AOC quote of the day. . . .

[pdsimdars]

“I will be damned if the same politicians who refused to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a middle of the road approach to save our lives."
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

(she's taking no prisoners)

[bloom]

5. I consider her to be one of the sane ones.

The truth can be hard on people. Especially those of us who recognize that our planet is dying.

But who are really the most deluded? Not the ones who would have us do something.

[LibFarmer]

19. Perhaps you haven't read the DSM nt

[oldsoftie]

10. HA!

[monmouth4]

2. She is awesome and so so smart. n/t

[bloom]

6. yes!

[BannonsLiver]

3. ....

[left-of-center2012]

4. I think people are tuning her out

[NurseJackie]

88. I try.

[pdsimdars]

90. Yea, that's why she has millions of followers and people are courting her endorsement

[ehrnst]

94. Trump has millions of twitter followers, and endorsement requests, too.

But I haven't heard - who is "courting her endorsement?"

[left-of-center2012]

99. "There's a sucker born every minute"

[corbettkroehler]

7. The Only Response To Climate Change

No matter the Democratic nominee, I'm an environmentalist first. A sober analysis tells us that we need to accomplish A WHOLE LOT in 12 years. We need to be on a steep slope below 400PPM of atmospheric carbon with the all important goal of 350 squarely in our sights. Bold action is the only way to make it happen and save 1 million species of flora and fauna from extinction.

[oldsoftie]

11. Its not gonna happen. India & China will continue doing that they do

The US has already been reducing output for years. But the world atmosphere has no borders.

[TryLogic]

37. And the alternative is...??

[ehrnst]

77. Alternative to a bulleted wish list that's not ready to be voted on?

Here are several:

https://www.humansandnature.org/democracy-maude-barlow

https://medium.com/the-fourth-wave/how-green-tech-is-growing-a-robust-economy-in-washington-state-82c7b6df17fa

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/18522680/beto-orourke-2020-climate-change-proposal

https://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend/

[pdsimdars]

56. Well, those other boys were throwing rocks at the windows so why should I stop?

Yea, that excuse didn't work when you were 10 either.

[oldsoftie]

58. Yeah, i'm not for bankrupting this country further while others keep doing what they do

Like i said, the US HAS worked to successfully reduce emissions and continues to do so. But the proposals of this green new deal make the cost of universal health care look like pocket change. And the other drawbacks also matter.

If we all live i the same building, then me stopping throwing rocks does nothing to keep in the AC when my brothers and sisters keep busting windows in the rest of the house.

[pdsimdars]

64. It's cost effective and will create zillions of jobs and help save the planet.

And your argument, "But Billy's doing it."

[ehrnst]

78. If what you're talking about is so obvious, then why hasn't it been

thought of and presented by every Democratic Rep?

[shanny]

83. IKR?

It's even worse than that: the cost of doing something is WAY less than the cost of doing nothing. And the cost of doing nothing will be measured in much more than money.

But yeah, China and India!

[Celerity]

75. China, whilst it still has massive systemic pollution issues, is spending trillions to transition

to the forefront of the global green technology movement, including, but absolutely not limited to their internal markets. It is far easier for them to do so, as they operate inside a state command and control quasi-dirigisme model. They do not have to navigate our incredibly compromised system of checks and balances (NOT just at governmental levels) that are interlocked with a dominant neo-corporatist framework inside which the fossil fuel industries constitute a huge power vector.

[ehrnst]

95. By "bold action" do you mean legislation that actually gets passed?

And policies that get put into action?

Like the Obama and Clinton administrations did?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/obamas-green-new-deal-worked-climate-change.html

[George II]

8. Didn't she say that yesterday?

[RandySF]

9. With all due respect to AOC

I wish she would wait and hear Biden's actual plan before she bashes him like that.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Someone in Biden's camp floated the "middle ground" trial balloon for a reason.

[RandySF]

13. Is that an actual climate change plan?

Because it looks silly to jump at a vague statement.

[Uncle Joe]

15. If it floats successfully, it could most definitely affect whatever Biden's plan may be.

[TryLogic]

38. What people think sounds good rather than what needs to be done?

[ehrnst]

76. You mean when you think that The Green New Deal sounds good?

So tell us - if knowing what "needs to be done" is so simple, why hasn't every single Democratic rep come up with the same solution?

[ehrnst]

72. So it's not a 'plan' that's any further along than the Green New Deal...

[R B Garr]

16. +1, here she is during Chris Hayes forum being quite vague herself:

"OCASIO-CORTEZ: No. And first all of we wave a magic wand and we passed
the Green New Deal resolution tomorrow, what happens? Nothing because it`s
a resolution. What our resolution that we introduced means is that it
passes the House and it passes the Senate,separately, it just means that
we make it a national priority and it says that the scope of the solution
must be on the scale of the problem. And so it outlines the ways we can
pursue that scope.

But in order for us to pursue this agenda, we don`t have to do it all at
once. But it outlines the ways and hows of doing it."

It's ridiculous for her to bash other Democrats if she is acknowledging here that what she is proposing is a "resolution." A "scope".

[George II]

25. If you go to the site that contains the "green new deal", you'll see.....

.....that it's not a plan or a deal but simply a long list of bullet points, many of them vague.

[msongs]

34. she admits its nothing then makes critical remarks about people who are wait and see lol nt

[Blue_true]

39. The solutions to reducing the dependence on fossil fuel

will arrive like a shadow in the night. Groundbreaking change always come about in that way. People like AOC or Bernie that throw out board and vague proposals will have no part in that solution.

[TryLogic]

42. Why are Biden supporters bashing AOC??

[George II]

45. Let's turn this around, why is she bashing Biden?

[Cha]

53. Why is AOC bashing Biden?

[ehrnst]

73. To ask why is AOC bashing Biden isn't "bashing AOC."

And neither is pointing out that the Green New Deal isn't very fleshed out. Hence the Senate Democrats saving it from an early death by voting "present" to McConnell's attempt to torpedo it, before it had any committee work on it.

I hope that AOC is appreciative of that.

[R B Garr]

52. Exactly. That doesn't seem wise to attack others with

an admission that her plan is only “resolutions”. And her “I’ll be damned...” was just a cringe-worthy display as I watched it on Yahoo. What a shame.

[Hortensis]

93. She's found a formula to get back in the news

after the primary coverage pushed her out, so I expect she'll be doing a lot more candidate-bashing. Those DAMNED Democrats who "allow babies to be poisoned" (hope the good Democrats of Flint, MI are good and offended at this targeting).

[Autumn]

14. The defining issue of our lives. Our lives, our grand-kids lives,our planet depends

on what happens here. There is no room, no time for half measures.

[LibFarmer]

20. The GND proposed by AOC

is a flock of unicorns riding in a hell frozen over while pigs fly overhead.

It has ZERO chance of going anywhere. Only slogans and platitudes to satisfy the dreamers.

[Autumn]

21. Nice to see you again.

[sheshe2]

32. Autumn 21. Nice to see you again.

Not nice.

[George II]

22. Clever - very talented, and soooo true.

[highplainsdem]

27. Exactly.

[marylandblue]

30. This is why we are doomed. Evolution made our brains very bad

at dealing with long term risks. A hurricane is am obvious crisis. Try as we might, we can't make a crisis of the supe-hurricanes we could prevent 30 years from now.

[FiveGoodMen]

33. How the goddamned hell have I failed to put you on ignore before now?

[oldsoftie]

60. People actually DO that? Wow.

let me block everyone who may say something i dont agree with. Then its just like it doesnt exist!
We talk about trumpettes trying to stay in a bubble; this is no different. Disagree? Prove him wrong. Deal with facts

[shanny]

84. You seem concerned.

[oldsoftie]

104. Just seems childish to me, thats all.

NO dissent! Sound familiar?

[Blue_true]

41. ..

[TryLogic]

43. Why are Biden supporters bashing AOC and the Green New Deal approach to saving the planet??

[R B Garr]

51. Why don't you read the OP so you know what you are

responding to. It’s about AOC attacking Biden. You should read her quote in the OP.

[pdsimdars]

57. I know, and they are mad at her and us for being Democrats.

[ehrnst]

79. What are you even talking about? We're all Democrats here.

Very dramatic, though.

[pdsimdars]

91. Then why are they bashing her? I don't understand it. If you bash other Democrats they delete

it, but Ive noticed that it seems to be OK to bash those on the left like Bernie and AOC. I don't get the double standard. You can't bash Democrats but you can bash AOC and Bernie. Which means they don't consider them to be Democrats, right?

[ehrnst]

92. I see no bashing here - except on the part of AOC towards Biden.

Pointing that out isn't "bashing" AOC.

If you bash other Democrats they delete.

Which means they don't consider them to be Democrats, right?

Who is "they?" What are you even talking about?

[pdsimdars]

98. Biden's name was not mentioned. No particular issue was mentioned. BUT

this is a good warning for our side. I think people are tired of incrementalism. Wages have been basically stagnant for 40 years. That's what incrementalism gets you. Climate change is accelerating. That's what incrementalism gets you. Thousands die each year for lack of health care. That's what incrementalism gets you.
And yet, these millionaire politicians don't act as if they are aware of this. EVERY campaign season they talk about lifting everyone up, etc. But 40 years of stagnation. People are tired of that. . . and THAT is what this quote says. If everyone wants to make it their own, personal Rorschach test, not my problem. It says more about you than about the actual, black letter words in that quote.

[ehrnst]

100. So why don't you tell us who it was that "try to come back today "

if not Biden.

Why is it that you are the only one that denies that it's Biden?

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez blasted "middle of the road" approaches on climate change, an apparent criticism of former Vice President Joe Biden.

Ocasio-Cortez takes a veiled shot at Joe Biden

So let's just acknowledge that, yes, she was the one that was bashing Biden with that quote, and the author of the OP didn't feel very comfortable including the full context.

I think people are tired of incrementalism.

Topic change.... you think that the Green New Deal doesn't talk about incremental implementation?

Have you even read it? It calls for a “10-year national mobilization.”

Overhauling transportation systems in the United States

- you think that's going to be done in one fell swoop?

I don't think you have read, have you?

And yet, these millionaire politicians don't act as if they are aware of this.

Going ever further off-topic...

But 40 years of stagnation. People are tired of that. . . and THAT is what this quote says.

No, she's talking about Biden, specifically. See the links above.

Makes sense. He's pulled ahead of Bernie in the polls.

[George II]

97. Did you read the quote in the OP?

[George II]

80. With respect to the "green new deal" there's very little to attack. Other than being a list....

....of bullet points, there's no plan and no "deal". It's basically a wish list with very little substance on how to accomplish those things.

[oldsoftie]

59. I stand with you. Facts are a bitch. Everyone loves them when they back their opinion.

[ehrnst]

81. One can promise unicorns if they know that they will never have to deliver.

They can always blame not producing the Unicorns it on that dragon who "makes it impossible."

[ehrnst]

66. There is also no room for stubborn inability to adapt one's strategies when

new data comes in that indicates alternate strategies might be more effective at actually doing what is best for future generations.

See also the pro-forced birth movement when you tell them that you can't legislate away abortions, and that destroying that 'establishment' group, Planned Parenthood will actually increase the number of abortions from unplanned pregnancies.

Digging in one's heels about specific tactics makes it more about the tactic than the actual issue one is trying to solve.

[Autumn]

67. We've been waiting a long time for these same people to come up with alternate strategies

that might be more effective. Hasn't happened yet. What's 30 more years huh.

[ehrnst]

69. What "same people" are you referring to?

And what strategy are you referring to when you talk about "come up with alternate strategies that might be more effective. "

If you are talking about the "Green New Deal," what you are talking about is theoretical, so we have no idea if it would be effective.

Digging in one's heels about specific tactics makes it more about the tactic or a particular person than the actual issue one is trying to solve. As we've seen with the RW's stubborn refusal to accept that destroying that "establisment" Planned Parenthood will actually increase abortions from unplanned pregnancies is another illustration of this. They swear that eliminating PP will be the solution to women getting abortions, and say all other methods have failed.

Senate Democrats saved the Green New Deal by voting "present" when McConnell tried to torpedo it with a vote before it had been sent through committees to work out the details. I hope that AOC is appropriately appreciative of that.

And as for "hasn't happened yet" the following Democratic strategies for addressing climate change have been effective, so one can't say that none have "been come up with." The fact that they were implemented makes them more effective than any that are still theoretical.

The Obama administration joining the Paris Climate Accord, and created the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy.

On June 25th, 2013, President Obama announced his Climate Action Plan (CAP) during a speech at Georgetown University. This comprehensive plan is the first of its kind and was developed by the Administration to strategically achieve three overarching goals: cut domestic carbon pollution, prepare the United States for climate change impacts, and lead international efforts to address global climate change.

The first goal, cutting U.S. carbon pollution, aligns with President Obama’s commitment to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025. Strategies to meet this goal include reducing GHG emissions from the power sector and promoting energy efficiency and clean energy projects around the country. The Administration’s plan to cut emissions from light-duty vehicles through 2025, put into place pre-CAP during Obama’s first term, is a major component to reaching the 2025 emissions target.

https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-timeline-progress-of-president-obama-climate-action-plan

The Clinton administration Climate Change Technology Initiative provided $4 billion in tax incentives over a five-year period. The tax credits applied to energy efficient homes and building equipment, implementation of solar energy systems, electric and hybrid vehicles, clean energy, and the power industry. The Climate Change Technology Initiative also provided funding for additional research and development on clean technology, especially in the building, electricity, industry, and transportation sectors.

More here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_policy_of_the_United_States

[Autumn]

71. Lets just cut to the chase. One and done.

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

74. Can't answer? Won't answer?

Not surprised.

[George II]

82. Read the "green new deal", it's not a strategy, alternative or not:

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres109/BILLS-116hres109ih.pdf

[RandySF]

17. It's interesting of her to say that

after going on the Skullduggery podcast and saying she would accept reaching something short of a Green New Deal.

[George II]

24. So far that so-called "green new deal" is simply a long list of bullet points, no "plan" or "deal".

[TryLogic]

44. Why are Biden supporters attacking the green new deal idea for trying to save the planet??

[George II]

46. It's not just "Biden supporters", but the green new deal is only a resolution, in fact there IS....

...no "green new deal" with specifics and details. It's a concept, even the author has admitted it.

[RandySF]

49. I'm not attacking anybody

I’m just surprised y her comments after what she said on the podcast.

[ehrnst]

70. You equate any questioning about the Green New Deal with "Biden supporters?"

So you think that all of those Democratic Senators who voted "Present" did it because they "don't want to save the planet" and they are Biden supporters?

[Blue_true]

48. She was speaking to an adoring crowd. You have to be pure for the enraptured. nt

[oldsoftie]

61. +1

[shanny]

85. Yes, the best place to start a negotiation

is where you want to end up.

[JI7]

18. Biden isn't currently in office.

[George II]

23. Unfortunately it seems some will do their darnedest to keep it that way.

[highplainsdem]

26. Yes, and then they'll bitch about Trump getting re-elected.

[JI7]

40. and insist some kucinich type candidate would have won in a landslide

[NurseJackie]

28. ---

[Demsrule86]

29. I don't care what she says...

[Skya Rhen]

31. Any candidate aligned with this freshman will never win the rust belt states if he/she is nominee

AOC is hated in the swing states that Trump won and they would vote for him again, under this scenario.

There seems to be a twisted desire, by a sizable chunk on the left, to remain under this dictator's rule.

[George II]

35. That was proven out during the 2018 Democratic primaries.

[TryLogic]

47. Really? What is the evidence?

[Skya Rhen]

50. Candidates endorsed by Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suffered a string of defeats in p

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-08-08/the-far-left-is-losing

[Cha]

54. "Candidates endorsed by Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suffered a string of defeats in

primaries."

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-08-08/the-far-left-is-losing

[oldsoftie]

62. Well, you DID ask....

[murielm99]

36. Maybe she serves a useful purpose.

If the righties are busy bitching and moaning about her, they might not notice if all the moderates in Congress get to work and get something done.

Those of us out here in flyover country can GOTV while she is running around being a breath of fresh air, fearless, awesome, all the rest of it.

[RelativelyJones]

55. I'll be damned if I let AOC's ego give us four more years of Trump.

[oldsoftie]

63. I think Bidens ability is bigger than her ego.

[RelativelyJones]

65. Agreed.

[Horizens]

105. Agree

100% agree

[Peacetrain]

68. Who is she talking about???

[Skya Rhen]

86. AOC is still young - give her some time as she still has a whole lot to learn...

[murielm99]

87. Whaddya mean?

She's a breath of fresh air, fearless, awesome, taking no prisoners...

[Hortensis]

89. :) Rally bloviation. She's not damned, Democrats whose approaches

she doesn't agree with are running for president, and one of them will win. She probably claimed to be damned if the midterms would elect Democrats her faction didn't approve of also.

Guessing Bernie's being damned about something here too, or maybe that's what he looks like as he envisions America under anyone but him. (Who's that in the "Michael the black man" position?)



Lots of sads among that faction these days, and apparently frustration and anger. Understandable. No one said they couldn't also be true believers in their own rhetoric.

[crazytown]

96. AOC is DSA

[qazplm135]

101. that's nice

so when the GND is defeated, what's her plan B?

[Thekaspervote]

102. Like her fav independent senator..lots of good ideas, no idea how it would be implemented

[50 Shades Of Blue]

103. K & R