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melman

(7,681 posts)
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:42 AM Mar 2019

Sanders' women and minority supporters say it's a false narrative that he only appeals to white,

male voters.

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full headline: Bernie Sanders' women and minority supporters say it's a false narrative that he only appeals to white, male voters
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But at Sanders’ kick off event in Brooklyn, a number of minority and female attendees rejected the notion that the presidential hopeful doesn’t have broad appeal.



David Shannon, 50, of the Bronx, said he supports Sanders because he sees the senator as a “true progressive” who’s been consistent in his views for years. Sanders is the “only person that’s running right now” in 2020 that’s “always been the same.”

Shannon added that he disagrees with critics who claim Sanders won’t appeal to black or minority voters. “If you look at him for the last 20 years, he’s been fighting for minorities,” Shannon said, contending that the “incumbents and elites” are wrong about Sanders. He pointed to Sanders’ dedication to getting money out of politics and pledge to end “proxy wars” as two of the biggest reasons he’s behind the senator.




Jessie Rodriguez, 30, originally from Bogota, Colombia, also dismissed the perception that Sanders hasn’t reached out enough to women or people of colour and doesn’t appeal to these demographics.

“I’m a minority and a woman, and he reached out to me,” Rodriguez told INSIDER.

Rodriguez said she became a US citizen in September 2015 and her support for Sanders was central to this.

“I actually became a citizen so I could vote for Bernie,” Rodriguez said. “I believe in him more than anyone else.”


https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Bernie-Sanders-women-and-minority-supporters-say-13659856.php

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Sanders' women and minority supporters say it's a false narrative that he only appeals to white, (Original Post) melman Mar 2019 OP
Bernie is cool. He has been for more years than most of us. rusty quoin Mar 2019 #1
I agree. The only place I get sh*t for liking him is DU. earthshine Mar 2019 #2
Me too, and I will not get into the fights that happen here. At least I hope. rusty quoin Mar 2019 #3
Frankly, I'm more interested in platform and policy over person and personality. earthshine Mar 2019 #4
I am interested in winning which is why I do not support Sen. Sanders in the primary. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #51
Yes, Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #21
Me too!! But, that's ok... knowing Bernie keeps growing in popularity and will clean tRump's clock InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #76
Did you see this one? earthshine Mar 2019 #81
Yeah... just sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #82
He's absolutely cool! Raine Mar 2019 #5
The coolest... there's a reason Bernie had a historic, record campaign rollout. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #78
This statement doesn't jive with me: TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #6
O ye of little faith oasis Mar 2019 #9
It's not a matter of faith, but reasonable cynicism. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #14
What? How dare you be so logical! We're supposed to take this all on faith! n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #10
Counting is fundamental. nt TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #15
No no no. If you want something bad enough and with passion, it happens. betsuni Mar 2019 #16
Bullshit-It can be done in around six months if you have a green card and meet residency requirement Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #36
I used the information from this site: TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #38
Exactly. It's not like getting a driver's license. George II Mar 2019 #49
This is absurd. Please educate yourself lunamagica Mar 2019 #77
Maybe you should take your own advice Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #85
That's in THEORY. The reality is much different. It is ovious you are not familiar with people who lunamagica Mar 2019 #118
Yeah, except for the immigrant who is being called a liar. She doesn't count? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #122
Mrs. Rodriguez created her own credbility problems with her own statements. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #124
Ha.. as IF! Cha Mar 2019 #108
Seriousy...As if looking at things online was the same as living the reality. Please lunamagica Mar 2019 #119
I noticed that myself. It takes six months or more to become a citizen. April to September is... George II Mar 2019 #44
Did she say she became a US citizen in September 2015 so she could vote for Bernie in 2016? Autumn Mar 2019 #75
The article stated this: TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #123
It takes years of residency to be eligible for naturalization Mariana Mar 2019 #125
Without knowing more about Rodriguez's situation it isn't possible to offer many more comments. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #126
I think it's disgusting the way these people get erased melman Mar 2019 #7
Disgusting! Erased! Cheap shots! Entitled! Foul! betsuni Mar 2019 #22
Bazinga! George II Mar 2019 #46
How charming melman Mar 2019 #56
It's a false narrative that a bunch of people here like to push, too. Mr. Smith Mar 2019 #8
WA Post, Feb 2019: "Bernie struggled to win black voters. It could be even worse in 2020." pnwmom Mar 2019 #11
Oh look Jeff Bezos newspaper is writing BS about Bernie Sanders workinclasszero Mar 2019 #50
Oh look, there's someone blaming the messenger for their candidate's shortcomings. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #58
Did your candidate promise to raise taxes on billionaires? workinclasszero Mar 2019 #63
Oh, right. It's the WA Post's fault that Bernie alienates black people by saying stuff pnwmom Mar 2019 #69
ZIIIIIIINNNNGG!!!! Nail meet hammer!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #79
Go Bernie!! workinclasszero Mar 2019 #127
What does Jeff Bezos have to do with what Eugene Scott writes in his WaPo column? lapucelle Mar 2019 #116
Nobody is saying he doesn't have *any* POC or non-millennial women supporting him. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #12
They sure as hell are trying to say that melman Mar 2019 #13
I don't see this Watson guy or anyone else saying that Sanders has zero support... Garrett78 Mar 2019 #17
Who is this "they" that you are referring to? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #18
Democrats! betsuni Mar 2019 #20
There was another thread based solely on this tweet melman Mar 2019 #59
Do you have a link...for context? lapucelle Mar 2019 #84
I bet not. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #92
Do you? melman Mar 2019 #94
I don't link to or support Jill Stein acolytes like Tim Black and Anthony Zenkus or their admirers. lapucelle Mar 2019 #100
That's nice melman Mar 2019 #101
Correct on one count, but lapucelle Mar 2019 #103
Okay melman Mar 2019 #105
Says the author of the infamous (and odious) Not good enough, Bernie!!" thread?? stranger81 Mar 2019 #136
lol melman Mar 2019 #93
LOL. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #97
lol indeed melman Mar 2019 #99
There are literally thousands of tweets posted on DU. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #102
lol melman Mar 2019 #104
You posted in the thread commenting on the tweet before the troll was banned and Autumn Mar 2019 #121
Oh yes they are saying that POC and women don't support him. The *any* you Autumn Mar 2019 #28
Actually, the OP I replied to claims that people are saying Sanders only appeals to white people. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #31
Look at the subject line of the OP, it says "only". That is equivalent to "any". George II Mar 2019 #53
Yet, speaking from experience you will take a person to task for using a word that's different Autumn Mar 2019 #62
Not my experience. Yours? George II Mar 2019 #65
Yeah mine George. How quickly we forget Autumn Mar 2019 #66
Yeah melman Mar 2019 #60
A smart man had this to say about some of the attitudes we see about Bernie Autumn Mar 2019 #61
Back already? melman Mar 2019 #67
Yep, back this morning. It's almost like a full time job for some. Autumn Mar 2019 #68
Find 1 post that claims Sanders doesn't have any supporters of color. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #70
No melman Mar 2019 #71
That's what I thought. There are so many, yet you can't find a single 1. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #72
Exactly.. he's Not fooling anyone. Cha Mar 2019 #107
Bingo. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #132
Yes, it Most Certainly IS a "Strawman". Cha Mar 2019 #111
Hm. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #95
Why am I undecided? I'm waiting to hear more from Inslee, who was great on the View this Autumn Mar 2019 #98
As I noted elsewhere, there's Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, Cornell West, and Killer Mike!!! George II Mar 2019 #45
And yet they didn't show up on election day to support Clinton. progressoid Mar 2019 #139
What's your point? That 1-1/2 year old "study" was published long before Mueller concluded.... George II Mar 2019 #141
Now I'm confused. progressoid Mar 2019 #143
Feel the Bern! chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #19
You know it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #80
From C-SPAN: ehrnst Mar 2019 #23
I Saw Women In That Shot Me. Mar 2019 #24
I saw ZERO women in that shot... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #25
FALSE NARRATIVE!!!!! betsuni Mar 2019 #26
That's What I Mean About The Pink Hats Me. Mar 2019 #37
I was almost fooled. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #39
Right? Me. Mar 2019 #41
Brooklyn is 49.5% white, 35.8% black. That crowd doesn't represent the demographics of Brooklyn. George II Mar 2019 #30
. Here's someone who was there. Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #43
I think C-SPAN was still covering the Jubilee Sunday events in Selma last night. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Mar 2019 #109
Here's C-SPAN's schedule fot Sunday evening. lapucelle Mar 2019 #114
I'm a dark skinned POC and I supported Sanders in 2016 IronLionZion Mar 2019 #27
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #29
It's gonna be a long victim season. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #32
You're right about that! I'm very much looking forward to it... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #33
LOL!! peggysue2 Mar 2019 #131
No one is purging anyone. ehrnst Mar 2019 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #35
Yeah we will see. Nice to see you. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #40
Who was that? lapucelle Mar 2019 #74
No one that I know of says that he "only" appeals to white male votes... George II Mar 2019 #42
No disputes that some women and POC support Sen. Sanders but is it enough? I don't think so. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #47
That was great...haha Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #48
What a lovely post melman Mar 2019 #57
Oh, you disagree.. that BS "appeals" to Sarandon, Killer Mike, Cha Mar 2019 #113
What? melman Mar 2019 #120
You forgot Tim Black. Some have even called him a "prominent supporter". lapucelle Mar 2019 #115
That narrative is supported by the votes in 2016. honest.abe Mar 2019 #52
That is what happened in Texas Gothmog Mar 2019 #55
Exactly, his rural populism is unappealing radius777 Mar 2019 #83
No one said only. But that's his base, like it or not. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #54
Sanders had a really bad interview on this issue Gothmog Mar 2019 #64
Those clenched fists and that body language speak volumes. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #73
It's always easier to recite the same old stump speech... I imagine. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #88
Bernie got a pass the last time forklift Mar 2019 #96
He often does badly in these kinds of interviews. EffieBlack Mar 2019 #110
We need a leader who can think on his or her feet. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #117
That radio program is very important show for African American voters Gothmog Mar 2019 #106
No he does not! Adrahil Mar 2019 #129
BS looks Uncomfortable. Cha Mar 2019 #112
Sanders did poorly in this interview Gothmog Mar 2019 #133
omg.. Cha Mar 2019 #134
Good luck winning the support of non-bernie bro voters with that interview Gothmog Mar 2019 #135
Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2019 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author rzemanfl Mar 2019 #138
OMG. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #140
That will be brought up again during the campaign. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #142
of course it is d_b Mar 2019 #87
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #89
Interesting forklift Mar 2019 #90
Good point. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #91
Woman here- planning to donate, roody Mar 2019 #128
Maybe Jill Stein doesn't need "Killer Mike" for the Primary season? brooklynite Mar 2019 #130
 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
1. Bernie is cool. He has been for more years than most of us.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:48 AM
Mar 2019
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earthshine

(1,642 posts)
2. I agree. The only place I get sh*t for liking him is DU.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:21 AM
Mar 2019

My wife is a POC. She loves him! (And me, too.)

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rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
3. Me too, and I will not get into the fights that happen here. At least I hope.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:25 AM
Mar 2019
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earthshine

(1,642 posts)
4. Frankly, I'm more interested in platform and policy over person and personality.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:30 AM
Mar 2019

That's why I support Bernie.

As president, he's not going to be able to implement all that he proposes, but we have to try!

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
51. I am interested in winning which is why I do not support Sen. Sanders in the primary.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:16 PM
Mar 2019

I would vote for any nominee in the general.

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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
21. Yes,
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:10 AM
Mar 2019

That does seem to be the case. Even a Trump supporting acquaintance on Facebook told me in the last election that if he was a Democrat he would support Sanders as while he didn’t agree with him on policy, he felt the guy to be genuine.

Sanders is my second choice this round as I currently support Andrew Yang who I believe takes the discussion father with regard to rethinking the economy and the company avalanche of AI job displacement.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
76. Me too!! But, that's ok... knowing Bernie keeps growing in popularity and will clean tRump's clock
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:37 PM
Mar 2019

is satisfaction enough for me.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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earthshine

(1,642 posts)
81. Did you see this one?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:50 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128712629

I don't even know where to begin arguing with these people. Strawmen and imaginary slippery slopes.

They can't justify hating Bernie as he is, so they make sh*t up.
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
82. Yeah... just sad.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:51 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Raine

(30,540 posts)
5. He's absolutely cool!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:39 AM
Mar 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
78. The coolest... there's a reason Bernie had a historic, record campaign rollout.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:42 PM
Mar 2019

People recognize Bernie is the real deal with long-held beliefs in a truly progressive agenda and that he clearly has the best shot of defeating the Nazi-in-Chief.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
6. This statement doesn't jive with me:
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:46 AM
Mar 2019
Rodriguez said she became a US citizen in September 2015 and her support for Sanders was central to this.


Bernie announced that he was running for president on April 30, 2015. So did Jessie Rodriguez decide in April 2015 to get naturalized in time to vote for Bernie? It usually takes years to become a naturalized citizen, but she miraculously accomplished this feat only five months later.

Ms. Rodriguez has the right to vote for whomever she wants, but her statement is dubious. Perhaps she had a crystal ball or some tarot cards?
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oasis

(49,376 posts)
9. O ye of little faith
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:25 AM
Mar 2019
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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
14. It's not a matter of faith, but reasonable cynicism.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:58 AM
Mar 2019

I was already giving her credit for meeting minimum residency requirements whether she came to the country on a green card (5 years) or she was married to a U.S. citizen (2 years).

She apparently anticipated and supplied all of the supporting documentation without any errors when she filed for citizenship, passed the citizenship test, passed the interview process, and attended the naturalization ceremony while minimizing the waiting process between each step. Maybe it was a miracle?

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pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
10. What? How dare you be so logical! We're supposed to take this all on faith! n/t
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:34 AM
Mar 2019
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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
15. Counting is fundamental. nt
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:58 AM
Mar 2019
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betsuni

(25,472 posts)
16. No no no. If you want something bad enough and with passion, it happens.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:59 AM
Mar 2019

Saying things makes it true!

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
36. Bullshit-It can be done in around six months if you have a green card and meet residency requirement
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:43 AM
Mar 2019

And it’s “jibe”

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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
38. I used the information from this site:
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:09 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.daytranslations.com/blog/2016/03/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-u-s-citizen-7225/

The first step is to file Form N-400 and pay the corresponding fees. The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will process your application. This first step of your journey to becoming a U.S. citizen can take between 6 months to 1 year or more. A slight mistake in your application equates to delays in processing, so make sure that this important first step is error-free. You can get help from an immigration lawyer and ensure that a certified translator translates all your personal documents not written in English.

Once the USCIS has reviewed and approved your application, you will receive notice from the agency. You'll be informed of your schedule of immigration test and interview. The waiting time for the interview schedule will likewise depend on where you are, as longer waiting lists exist in some areas.

When you pass the exam and the interview, you may still need to wait for a day, 180 days or about 2 years before you can take the oath of citizenship, which is the final step to becoming a U.S. citizen. Your location and the number of people waiting for citizenship approval affect the waiting time for the oath-taking ceremony, where you will receive your certificate of naturalization.


I don't know if Ms. Rodriguez already met the residency requirements, but with the first step taking between six months and one year, it would be very fortunate for someone to get the rest of the process completed so quickly (providing additional documentation, passing the exam, passing the interview and getting the oath administered). The timeline that Ms. Rodriguez experienced would almost definitely be the exception rather than the rule.

However, now that I provided the link supporting my statement and since you are calling my response "bullshit" why don't you provide some links that will support your claim that it only takes about six months?

BTW, the "b" and "v" keys are next to each other on the keyboard since you are so concerned about my spelling/word usage.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
49. Exactly. It's not like getting a driver's license.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:13 PM
Mar 2019
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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
77. This is absurd. Please educate yourself
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:38 PM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
85. Maybe you should take your own advice
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:03 PM
Mar 2019

None of the internet sleuths have any idea how far along this young lady was. But call her a liar anyway. Because reasons...


From getting a green card to taking the U.S. citizenship test and interview, it can take quite a long time to become a U.S. citizen. Currently, it takes about 6 months to a year to get U.S. Citizenship from the time you apply. The citizenship process actually starts when you first get your US green card. This video and the article below outlines the requirements for U.S. citizenship and the time frames for each one.

https://www.fileright.com/blog/how-long-does-the-u-s-citizenship-process-take/
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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
118. That's in THEORY. The reality is much different. It is ovious you are not familiar with people who
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:37 PM
Mar 2019

struggle with is.

Those of us who belong or are close to the immigrant community know better

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
122. Yeah, except for the immigrant who is being called a liar. She doesn't count?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:48 PM
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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
124. Mrs. Rodriguez created her own credbility problems with her own statements.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 12:22 AM
Mar 2019

Even if we give her every benefit to shorten the timeline and it only took six months to become a citizen after she applied, then she would have still filed the N-400 application before Bernie announced his candidacy. Therefore, how was his candidacy central to why she applied? Furthermore, did she take an oath of allegiance to the U.S. or was she taking an oath of allegiance to Bernie if that was the factor that motivated her to apply for citizenship?

Instead of knocking and calling bullshit on DUers who have reasonable questions about what was being reported, perhaps you should wonder about the inconsistencies in Mrs. Rodriguez's statements? Her statements simply don't add up if the content of the article was reported accurately. If I noticed the inconsistencies, then I'm certain that others will also.

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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
119. Seriousy...As if looking at things online was the same as living the reality. Please
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:38 PM
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George II

(67,782 posts)
44. I noticed that myself. It takes six months or more to become a citizen. April to September is...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:02 PM
Mar 2019

...five months, even less since the announcement was on April 30.

As the son of a naturalized citizen, it took my mother about a year, and she had been living in the US for 30+ years before she applied AND had an "inside track" by being married to an American for ~25 years.

A little "poetic license" perhaps?

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Autumn

(45,056 posts)
75. Did she say she became a US citizen in September 2015 so she could vote for Bernie in 2016?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:33 PM
Mar 2019

She may be married to an American and decided the time was right and was already working on becoming a citizen, you don't really know. Unless you have a crystal ball yourself.

“I actually became a citizen so I could vote for Bernie,” Rodriguez said. “I believe in him more than anyone else.”
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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
123. The article stated this:
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 10:35 PM
Mar 2019
Rodriguez said she became a US citizen in September 2015 and her support for Sanders was central to this.


I don't know about Mrs. Rodriguez's personal circumstances, but even if she had been in the most favorable circumstance (married to a U.S. citizen and meeting the residency requirements) and it took only six months from the date she applied to taking the oath with all of the steps along the pathway aligned perfectly with minimal delays, then it still would have meant that she filed the application in March 2015. That means that Bernie's candidacy was not central to her filing the application because Bernie had not announced his intentions and that there were other factors that influenced her to apply for citizenship as you mentioned.

However, in the statement that I highlighted Rodriguez is conflating her citizenship with her support for Bernie. In that case someone might ask did she swear a oath of allegiance to the U.S. or did she swear an oath of allegiance to Bernie? Considering that she was previously from Bolivia which is run by a socialist president, does it mean that she supports the current political, social, and economic status of the U.S. or does she want to change the U.S. so that it is more like Bolivia?

Rodriguez's own statement provides the ammunition for people to question her loyalty:
“I actually became a citizen so I could vote for Bernie,” Rodriguez said. “I believe in him more than anyone else.”


If I picked up on the inconsistencies in what was reported in the article as a lifelong Democrat, then imagine how that statement would get twisted and amplified by right-wing zealots in their anti-immigrant fervor. Mrs. Rodriguez created a credibility problem with her statements and she may have created a legal problem for herself if she lied when taking the oath of allegiance to the United States.

If Mrs. Rodriguez stated that she was a naturalized citizen and that she supported Bernie Sanders, then there wouldn't be an issue--she has the right to vote for whomever she chooses. However, when she links her decision to apply for citizenship based upon a candidacy that Bernie hadn't announced yet, then it raises questions--no crystal ball required.
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Mariana

(14,854 posts)
125. It takes years of residency to be eligible for naturalization
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 12:50 AM
Mar 2019

Once one is eligible, it does not take years to process and approve one's application unless there is some kind of discrepancy or a problem that has to be resolved. My husband's application was approved and he was naturalized within a few months time. His brother's application took much longer to process because he has a criminal record.

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TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
126. Without knowing more about Rodriguez's situation it isn't possible to offer many more comments.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 01:36 AM
Mar 2019

In my comments, I gave credit to Rodriguez for already meeting the residency requirements. The starting point of the timeline I was examining begins with the filing of the N-400 form, then proceeds though the exam, interview and concludes with taking the oath. Even the most optimistic view (see HSB's link in this thread) takes 6 months to one year. Most of the links from other legal firms indicated longer periods of time depending on whether the applicant was married to a citizen, the numbers of applicants in an area which could delay the interview process, and how frequently the naturalization ceremonies occur within that area.

In the case of Rodriguez, she indicated that Bernie was the central reason why she applied. Bernie entered the race on April 30, 2015 and she became a citizen in September. The time elapsed between the two events is between 4 to 5 months. While it might be possible to complete the process that quickly, that would appear to be very expedited compared to what most people and attorneys say it takes.

I find it disconcerting to read that someone decided to become a citizen to vote for a particular candidate. That could be interpreted as an oath of allegiance to a politician rather than to the country. It also fuels the narrative that Democrats are lax on immigration because we are trying to increase the pool of voters for Democratic candidates.

Congratulations to your husband and his brother for completing the naturalization process.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
7. I think it's disgusting the way these people get erased
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:00 AM
Mar 2019

all for the sake of taking cheap shots at a candidate.

A trashbag twitter troll like Tom Watson feels entitled to erase them. It's foul.

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betsuni

(25,472 posts)
22. Disgusting! Erased! Cheap shots! Entitled! Foul!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:35 AM
Mar 2019


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr. Smith

(65 posts)
8. It's a false narrative that a bunch of people here like to push, too.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:12 AM
Mar 2019

It's really sad and silly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
11. WA Post, Feb 2019: "Bernie struggled to win black voters. It could be even worse in 2020."
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:37 AM
Mar 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/19/bernie-sanders-struggled-win-black-voters-it-could-be-even-more-difficult/?utm_term=.59d417e98cc1

According to The Washington Post, the Sanders campaign will advocate for a Medicare-for-all health-care system, a Green New Deal in response to growing concerns about climate change and a $15-an-hour minimum wage for all Americans.

SNIP

All of those issues are of interest to voters of color, but Sanders struggled to convince the majority of them in 2016 that he had better policy solutions to these concerns than did Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. In the South Carolina primary, Sanders won 14 percent of the African American vote, according to exit polls. Clinton, the eventual Democratic nominee, took 86 percent of the vote.

Winning the majority vote of African Americans — and Latinos, Asian Americans and other voters of color — could be even more challenging as more voters seem excited to get behind candidates they feel better represent them in terms of race, gender and sexual orientation. Sanders appears to be calling on Americans to look beyond identity in determining their choice for the next president.

SNIP

In a New York Times article published Sunday, nearly two dozen of Sanders’s current and former advisers and staff members spoke about the 2016 campaign’s inability to connect consistently with African American voters. The lawmaker’s initial leadership team was all white and focused heavily on states with white majorities, such as Iowa and New Hampshire, giving the impression to voters of color that Sanders’s message did not include them.

John Solomon told the Times he was originally hired as an organizer for the Sanders campaign before aides assigned him to driving people in a truck around Iowa. “It’s almost like they didn’t need us for anything,” Solomon said. “It was kind of like, you have black staff just to say you have black staff.”

SNIP
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
50. Oh look Jeff Bezos newspaper is writing BS about Bernie Sanders
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:16 PM
Mar 2019

Why I just can't figure out why the worlds richest man, who treats his workers like shit, would want to write lies about the only candidate who promises to raise his damm taxes from ZERO to a fair share????

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
58. Oh look, there's someone blaming the messenger for their candidate's shortcomings.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:00 PM
Mar 2019

Isn’t that quaint.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
63. Did your candidate promise to raise taxes on billionaires?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:26 PM
Mar 2019

I bet not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
69. Oh, right. It's the WA Post's fault that Bernie alienates black people by saying stuff
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 03:32 PM
Mar 2019

like this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/415705-bernie-sanders-on-close-contests-of-gillum-and-abrams-many-white-voters

“I think, you know, there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,” Sanders told the Daily Beast. “I think next time around, by the way, it would be much easier for them to do that.”



Not necessarily racist. Just not comfortable voting for an African American. Bullshit.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
79. ZIIIIIIINNNNGG!!!! Nail meet hammer!!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:48 PM
Mar 2019

You get the Golden Hammer Award!!




Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
127. Go Bernie!!
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 02:06 AM
Mar 2019

Bernie smoked the crap out of the also rans in the KOS poll yesterday!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
116. What does Jeff Bezos have to do with what Eugene Scott writes in his WaPo column?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:25 PM
Mar 2019
Eugene Scott
Washington, D.C.

Reporter covering identity politics for The Fix

Education: Harvard University, MPA; University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, BA

Eugene Scott writes about identity politics for The Fix. He was recently a fellow at the Georgetown University Institute of Politics.

And prior to joining the Post, he was a breaking news reporter at CNN Politics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/eugene-scott/?utm_term=.bd2eb382210d



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Nobody is saying he doesn't have *any* POC or non-millennial women supporting him.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:48 AM
Mar 2019

But, in the 2016 primary, the reason we knew the race was over after Super Tuesday was because of how poorly Sanders was doing among POC and non-millennial women. Black voters chose Clinton over him by something like a 50-point margin. Not 5. Not 15. 50!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
13. They sure as hell are trying to say that
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:53 AM
Mar 2019

Tom Watson.






"A lot of people think Hillary is the most hated Democrat up in Burlington, but that's wrong. It's Obama. This rally is about that."


You don't need to be a genius to figure out what he's getting at there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. I don't see this Watson guy or anyone else saying that Sanders has zero support...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:00 AM
Mar 2019

...among POC and non-millennial women.

The point has always been that he got crushed by Clinton among POC and non-millennial women; not that he has zero support.

As for Watson, I don't know who he is, but I suggest ignoring him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
18. Who is this "they" that you are referring to?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:22 AM
Mar 2019

Tom Watson is an individual.

Meanwhile, you are the individual posting Tom Watson's tweet in this thread.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
59. There was another thread based solely on this tweet
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:01 PM
Mar 2019

It seems to have been removed now but it was here when I posted that. But surely Watson's tweet isn't the first time you've seen this particular meme pushed.

It's pushed constantly on twitter and elsewhere. And has been for years. There is simply no way you could have missed it.


So why are you asking this question? I can't know the answer to that but I do know I don't have to play along. So sorry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
84. Do you have a link...for context?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:59 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
94. Do you?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:20 PM
Mar 2019

Do you bet not? That's terrific.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
100. I don't link to or support Jill Stein acolytes like Tim Black and Anthony Zenkus or their admirers.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:40 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
101. That's nice
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:44 PM
Mar 2019

Irrelevant but very nice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
103. Correct on one count, but
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:51 PM
Mar 2019

I won't run around in circles explaining why it's wrong on the other.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
105. Okay
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:52 PM
Mar 2019

Sounds great.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
136. Says the author of the infamous (and odious) Not good enough, Bernie!!" thread??
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:22 PM
Mar 2019


The mind boggles.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
97. LOL.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:31 PM
Mar 2019

What tweet? I'm not on Twitter.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
99. lol indeed
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:37 PM
Mar 2019

this one here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=12320


previously referenced by you in this post here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=12328


and now I'm to believe you forgot about its existence? lol indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,127 posts)
102. There are literally thousands of tweets posted on DU.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:48 PM
Mar 2019

How am I supposed to discern that the tweet that you are complaining about is the one that you posted, especially after you said it was removed?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
121. You posted in the thread commenting on the tweet before the troll was banned and
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:43 PM
Mar 2019

his post with the tweet removed. He returned this morning but he's gone. Again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
28. Oh yes they are saying that POC and women don't support him. The *any* you
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:04 AM
Mar 2019

added is all you, no one said he didn't have *any*. There is post after post saying POC and women don't and won't support him and "his audiences so so white". One returning troll was just flagged after posting a tweet of a doctored photo claiming only white people are at his events, the photo with faces blurred out in the audience. As a WOC I will support Bernie till the end and beyond. I know he has my back.

This is not 2016 and Hillary is not a factor on this race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
31. Actually, the OP I replied to claims that people are saying Sanders only appeals to white people.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:27 AM
Mar 2019

So, again, I haven't seen anyone say that. Just that his support comes predominantly from white folks and millennials.

If anyone is claiming he "only" appeals to white people, ignore them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. Look at the subject line of the OP, it says "only". That is equivalent to "any".
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:24 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
62. Yet, speaking from experience you will take a person to task for using a word that's different
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:22 PM
Mar 2019

or isn't the same. I must all depend on the person George. Have a great day. See you tomorrow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Not my experience. Yours?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:27 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
66. Yeah mine George. How quickly we forget
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:31 PM
Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
60. Yeah
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:09 PM
Mar 2019

Unbelievable that so many people would deny what has been a constant theme here for years

It's predictable I guess given the way things go here, but still. It's just unbelievable.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
61. A smart man had this to say about some of the attitudes we see about Bernie
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:17 PM
Mar 2019

"When you don't like someone, or even worse, if you hate them, you see everything that person
does, even the genuinely good stuff, through the filter of your hate."

The hatred some hold for him has a flavor. You can taste it through their words. One nasty troll got banned yesterday, he was back today same posts, same taste.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
67. Back already?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:31 PM
Mar 2019

I hadn't noticed the return but that one is relentless.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
68. Yep, back this morning. It's almost like a full time job for some.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:33 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
70. Find 1 post that claims Sanders doesn't have any supporters of color.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:44 PM
Mar 2019

You're attacking a strawman of your own creation.

Obviously Sanders has some POC and non-millennial women supporting him. But the percentage was so low that we knew after Super Tuesday in 2016 that Clinton had the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
71. No
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:46 PM
Mar 2019

it's not a strawman and I'm not hunting down posts for you. So very sorry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
72. That's what I thought. There are so many, yet you can't find a single 1.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:49 PM
Mar 2019

Because you have completely misconstrued what people have been saying.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,154 posts)
107. Exactly.. he's Not fooling anyone.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:03 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,154 posts)
111. Yes, it Most Certainly IS a "Strawman".
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:56 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
95. Hm.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:20 PM
Mar 2019
As a WOC I will support Bernie till the end and beyond. I know he has my back.


Then why are you 'undecided"
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
98. Why am I undecided? I'm waiting to hear more from Inslee, who was great on the View this
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:35 PM
Mar 2019

morning and put Megan in her place a few times and then there is Pete Buttigeig. Talk about an embarrassment of riches. Those three are out there talking about issues that are important to me. How can I chose between them yet? Toss Marianne Williamson in the mix and that makes four I'm very interested in. Since there is only one choice I'll go with undecided.

If Bernie dropped out of the race tomorrow I will still support Bernie, till the end and beyond. I know who has my back. Bernie does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. As I noted elsewhere, there's Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, Cornell West, and Killer Mike!!!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:04 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
141. What's your point? That 1-1/2 year old "study" was published long before Mueller concluded....
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 07:45 PM
Mar 2019

....the the Russians interfered with the election.

PLUS, that study notwithstanding turnout of Blacks in the 2016 election was much higher than any previous non-Obama Democratic candidate. You do know, of course, who Barack Obama is, don't you?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
143. Now I'm confused.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:57 AM
Mar 2019

I thought the DU narrative was that the Russians had targeted Bernie Bros, not P O C. Granted, I don't have the time to spend 12 hours a day monitoring DU's latest finger pointing. Has that narrative changed?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
80. You know it!!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:50 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
24. I Saw Women In That Shot
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:59 AM
Mar 2019

All ten of them, unless I'm being tricked by guys wearing pink hats

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. I saw ZERO women in that shot...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 10:49 AM
Mar 2019

... but my eyes aren't what they used to be. I saw lots and lots of white men though... that part was unmistakable... and not at all unexpected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
26. FALSE NARRATIVE!!!!!
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 10:58 AM
Mar 2019

Huff huff puff puff and blow the house down.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
37. That's What I Mean About The Pink Hats
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:44 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
39. I was almost fooled.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:09 PM
Mar 2019

It just goes to show how important it is to examine things closely instead of accepting everything without question.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. Brooklyn is 49.5% white, 35.8% black. That crowd doesn't represent the demographics of Brooklyn.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:20 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nanjeanne

(4,950 posts)
43. . Here's someone who was there.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:42 PM
Mar 2019



I don't think CSpan showed the Chicago rally
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
86. I think C-SPAN was still covering the Jubilee Sunday events in Selma last night. N/T
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:14 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to lapucelle (Reply #86)

 

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
27. I'm a dark skinned POC and I supported Sanders in 2016
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:01 AM
Mar 2019

I don't agree with our party purging candidates this early in the process. Let voters decide who to support. A lot of working class people of all demographics support him in states that Trump won. I've seen it.

The only candidates we should be against at this time are the ones with an R next to their name or if they have pledged to run against our party's nominee in the general election. For example, it was right to nip Howard Shulz in the bud so he wouldn't be a spoiler. Sanders won't run against the Dem nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. Nobody is doing that.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:11 AM
Mar 2019
I don't agree with our party purging candidates this early in the process.
Nobody is doing that.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
32. It's gonna be a long victim season.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:33 AM
Mar 2019

I mean vetting season.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. You're right about that! I'm very much looking forward to it...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:40 AM
Mar 2019

... and I'll just leave it at that, for obvious reasons.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
131. LOL!!
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:09 AM
Mar 2019

Ain't that the truth!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. No one is purging anyone.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 11:41 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to IronLionZion (Reply #27)

 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
40. Yeah we will see. Nice to see you. nt
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:10 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
74. Who was that?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:53 PM
Mar 2019

I missed it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. No one that I know of says that he "only" appeals to white male votes...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 12:29 PM
Mar 2019

We all know that he appeals to Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, Cornell West, Killer Mike, and others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
47. No disputes that some women and POC support Sen. Sanders but is it enough? I don't think so.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:11 PM
Mar 2019

It will be over after South Carolina. And it is not about last time...consider some of what he has said of late about identity politics .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
48. That was great...haha
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:12 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
57. What a lovely post
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:52 PM
Mar 2019

Bazinga amirite?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,154 posts)
113. Oh, you disagree.. that BS "appeals" to Sarandon, Killer Mike,
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:01 PM
Mar 2019

Nina Turner, Jill Stein, etc etc..?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
120. What?
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:43 PM
Mar 2019

Did I say that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
115. You forgot Tim Black. Some have even called him a "prominent supporter".
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:17 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
52. That narrative is supported by the votes in 2016.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:18 PM
Mar 2019
MRS. CLINTON WON AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS

Mr. Sanders fought Mrs. Clinton to a draw among white voters, exit polls showed. But he was trounced among nonwhites, who cast four in 10 votes. The decisive edge for Mrs. Clinton: She won African-Americans by more than 50 percentage points.

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
55. That is what happened in Texas
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:35 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

radius777

(3,635 posts)
83. Exactly, his rural populism is unappealing
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:58 PM
Mar 2019

to most PoC and metro area voters, who are the base of the modern Dem party, and who tend to be more center-left (Clinton/Obama) style Dems who embrace trade and business, while seeking a balance.. iow more liberal capitalism than democratic socialism.

As high profile as AOC is, most NY'ers (including most PoC) supported the Amazon deal, and are upset it fell apart.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
54. No one said only. But that's his base, like it or not.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:27 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
64. Sanders had a really bad interview on this issue
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:27 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
73. Those clenched fists and that body language speak volumes.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:49 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie doesn't like to be questioned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
88. It's always easier to recite the same old stump speech... I imagine.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:26 PM
Mar 2019
Bernie doesn't like to be questioned.
I think he needs to be question more often, and more intensely. People deserve honest and straightforward answers to legitimate questions. People deserve to see a candidate's full tax returns too.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forklift

(401 posts)
96. Bernie got a pass the last time
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:25 PM
Mar 2019

He needs to be very thoroughly vetted this time.

Beyond the stump (and the only) speech he has.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
110. He often does badly in these kinds of interviews.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:29 PM
Mar 2019

He clearly doesn't like being questioned - prefers to just be taken at his word and told how awesome he is. Probably why he prefers rallies to interviews.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
117. We need a leader who can think on his or her feet.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 09:34 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie is not that person!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
106. That radio program is very important show for African American voters
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:00 PM
Mar 2019

sanders really did a bad job in this interview

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Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
129. No he does not!
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:00 AM
Mar 2019

How dare anyone question Betnie! He knows all!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,154 posts)
112. BS looks Uncomfortable.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:58 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
133. Sanders did poorly in this interview
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 11:23 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,154 posts)
134. omg..
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:04 PM
Mar 2019

Mahalo, Goth
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
135. Good luck winning the support of non-bernie bro voters with that interview
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:07 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Gothmog (Reply #135)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
142. That will be brought up again during the campaign. (nt)
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:33 AM
Mar 2019
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Joe Biden
 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
87. of course it is
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:16 PM
Mar 2019

it was also bullshit in 2016

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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
89. Kicked and recommended.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:31 PM
Mar 2019

Thanks for the thread melman.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forklift

(401 posts)
90. Interesting
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:34 PM
Mar 2019

Trump's African American supporters say the same thing about Trump!




And then there are "Women for Trump"




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Undecided
 

roody

(10,849 posts)
128. Woman here- planning to donate,
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 02:10 AM
Mar 2019

Knock on doors, and do whatever I can to get Bernie elected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
130. Maybe Jill Stein doesn't need "Killer Mike" for the Primary season?
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:16 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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