Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThose who have dismissed Warren as "unlikable," "unrelatable" or "unelectable" . . .
. . . really need to take another look.
Democrats who have bought into the idea that Elizabeth Warren is "unelectable" really need to take another look. In terms of laying out a clear and coherent policy agenda, she is miles ahead of any of the other candidates. A number of candidates have now joined her stance against appearing in any events hosted by Fox News, but it was Elizabeth Warren who led the way, and made such a compelling case.
She is leading the way in her development of economic policies. One of those policies, a plan to reach out to small business owners to get them to understand that their interests and those of giant corporations are fundamentally different (see The Atlantic, "Elizabeth Warren Has a Theory About Corporate Power" ), is a real innovation for a Democratic candidate. And in response to the outrageous abortion laws just passed in Georgia and Alabama, she has come out with a bold plan to protect a woman's right to choose.
This is what leadership looks like, folks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Un-electable my ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)Amen!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)to ever run for President. Unelectable?! Ridiculous!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)You do realize that ridiculous "accusation" was made up, and spread, by a consortium of Republican and Russians... and carried by half-witted Democrats?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
appalachiablue
(41,102 posts)usually mean not 'moderate' enough. She's already been derided as 'too professorish,' a 'schoolmarm,' a 'kook' and an OP based on her wearing eyeglasses. Unbelievable. Cuz whut, "guys don't make passes at girls who wear glasses," well worn sexism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)There's only ONE candidate that I truly dislike... but as far as Warren is concerned, she has the demeanor and the stamina that would serve her well as president. I like that she LISTENS to others and that she DOES NOT INTERRUPT others by waving her hand in their faces. Whenever I see anyone doing that, I can't help but think how arrogant and disrespectful it is. She has a genuineness and sincerity that truly shows through and I think that connects with voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)still running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'll dance a happy jig when the candidate I despise the most decides that he ("or she'') doesn't stand a chance and that his (or her) attacks on the Democratic party only serve to weaken the party with division and distrust and resentment. Those things lead to voter apathy and that just makes it easier for the GOP and Russia to steal elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,916 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JDC
(10,114 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)It's pretty clear Elizabeth is also at the top of the list of Democratic candidates Dolt45 fears the most, judging by his frequent incendiary comments about her.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)Have (had) a Fox News-watching friend and entrepreneur who railed about regulations and Democrats and Bill Clinton (goes back a ways) putting him out of business...when in reality it was big corporations undercutting and sabotaging him at every turn. Happened more than once in the 90s and early 00s: he'd come up with a good idea/product; work his butt off to get it into the marketplace and then watch his business go under, swamped by someone else with deeper pockets and the ability to run faster with his ideas....
It was all the Democrats' fault though. I eventually gave up on him. Don't even know if he luvs him some tRump; last I heard (2014?) he was hoping to retire and move to Belize i.e. "get out of this effed up country."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
earthshine
(1,642 posts)Actually, I think most of our top-tier candidates (Biden, Sanders, Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, and more) are electable.
We just need to be united around the final choice.
In terms of likeability, I think I very much dislike Biden, personality-wise. It's been that way since a few years ago when I saw some videos of the Clarence Thomas nomination hearings with Anita Hill. I saw a man more concerned about showing everyone he was in charge than providing a fair and balanced hearing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FailureToCommunicate
(14,006 posts)she is also missing that certain something that would make her a winning candidate for the rest of America. Call that "unlikable"
"unrelatable" or whatever the media is naming that quality, I reluctantly have to agree.
And I say this having worked closely on her campaign for here in Mass.
She's got good policies, and is a great Senator, and that's where we (all of us) need her to continue to be... 'fighting the good fight'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Perseus
(4,341 posts)Let us not forget that the USA voters want someone who they can drink a beer with, who is not clever, that is why GW and the buffoon became presidents, aside of the cheating of course.
For some reason, many voters feel intimidated when someone as intelligent comes around. Maybe she need to adapt her vocabulary for the idiots to understand.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
appalachiablue
(41,102 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)But, she handles it with dignity and grace, as you would expect from someone with Elizabeth's considerable skills and smarts. Good for her!! Go get 'em!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bloom
(11,635 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,181 posts)I only wish that the swing voters were interested in intellect and ideas as much as DUers are. I would love for her to get a voice/prosody coach, thatd send her soaring in the polls, I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Warren's background is anti-elite. She's didn't have the open doors GWB and Shitstain had.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,339 posts)one of the women interviewed afterward said, shes just a plain ole country girl. When people hear she grew up poor in Oklahoma and how that shaped her life and work it changes perceptions in a hurry.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(67,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Warren doesn't come off as unlikable at all in interviews. I think unlikeable is subbing for "she's a woman" in a lot of these arguments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)She's electric.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Boomer
(4,167 posts)But every media appearance of hers is so inspiring.
My dream ticket would be Warren/Buttigieg -- I think they'd make a dynamite team.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)I love her energy and the willingness to put forward specific policy ideas even if I dont agree with all of them. If my states primary was today thered be a 50-50 chance Id vote for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rurallib
(62,373 posts)He called me back and said "she is the real thing!"
I am only undecided because Harris is also nearly as amazing.
If I were to pick right this moment it would be Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
appalachiablue
(41,102 posts)"Bailey" for First Dog!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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zentrum
(9,865 posts).....and moved closer to making her my top pick. She's terrific.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iscooterliberally
(2,859 posts)Now I'm back in south Florida and I get to vote for her again! I think she would be an amazing president!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)I am corporate attorney and so I like legal types like Warren. She is brilliant. I do not find her unlikable or unrelatable. My son and middle child are both lawyers and they really like her (my son loves the fact that she is a bankruptcy attorney) and my middle child's best friend (another lawyer) has already maxed out for Warren
I gave Warren a donation a while back because my middle child asked me to.
I do think that Biden is more electable but that does not mean that I dislike Warren
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)top two preferences.
I will wait until after the first debate to make my choice.
What has also recently encouraged me about her candidacy is that my older son REALLY likes her. HIS top preference is Jay Inslee. But he also likes Warren. He also has a pretty good feel for trends in his generation and reported to me this week that, based on his anecdotal experience, which involves both blue and white collar workers among white and minority groups, Warren is trending favorably among that demographic.
Again, that's only anecdotal experience and it is from the DC metropolitan area, which is generally liberal.
But still ....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)first choice all along for the reasons you stated. I still hear people say she can't be elected and start ticking off her thoughtful, reasoned policies. She is my primary choice
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hulk
(6,699 posts)But her voice, vision and calculated plans to turn this country around are worth the gamble.
We really need to have a MASSIVE blue wave in the Senate. These fuckers managed to fight everything the last real President proposed, and giving them a majority turned them into a wrecking ball to the legislative
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patphil
(6,144 posts)But, I agree, I would hate to lose her in the Senate.
Do you think we can clone her?
Patrick Phillips
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Their basic discussion is that the candidate should be bland vanilla to be electable. But that has nothing to do with what ACTUALLY happens. It is the candidate who INSPIRES the voters who gets elected. They didn't feel Obama was electable. They don't have a clue but use that as the justification for their personal choice.
GO ELIZABETH. She is AWESOME! And gaining ground.
(and of course, it seems that every one of the Democratic candidates I see I love)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(35,925 posts)Voters need to forge past their doubts, prejudices and really listen, think about her plans, look at her record, make the good faith calculation and vote her that shot.
If any Democrat is better than Trump, and if she and Kamala can't make it to the presidency -- or even the primary(!) -- they are not the problem.
The problem is the disease of Patriarchy that's infected the body politic with a sick view of women leaders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)Is it legitimate to contemplate whether she would match up well against President Sociopath?
President Sociopath certainly spends a lot of time "thinking" about that, as evidenced by his attacks on her. He's been trying to take her out for 2 years now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . But I have encountered various friends and acquaintances who very early on bought into the idea. So I just thought I would throw this out there.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)As you said, I don't see that opinion stated on DU, but that's who you addressed your OP to by implication.
Same as the endless DU "M$Greedia" complaints. Why not say who specifically did express that opinion? X centrist apologist on Y new station said Z?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)would far prefer to run against her than Joe Biden. He's already rented space in her head for free with the DNA test thing.
Of course, there's always that saying about, "Be careful for what you wish for."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)Its so ubiquitous that even DUers are coming up with clever comeback variants: "Brokeahontas".
What's his nickname for Harris? He's to scared to come up with one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)of anyone he mocked, thus he trotted out "Alfred E Neuman" for Pete Buttigieg. He thinks he can beat Pete, so he engages in name calling. I think he is wary of trying to boost name recognition for Sen. Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)She's a thinking person's populist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I will of course, vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever that is. Sure would be nice if it turned out to be Elizabeth Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
druidity33
(6,444 posts)in a restaurant/bar in the town near me in western mass during her first campaign for Senate. At the time i was working as a dishwasher/prep cook and happened to be having my shift beer after work when she walked in with her entourage. She ordered a local IPA (actually ASKED for a local IPA... half pint). There were only maybe a dozen or so patrons in the place and everyone had a chance to ask her questions... totally impromptu and unscheduled. I remembered thinking she was fantastic. I still think so. She's been my Senator for awhile now and her office has always been responsive. Western Mass always kinda gets shafted in state politics though that's maybe a different argument that has little to do with Sen Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,278 posts)Also need to look at their motivation in labeling her as such.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and I think the nation would love her-- she's brilliant, but doesn't talk down to you.
Bill Clinton was a smart guy with that talent of looking you straight in the eye and you knew he saw you. Warren's got that talent, and is a lot smarter.
Remember Carl Sagan? Warren is what Sagan would be if he went into politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MasonDreams
(756 posts)In one week, maybe two, of comitted gruelling physical training. A REAL film of her (NO HELMET ) exiting an APC (armored personnel carrier) climbing on top (the slow moving APC) with a manual reloading 20Ga shotgun to shout three clay pigeons fairly rapidly.
OMG LANSLIDE VICTORIES!! Primary & general.
She already has the Senate experience and the academic chops. Her policy proposals are head and shoulders above the rest.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lefta Dissenter
(6,622 posts)Touring Pakistan and Afghanistan arent enough? My son, who was a diplomat in Pakistan at the time, was one of the tour guides for Senators Warren, McCain, Graham (ugh), and two or three others a few years ago. He accompanied them in Pakistani helicopters out to tour the battle-ravaged areas on the border. This was not play-acting. It was real.
I dont think she actually needs to have slaughtered civilians in order to qualify to be Commander in Chief.
(Perhaps I missed some nuance in your post. If so, I apologize.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MasonDreams
(756 posts)Sen.Warren is awesome. I just want her to be such a superhero that drumpf would crumble when she walks into the room.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lefta Dissenter
(6,622 posts)He wouldnt recognize a superhero even if he were smothered in her cape.
(Yet, as long as youre fantasizing, you can add that detail )
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(7,997 posts)Sounds familiar. They said the same thing about Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,557 posts)She gets it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
applegrove
(118,460 posts)Last edited Fri May 17, 2019, 11:41 PM - Edit history (2)
Real Time. I would love to see a Warren Harris ticket. We have such talent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,509 posts)Seriously, this misogyny is getting stale.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)No problem
My only concern is that she's too smart for the job. Kind of like police departments, I fear the electorate isn't comfortable with anyone who appears too intelligent, but we can hope.
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She understands the economy- what's screwed up and what might fix it - as well as anyone who has ran for president in a century or more (Teddy R understood the macro problems and how to attack them).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,237 posts)will be considered unlikable and the usual bs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hekate
(90,526 posts)Those who make it need to "take another look" at themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gumboot
(531 posts)... finds Liz very relatable and likeable.
Every time I hear her speak on TV news, I'm more and more impressed.
And I think she would steamroller Trump in a debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Chalco
(1,307 posts)that she was right about free college tuition.
She said that 100 years ago young people needed a high school diploma to get a job
and so high school was made a public right and deemed free for all. The same
rationale stands now. Everyone needs a college education to get a job, therefore,
it should be free.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)authority to pursue a very progressive agenda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kimbutgar
(21,039 posts)I like her fight and willing to go among real people like she did in a West Virginia. I bet she got some local tv coverage. I could never imagine fat donnie getting that close to his cult members.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nitram
(22,755 posts)American people the way she is very likable, but it's irrelevant. As for "unrelatable" or "unelectable" I call bullshit! Any liberal must find her relatable. As for "unelectable," there's only now way to find out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)I like her a lot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)"This is what leadership looks like, folks." Kamala Harris is also a woman who can win. imo
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Peacetrain
(22,872 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)debates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kentuck
(111,050 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden