead he started talking about minimum wage and Medicare For All.

The audience claps when the moderator clocks him.

After getting called out for dodging specific questions about minorities, Bernie reminds the audience he "marched with MLK".

Audible groans/boos.

He wags his finger at them.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128786745

Don't act like you didn't know what happened and why "WOC groaned and booed at BS" at #SheThePeople.

[brush]

80. Thanks for posting that video, Cha. That poster seems to be playing...

dumb on what happened at the WOC forum. Sanders should be able to handle these kinds of questions by now. This is his second go round seeking the nomination and he still just resorts to his stump speech snippets when asked racial questions.

He's got to know question like that would come up at a WOC forum.

[betsuni]

37. The editing wasn't done by Maher's staff.

Don't know who's responsible for this bullshit, will try to find out.

[brush]

39. The cutting from the Bernie video to Maxwell talking was done by his staff.

[betsuni]

42. How do you know? The cutting wasn't aired on his show, I watched it.

I'm trying to find out and so far can't find anything, maybe the person who posted it on YouTube did it. Do you have a link?

[brush]

45. I watched the video where Maher said to her "he seems to be saying...

whats in your mind." Was that not from his show?

[betsuni]

50. Yes, is was.

The Bernie parts weren't.

[WeekiWater]

46. I've noticed this trend.

Highly edited and deceptive videos being lauded by some as excellent, all while trashing democrats. Very transparent.

[Uncle Joe]

47. Yes, I saw Joy's program as well.

However if you're referring to the OP, it clearly showed applause for Bernie and disputed the pundit's argument that Bernie didn't address her questions at the town hall.

[WeekiWater]

48. I'm glad you watch Joy. Really like her.

My comment clearly wasn't directed at her, but you know that. Deception isn’t cool.

Keep promoting your beliefs that strong women of color are deranged. That’s really sad to see on the “left.”

Seems someone has been cornered into going scorched earth a bit sooner than expected.

[Uncle Joe]

49. You ignored the body of my post and I agree deception isn't cool.

[WeekiWater]

52. I ignored the body of your post in no way.

Add deflection to this list.

[Uncle Joe]

53. I heard strong women of color applauding Bernie and defending him on Joy's show.

Are you suggesting the applause in the OP was faked?

[WeekiWater]

56. When did I suggest such a thing?

Down right offensive how you are using this edited video and you just doubled down with more deflection. Really sad to see.

[Uncle Joe]

59. Do you believe the applause was faked in the video?

[WeekiWater]

61. Have at your promotion that this accomplished woman is deranged.

Sad to see such words and that video used like this. It’s not a statement about who you think. This is like what they tried to do with Marissa Johnson as the crowd of Sanders supporters yelled “we solved racism” at her. This is more of the same. There is no question that it is a trend.

[Uncle Joe]

62. So you still can't bring yourself to answer my question.

Do you believe the applause by predominately women of color in the OP video to be faked?

[WeekiWater]

63. I never suggested it was.

That is simply your deflection from promoting your beliefs that a strong woman I’d deranged.

I hope you have soaked in enough here to see what you are doing. It’s been clearly explained numerous times. A self delete is in order. If not, holding it up for reasons of transparency also works.

[Uncle Joe]

64. Okay the pundit is totally biased. My question is, why would you silence or subvert

the applause by strong women of color (which is clearly heard in the OP video not so much on Joy's program) to the editing whims of MSNBC and Reid's show?

[WeekiWater]

65. You just lied about me personally.

Not shocked considering you are promoting strong women on the left as being deranged.

Scorched earth from top to bottom.

[Uncle Joe]

66. I did not, I asked you a question by your earlier posts the applause for Bernie meant

nothing it was all about one question and a few hecklers, not nearly the impact of larger and sustained applause for Bernie and not just on economic issues but on racial and criminal justice as well.

These cheerers would be predominately strong women of color and yet there was little to no coverage from their side, so their voices were effectively diminished by MSNBC and Reid.

I also stated my interpretation of the meaning of the title of the OP as "biased."

[WeekiWater]

67. Yes, you did.

And you double and tripled down before your now “bias” reference.

You are personally promoting that a strong woman on the left is deranged. Then you want me to sit here and answer your questions. There is no point in going deeper. The promotion of her as deranged, that you are personally doing, is.....

I suggest you keep beating this drum. Maybe if you can get interviewed by the news, with this being the topic, Sanders will drop another ten. Does he have ten more points he can drop? His free fall is epic.

Have a good night as you continue calling strong POC on the left.

[Uncle Joe]

68. You can't and haven't answered any of my questions,

so there is no point in debate.


Peace to you.

[ehrnst]

86. Argument from silence fallacy.

That's a real favorite.



(Now it's your turn to demand that I answer some questions, and if I don't, that clearly means I can't so you win.)

Peace to you.

[ehrnst]

87. +1000. (nt)

[Cha]

89. I miss you!

[Gothmog]

90. I have noticed this trend also

I do not trust anything from Greenwald or the Young Turks

[Srkdqltr]

2. Who is she

And why do we care??

[comradebillyboy]

9. She provides a lot of political commentary on MSNBC

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I think she's pretty good.

[YOHABLO]

3. You kept reverting back to the Bernie dialogue and not allowing us to hear Maxwell.

I honestly don't know what her issue is. He was at an all women's forum.

[dsc]

6. Of course you didn't include the question he was actually asked, and which he pretty much

didn't answer in your video. He did get booed and he deserved to get booed. He never did give any real specifics on what he was going to do about racism which is the question he was asked. He pivoted to economics.

[Blue_true]

7. Bernie seems to think that fixing income inequality solves most problems.

The only areas where he seem not to think that are guns and climate change.

But back to fixing income equality inducing a priviledged racist to give a POC a fair shot because the pie is shared more equitably. We have as much a chance of seeing live unicorns walking down Fifth Avenue in New York City.

[Celerity]

8. Not the biggest Bernie fan here, but wow, does she look disingenuous

Shameful, I always have liked her on MSNBC. Hopefully she apologises if she is ever back on that show.

In all fairness however, many of the non DU Sanders supporters do the same thing to Buttigieg. It is insane to call him some RW stealth neoliberal war monger. Fucking nuts. They also attack Warren, WARREN, as a fraud!

That is NOBBDS.

No One But Bernie Derangement Syndrome

[brush]

33. It's really disingenuous and unfair editing of that video

At that forum of women of color Sanders was asked specific questions by audience members but instead of answering the questions he launched into snippets of his stump speeches, which is why he was booed.

Unfair editing and Maher and his staff should be ashamed of themselves for setting Maxwell up to look bad.

Research his appearance at that forum and find out the real deal why he was booed. It made the cable news shows, Joy Reid's show, who was the moderator, and it was even discussed here.

[MustLoveBeagles]

70. I found Inygram's OP with the full She The People Forum

It gives a fuller picture of what happened. Bernie's section starts at approximately 2:07:00 in.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128786339

[Gothmog]

77. Thank you for posting this

The video in the OP does not reflect what happened at this event

[MustLoveBeagles]

85. Your welcome Gothmog

I absolutely hate deceptive editing. I wanted to have a link to the real video in this thread so people could watch it and make their own minds about it.

[Hortensis]

10. Do Sanders people REALLY think disagreeing and quarreling with PoC

about what they should require of candidates is a winning strategy? Just what did all the white-splaining and antagonism and sniping that filled 2015 and 2016 gain?

Always that dissonance between avowed goals and actual behaviors in that camp.

Btw, my theory is that if Sanders did what PoC require for their backing he'd lose much of his populist support and that that is why he blows of their requests for specifics. He is leading both a sorta-socialist movement which wants to be a universal movement and a populist movement for which that could be very problematic. Thus, he doesn't want to show he knows exactly what PoC want and then be seen refusing to promise it. Better to be seen as (still!) earnestly bewildered over why they (still!) don't understand the value of his revolution to them.

[MaryMagdaline]

29. Good analysis

[George II]

30. +1,000,000

[revmclaren]

11. Well if you want to see TRUE derangement syndromes,

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go to -

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Type in www.democraticunderground.com into the Wayback Machine.

Click on 2016 and check out the DU archived pages especially June - November... Latest and greatest threads.

Be ready to go

And



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

Edit - corrected typing error in Democratic Underground.

[comradebillyboy]

12. Seems like an awful lot of African American women suffer from

'Bernie Derangement Syndrome'. Maybe the problem is with Bernie and not the women who are rightly skeptical of his empty promises.

[StarfishSaver]

13. Thank you.

Black Woman Derangement Syndrome seems to be a thing these days, at least in some quarters.

[Skya Rhen]

14. I find that AA women are quite perceptive and possess that 6th sense, especially when it comes to BS

[Cha]

17. I applaud Black Women!..

With deep gratitude

Thank You, Skya Rhen

[melman]

19. What about Nina Turner and Briahna Joy Grey

Do you applaud them?

[ehrnst]

21. Interesting.

I get asked by RW relatives if I support Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain, because you know, they're black.

[melman]

23. Wow

That's fascinating.

[ehrnst]

25. Isn't it, though.

Especially in light of your question.

You know, one can be progressive and yet disagree entirely with a specific person or persons of color, despite the implications of your response.

My RW relatives truly believe that they are not racist because they agree with Thomas and Cain.

[George II]

31. It's the ol' "some of my best friends are black" refrain, as if that makes a difference.

[WeekiWater]

58. Wow is right.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=116063

[JI7]

24. people that supported Jill Stein should not be applauded

[ehrnst]

26. +1000. (nt)

[George II]

41. Or hired by OUR Democratic candidates.

[mcar]

28. Whataboutism

[StarfishSaver]

55. Wow

You actually wrote that and posted it?

[Demsrule86]

69. No...Steinbots.

[emulatorloo]

76. Not a fan of 2016 Stein voters who tore down the Dem nominee in 2016. Includes Sirota

as well. Those people worked actively to destroy the Democratic nominee. They passively helped Trump as they told lies about the Democratic nominee.

So no applause here for Sirota and his colleagues in deceptive scorched earth campaigns.

[LanternWaste]

82. I'd bet myself someone would make the logical fallacy you did.

Only nineteen in and there she blows.

[Gothmog]

83. You mean this lady?

Link to tweet

[Skya Rhen]

20. Aww...

[Cha]

22. WOC on the whole have always been there

for our Democratic Party! Our most reliable Voting Bloc. Knowing the Dangers of trump they mostly voted for the Democratic Candidate.. not the Liar Jill Stein.

So Thank You, Skra, and our largest Democratic Base for being "Woke" (I love that word).

[Gothmog]

75. Black women are the key to victory in 2020. Stop ignoring them

Link to tweet

[LibFarmer]

15. So pointing out and extracting Bernie's tone deafness

is now derangement syndrome?

Or does any and every opposition to Bernie's policies qualify?

[Skidmore]

16. Zerlina Maxwell is no one's fool.

I trust her judgment. She is spot on time and time again.

[Cha]

18. Yes, Zerlina Maxwell is one

my favorites, too, Skidmore.

[Gothmog]

78. I love AMJOY

[Kurt V.]

27. yeah i had to unfollow her on twitter. Don't remember why tho.

[brush]

32. That video is edited unfairly. At the forum Sanders was asked specific...

questions on issues women of color have but instead of answering them he launched into excerpts from his stump speeches and as a result was booed.

The video was edited to make it look like he was addressing specific questions, which he didn't.

The video is also unfair to Maxwell.

[WeekiWater]

38. Bill Maher is my go to.

Do they even have a clue why he was booed? And days later he slighted the AA community again. He is sure he will have a woman as VP but it’s too early to discuss minorities.

That is one of the most deceptive video edits I’ve seen.

Might be helpful if people promoting his campaign would stop referring to people as deranged as the deceptively edit their interviews. This is really sick behavior. Has the stench of David Sirota all over it.

[WeekiWater]

54. A little context to show who the op is promoting as being deranged.

Zerlina Maxwell is an American political analyst, commentator, speaker, and writer. She writes and speaks about rape culture, sexual assault, gender inequity, sexual consent, racism, and similar topics.[1][2] She is herself a survivor of sexual assault and describes herself as a survivor activist.[1][3]

Maxwell has appeared frequently on CNN, FOX News, and MSNBC as a commentator and has written for the Washington Post, JET Magazine, The American Prospect, Black Enterprise, CNN.com, the Huffington Post, Salon.com, and Ebony.com.[4][5][6] Her Twitter account was named by The New York Times as "A Twitter Voice to Follow" in 2012,[7] as one of "Salon’s Twitter 50" in 2012,[8] and one of TIME's 140 Best Twitter Feeds of 2014.[9] The Cut magazine's Kaitlin Menza said that Maxwell as "has built a career around expressing her political opinions with wit and intelligence."[6]

Maxwell worked as a field organizer for the 2008 Obama presidential campaign,[10] and was Director of Progressive Media for the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign.[6] She is now Director of Progressive Programming for SiriusXM, and hosts a weekly radio show on SiriusXM, "Signal Boost."[6] In September 2017, Maxwell interviewed Hillary Clinton for a SiriusXM Progress Town Hall.[11]

Wikipedia

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[WeekiWater]

60. Can someone point out how she is deranged, as the op is promoting?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Something that is not highly edited, taken out of context, and being used in a diceptive manner.

She retweets everyone from AOC to EW. All positive.

Really bad form to refer to an influential black woman as being deranged when her life and career tells a different story.

[Cha]

71. Of course it's "bad form"..

gratuitous negative accusations against Zerlina Maxwell.

Sanders doesn't have high negative polling for no reason.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=114114

Thank You!

[Gothmog]

74. I saw this interview and the above clip does not change the facts

Link to tweet

[emulatorloo]

79. Unrec for dishonest editing. Let's promote our candidates fairly.

Lots of wonderful things to say about Senator Sanders without posting highly edited clips.

[Cha]

88. Not a good idea to insult Women of Color..

BS surrogates/supporters.