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Ocasio-Cortez, progressives trash 'antisemitic' Politico illustration of Bernie Sanders
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) joined a growing crowd of progressives on Twitter Saturday to denounce illustrations published by Politico as anti-Semitic.
The illustrations in question, published Friday as part of a Politico investigation into Sanders' wealth and how he came to be worth just over $1 million, depict Sanders, who is Jewish, next to a tree made of money, while another shows a grinning Sanders appearing to hold his house in the palm of his hand while two other properties he owns sit on his shoulders.
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"Can @politico explain to us how photoshopping money trees next to the only Jewish candidate for president and talking about how 'cheap' and rich he is *isnt* antisemitic?" the congresswoman wrote, adding: "Or are they just letting this happen because hes a progressive politician they dont like?"
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Sanders, who is currently placing second in most polls of early 2020 Democratic primary states, would be the first Jewish president if elected to the office in 2020.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/445562-ocasio-cortez-progressives-trash-antisemitic-politico-illustration-of-bernie
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DavidDvorkin
(19,404 posts)It's anti-Sanders. It's specifically about the conflict between his rhetoric and his newfound wealth. That applies to him, not to any of the other candidates. His being the only Jewish candidate is irrelevant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Look at this. I mean..come on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)I don't see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)cheap but not poor = rich and stingy
from wiki:
Foxman describes six facets of canards used by proponents of economic antisemitism:
All Jews are wealthy.[9]
Jews are stingy and greedy.[10]
Powerful Jews control the business world.[11]
Judaism emphasizes profit and materialism[12]
Jews may cheat non-Jews[13]
Jews use their power to benefit "their own kind."[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_antisemitism#Stereotypes_and_canards
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)All I see is a guy with some houses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Guess he should fire his staffer for being Anti-Semantic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Those too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....in that article was it mentioned that Sanders is Jewish. To pull them out of a wikipedia piece and attribute those six statements to the article is unconscionable.
My brother-in-law is the cheapest person I've ever known, he gets teased about it at family gatherings, and he's proud of it.
He's Catholic.
You might want to see this in the Jewish Journal "Best of the Web" section:
https://jewishjournal.com/newsroom/money/how-does-a-socialist-get-so-rich/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....the six statements you provided as "proof" of anti-Semitism in the article.
If I were to talk about Mitt Romney's wealth would I be considered anti-Mormon?
If I were to talk about Nancy Pelosi's wealth would I be considered anti-Catholic?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)No further comment was required.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,206 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ck4829
(34,966 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm fairly "meh" about the whole "controversy". This has no legs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Check this out: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287133064
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DavidDvorkin
(19,404 posts)Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)Its basically a desperate attempt by Sanders supporters to change the narrative away from Bernies wealth which they know does not play well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)A Jewish man with a digitalised money tree, holding up his "mansions".
I'm not a Bernie supporter because of his crankiness. But goddamn it, there are nazis in the street, a "residen t" fueling anti-Semitism, and a rise in white supremacy TERRORISM.
SHAME.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,906 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)He is portrayed in the article as being "rich". It's the visual picture, along with the premise that makes this anti-Semitic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Peace to you backtoblue
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)Did you do this one?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)I pulled it off a tweet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)How did he amass three houses and a net worth approaching at least $2 million? The surprisingly conventional middle-class climbing of a radical-sounding socialist.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)What is the "hand" Bruce Seifer is showing by calling his friend "cheap"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)Someone at Politico wrote the tweet. Bruce Seifer did not produce the pictures. Seifers endearing remarks about his friend are not at issue here. But you know that already. If you dont see the anti-Semitism jump off the page, then you are lucky. I see it; it hurts; and I cant unsee it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)It's Bruce Seifer who called BS "cheap". Bruce Seifer says BS is "cheap" and Politico rejoins with "but not poor".
It's Seifer who made the claim on the record that BS is cheap. Politico reported it.
The money tree is a reference to the topic of the piece,
How did he amass three houses and a net worth approaching at least $2 million? The surprisingly conventional middle-class climbing of a radical-sounding socialist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)102. Agreed. The "cheap" comment shows their hand
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287132124#post102
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)A fucking MONEY TREE and a Jew. Come the fuck on.
It is also a joke to say Bernie is now some 1% hypocrite. His total wealth is nowhere near the top 1%, which STARTS at over 10 million USD.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I'm truly at a loss.
Symbolism is a powerful propaganda tool for hate.
Im two seconds from flaming out. If Fox News would have published this.....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)You do NOT have to be a Sanderite to call this SHIT out. Our political discourse and zeitgeist is once again becoming so goddamn coarsened it is becoming a socio-psychological bone saw.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Susan Calvin
(1,644 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
yardwork
(61,408 posts)It's stupid to attack any candidate for being rich. However, one candidate has made such attacks a feature of his campaigns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and socialism either. Connecting Jews with socialism or communism is a BIG antisemitic trope.
We can discuss finance and socialism about any of the other candidates, but not the Jewish one. And we should be very angry if the FEC requires him to report his campaign finances because we all know what that's really about!
Everyone got that? In fact, someone should let Sanders himself know about the socialism thing so he can stop inadvertently stirring up antisemitic themes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FreeBe
(104 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982
There is nothing antisemitic about trying to reconcile "socialist" BS's status as an establishment millionaire with his carefully crafted political image as something else entirely.
I'm not sure why Cortez is trying to shut down a journalist simply because he dared to write an article about the millions of dollars and the three homes that BS has acquired during his time in public service. I wonder if she read the article.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)as fox snooze.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)about the "billionaire class" when he joined ranks of the wealthy?
The top 5% of earners had average annual wages of $299,810 in 2017, according to the Social Security data. Thats more than five times the 2017 average wages of $53,474. Overall, this group lays claim to a 28.1% share of wages in the U.S.
To be certified as a one-percenter, youll need to earn $718,766. One-percenters have a 13.4% share of wages.
Actually, Fox Snooze said that having $250,000 wasn't "wealthy" when it came to raising taxes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(91,937 posts)was referring to Jews, when she equated it with "All about the Benjamins"
Nice try, but no cigar
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Susan Calvin
(1,644 posts)What annoys me is that because he's become upper-middle-class, through his own hard work, they're implying that he's one of the 1%. I mean that metaphorically. I doubt $1 million gets you into the 1%, but when I say 1% I don't just mean amount of money you have , I mean how you got it and what you do with it.
Not to mention there are some amounts of money that are just obscene and that no human being could be said to have earned in the maximum lifespan of a human being. A lot of the 1%, the amount of money they have means the employees of their corporations are being screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,627 posts)see my post #14
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287132124#post4
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Susan Calvin
(1,644 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)No reason to downplay the fact that multiple million dollar years is a lot.
That fact doesnt change or excuse the nature of the images.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,627 posts)I do not want Bernie to run for POTUS, I think he is a divisive presence, but I also care about accuracy and perception, and for some, it seems to me, want to try to paint him as some sort of hypocritical (now) part of the US economic controller class (which is what most all his critiques are against) in order to discredit his economic policies. That is simply not accurate.
Bernie is powerful, but certainly that does not come from his accumulated wealth. If he liquidated all his assets (including selling his his Washington condo and his original house, plus the 575,000 dollar summer home he bought recently), then after taxes he would probably have around half (or maybe a little more, I assume his 2 older properties have went up in value, especially the condo, although his 2 million dollar figure does purport to show their present value) of what it would take to buy Biden's new 2.7 million dollar home. That is not a swipe at Biden in the least, it is simple showing a comparision. Biden may now well be over the 10 million net wealth threshold (his book deal was around 8 million USD) BUT Biden is also nowhere near the economic level of the controlling class. Just like Sanders, almost all his power is political. Sanders still is well below the average net wealth of Democratic Senators, even after his newly minted book income.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)From the article
How did he amass three houses and a net worth approaching at least $2 million? The surprisingly conventional middle-class climbing of a radical-sounding socialist.
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Sanders has become one of those rich people against whom he has so unrelentingly railed. The champion of the underclass and castigator of the 1 percent has found himself in the socioeconomic penthouse of his rhetorical boogeymen. This development, seen mostly as the result of big bucks brought in by the slate of books hes put out in the past few years, predictably has elicited snarky pokes, partisan jabs and charges of hypocrisy. The millionaire socialist!
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982
BS is a millionaire with three homes, but he's technically not part of the 1%, so it doesn't really matter?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)Sanders, that was anti-Semitic, this isnt. It is an anti-Sanders piece trying to imply that because Sanders has some money it runs counter to his political ideology, which is nonsense, since it isnt even comparable to the money corruption he is talking about
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)you ARE glomming onto a truly shit meme.
Pro tip:
Defending an article that uses a Jew and a digital money tree shot is NOT a good look, no matter how much you will try and protest and rationalise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)while he himself is rich,
"Sanders has a narrative arc that would form the backbone of the campaign story of almost any other candidate. But its more complicated for him. Theres never been anybody like Sanders in the modern political history of this countrysomebody who made a career out of haranguing millionaires
and who is now a millionaire himself. There is no set strategy for how to run for president as a democratic socialist with an expensive lakefront summer house. Americans generally dont begrudge millionaires their millionsand, as Donald Trump has confirmed, the aura of wealth can serve as a useful means of self-promotionbut what to make of Sanders apparently conflicting narratives?"
You want to interpret that as an attack against his being Jewish, but the article is making it very clear what it is referring to, and from the author's perspective Sanders is being disingenuous.
This has nothing to do with his being Jewish
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)also, keep on digging by defending that dodgy as fuck imagery contained in that article
You want to whinge on about Omar taking on a political entity that is one of the most powerful lobbies in our country (AIPAC and its members have spent hundreds of millions in political contributions and lobbying in just the past decade), but then try and call 'no foul' when it is a direct attack on an individual Jew and his so-called 'wealth'.
like I said
FAIL
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)Don't lecture me on anti-Semitism. I have been the recipient of it since I was kid
Have a nice day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Still_one is a respected member of DU and has been here for 19 years. As he has stated above the article, which many seem not to have read, has to do with his newfound wealth that he has acquired in only three years, not the fact that he is Jewish.
while he himself is rich,
"Sanders has a narrative arc that would form the backbone of the campaign story of almost any other candidate. But its more complicated for him. Theres never been anybody like Sanders in the modern political history of this countrysomebody who made a career out of haranguing millionaires and who is now a millionaire himself. There is no set strategy for how to run for president as a democratic socialist with an expensive lakefront summer house. Americans generally dont begrudge millionaires their millionsand, as Donald Trump has confirmed, the aura of wealth can serve as a useful means of self-promotionbut what to make of Sanders apparently conflicting narratives?"
You want to interpret that as an attack against his being Jewish, but the article is making it very clear what it is referring to, and from the author's perspective Sanders is being disingenuous.
This has nothing to do with his being Jewish
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287132124#post34
Fact is, you are attacking a Jewish man while trying to defend a Jewish man.
Still_one is a friend that I have known here for seven years and one of the most fair and balanced members of DU.
With all due respect, please stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)There is nothing dodgy about the imagery illustrating an article entitled
How did he amass three houses and a net worth approaching at least $2 million? The surprisingly conventional middle-class climbing of a radical-sounding socialist.
Cortez is simply attempting to deflect the discussion from the personal wealth that BS has amassed and its impact on his carefully curated political brand. I wonder if she even read the article.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
and for actually READING the article.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)interpreted as associating Sanders being a Jew with money, However, the author of the article makes it pretty clear what he is referring to, and that is Sanders political ideology against "millionaires", while he himself is one.
The reason why I cynically suspect they are pushing this is because in the OP, there is a link which refers to Rep. Casio-Cortez saying that this is allowed because Sanders is a progressive, "so it is ok", but when Rep. Omar is accused of controversial statements, it isn't ok, leads me to believe that this is less about whether this is anti-Jewish or not, and more about politics
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)*Sigh*
interpreted as associating Sanders being a Jew with money, However, the author of the article makes it pretty clear what he is referring to, and that is Sanders political ideology against "millionaires", while he himself is one.
Yes. He has also dropped that from his speeches now.
The reason why I cynically suspect they are pushing this is because in the OP, there is a link which refers to Rep. Casio-Cortez saying that this is allowed because Sanders is a progressive, "so it is ok", but when Rep. Omar is accused of controversial statements, it isn't ok, leads me to believe that this is less about whether this is anti-Jewish or not, and more about politics
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)about him being Jewish, rather than debating the merits or demerits of the article itself.
As you mentioned, he has dropped the millionaire from his speeches
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)as you yourself said right here
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=132211
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(91,937 posts)was that instead of debating the merits or demerits of the actual article, some prefer to divert attention from that, and instead say it was being anti-Jewish against Bernie, which I don't agree with that assessment
I wonder if Sanders will speak to this in the next few days, and whether he views the article as anti-Jewish, or if he views the article as miscasting him as one of the 1%.
If he comments, my guess would be the later
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,906 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)We live in a dangerous era of neonazi hate and propaganda.
These nazi groups will use such graphics in their own propaganda of hate.
I live in the Ozarks. I am fighting Holocaust deniers and nazi marches in my own town.
I can't condone this articles graphics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)ideology against milliionaires, and pointing out, from the authors perspective, that Sanders himself is a millionaire.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-2269
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)was no ambiguity there in my mind, that was anti-Jewish.
On this, I understand what you are saying, and I guess if the graphic wasn't there, then this wouldn't raise the question, or cross the line as you stated
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
backtoblue
(11,323 posts)Debate is healthy and at the end of the day, we stand for our democratic values.
I have a vested interest in the visual graphics because I've seen first hand how supremist groups use these graphics to further their agenda.
We will rise above hate through healthy discussion and empathy toward one another.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)perspectives.
I appreciate your points, and I am thinking about them
Thanks
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mucifer
(23,367 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
People are saying you have to separate the article from the images.
Why? Politico didn't. They used those images. It's not separate at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)Rep Omar was critizing the Israeli lobbying group AIPAC. Here they are critizing a Jewish individual.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(91,937 posts)socialist ideology which is counter to wealth. It is a nonsensical argument in Sanders case though,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)see here >>>>>> https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287132124#post4
Now your candidate, hmmmm
Middle-Class Joe rakes in millions
The former VP on the brink of a likely presidential campaign has done quite well financially since leaving office in 2017.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/18/joe-biden-2020-money-wealth-1221934
Middle-Class Joe Biden has a $2.7 million (my add- that one home is far more than Bernie's current total net worth) vacation home. He charges more than $100,000 per speaking gig and has inked a book deal likely worth seven figures.
Since leaving office in 2017, the 76-year-old former vice president has watched his bank account swell as he continues to cultivate the image of a regular, Amtrak-riding guy. Hes repeatedly referred to himself as Middle-Class Joe on the campaign trail and in speaking engagements as he publicly mulls whether to run for president.
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Biden Books Go to Flatiron
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/book-deals/article/73268-biden-books-go-to-flatiron.html
Flatiron Books president and publisher Bob Miller has announced the acquisition of two non-fiction works by former Vice President Joe Biden, as well as a third book to be co-written with Dr. Jill Biden, his wife.
Sources say the deal is valued at $8 million; Flatiron and its parent company, Macmillan, would not comment. The Bidens were represented by CAA in the world rights deal, Flatiron Books' editorial director Colin Dickerman is set to edit.
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Joe Bidens Paid Speech Buoyed the G.O.P. in Midwest Battleground
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/politics/biden-speech-fred-upton.html
Joseph R. Biden Jr. swept into Benton Harbor, Mich., three weeks before the November elections, in the midst of his quest to reclaim the Midwest for Democrats. He took the stage at Lake Michigan College as Representative Fred Upton, a long-serving Republican from the area, faced the toughest race of his career.
But Mr. Biden was not there to denounce Mr. Upton. Instead, he was collecting $200,000 from the Economic Club of Southwestern Michigan to address a Republican-leaning audience, according to a speaking contract obtained by The New York Times and interviews with organizers. The group, a business-minded civic organization, is supported in part by an Upton family foundation.
Mr. Biden stunned Democrats and elated Republicans by praising Mr. Upton while the lawmaker looked on from the audience. Alluding to Mr. Uptons support for a landmark medical-research law, Mr. Biden called him a champion in the fight against cancer and one of the finest guys Ive ever worked with.
Mr. Bidens remarks, coming amid a wide-ranging discourse on American politics, quickly appeared in Republican advertising. The local Democratic Party pleaded with Mr. Biden to repair what it saw as a damaging error, to no avail. On Nov. 6, Mr. Upton defeated his Democratic challenger by four and a half percentage points.
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glass houses
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)pushing a socialist agenda, yet he has a lot of money. (the author's view, not mine"
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982
It is not about Sanders being Jewish, and that being associated with wealth, but that he attacks millionaires, when he himself is a millionaire
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)Let us say it is 2 million USD. Thats is less than one fifth of what it takes to even qualify at the bottom of the 1% in the US today.
54 (I picked 54 for a reason you will see below) years ago that translated out to about 125,000 USD, adjusted for inflation.
If I am worth only 2 million in constant dollars (ie. non inflation adjusted) when I turn Bernie's age (which is 54 years from now as I am 23) I will probably be FUCKED. The average property price in Mayfair (where I mostly grew up in London) is £2,733,330 (3.48m USD). That includes a tonne of bedsits, studios and TINY 1 BDRMS. The average house is £13,950,000 (17.73 million USD).
This whole Bernie as some newbie (and now hypocritical) oligarch meme is a joke, it really is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)Average net worth of Democratic Senators 2004-2012 (cannot find newer figures atm)
It dropped a lot in 2012 because Kerry and Kohl (over 400 million combined at the time 2011, now they are worth around a BILLION, hello stock market bubble) left
https://ballotpedia.org/Net_worth_of_United_States_Senators_and_Representatives
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)$1,073,333 in 2016, https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2016.pdf
$1,150,891 in 2017, https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2017.pdf
561,293 in 2019 (first page missing!), https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2018.pdf
That is deep into the 1%, maybe even the 0.5%?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)I always stated I was dealing with net worth, go back and look at my posts
he may get there, but is nowhere near it yet
he won't make it via cashing in from being POTUS, so he will have to started writing more books
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,627 posts)examples (and there are thousands)
Incredible photos give a totally unexpected perspective into how the 1% lives
https://www.businessinsider.com/a-look-into-how-the-1-lives-2016-5?r=US&IR=T
Richest 1% will own more than all the rest by 2016
https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2015-01-19/richest-1-will-own-more-all-rest-2016?cid=aff_affwd_donate_id78888&awc=5991_1558844697_d8a8d5a4291c0bbb09bb32944a1dbd3e
Many times the ultra rich report no income, but they are still ultra rich.
The very sentence itself is:
The wealthiest 1% in the nation.
Look at how Bernie himself critiques people.... 'millionaires and billionaires'. You can EASILY be a paper 'millionaire' and never get close to making a 1% level per annum income. Ask millions of Californians, NYC-dwellers, and Londoners who own houses and flats that have exploded in value since they bought them for pennies on the pound/dollar.
A person can have a couple big years of income and then it stops. Unless they are very good at leveraging it and extending it, they certainly will not be a 1% (let alone the 0.1%, which is were I like to draw the line) in terms of being a member of the 'ownership' class.
Look at the history of so many pro athletes. A few years making huge salaries and a signing bonus, the boom. It all ends.
It is crazy how many end up bankrupt.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)To be certified as a one-percenter, youll need to earn $718,766. One-percenters have a 13.4% share of wages.
https://www.investopedia.com/personal-finance/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They're clearly worried that his ratings are dropping so early, even as they themselves remind people of what would best be hidden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)God, those people are disgusting. They try to find any tiny thing they can to make a scandal out of. Disgusting. But I don't go to politico anyway so I can't really stop going there.
Anyway, these attacks just make my connection to him stronger. Go Bernie.
They're just afraid the country would go in a new direction if Bernie becomes president. . . you know, in the direction that sends some of the wealth we generate to working Americans and not have it all go to the upper 1%. That's why they are so afraid of him. Desperate people do desperate things.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,129 posts)but yes, this is anti Semitic and it is ridiculous to deny that.
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still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Or Mitt Romney? Or George W. Bush? Or Donald "I'm very very rich" Trump? No. Of course it is anti-Semitic!
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still_one
(91,937 posts)being Jewish, but with his political ideology, where millionaires have corrupted everything, and how it runs counter to him now being a millionaire
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982
"Sanders has a narrative arc that would form the backbone of the campaign story of almost any other candidate. But its more complicated for him. Theres never been anybody like Sanders in the modern political history of this countrysomebody who made a career out of haranguing millionaires
and who is now a millionaire himself. There is no set strategy for how to run for president as a democratic socialist with an expensive lakefront summer house. Americans generally dont begrudge millionaires their millionsand, as Donald Trump has confirmed, the aura of wealth can serve as a useful means of self-promotionbut what to make of Sanders apparently conflicting narratives?"
Some want to interpret that as an attack against his being Jewish, but the article is making it very clear what it is referring to, and from the author's perspective Sanders is being disingenuous.
This has nothing to do with his being Jewish
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Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)hence the false claim that he's being disingenuous. The give away for the author is the line, "Americans generally don't begrudge millionaires their millions..." Emphasis mine. A common refrain of the Capitalist, the socialist can't be poor, or else they are envious, nor can they own anything without being hypocrites.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doodley
(8,976 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You really shouldn't. "Everyone" knows socialism is a Jewish plot for world domination. It's right up there with the goldfarb trope.
to make everyone know I'm not accusing Sanders myself, but big no to the antisemitic smear of association with socialism.
Btw, did you know that during the last big rise in left-wing antisemitism (I was a teen and young adult then), virtually every far-left movement in the nation moved from just hypocritical "anti-Zionism" to outright, blatant anti-semitism? (EXCEPT the democratic socialists, so I suspect that's why Sanders aligned with them. Jews had become distinctly unwelcome in other farther-left groups.)
Not surprising when you think about it. On the right, Jews were associated with the Antichrist, socialism, communism, stillborn babies, you name it. But on the revolutionary left, the evil, grasping "Goldfarb" Jew was characterized as behind all the evils of capitalism.
Btw, all this talk of left-wing antisemitism begs the question of who will be leading Sanders' current followers, and where, once he exits the stage? The next left-wing populist leader is unlikely to be Jewish, both because they're only 2% of the population and because we're in the midst of another era of left-wing antisemitism. Keeping in mind that populist groups must always have targets for their antagonisms...
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yardwork
(61,408 posts)I assume they're pointing out hypocrisy.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)By fans of Sanders.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)beholder. I see no nexus in the image between Sanders and his ethnicity, faith, cultural heritage, or ancestry. It is an anti-Sanders image, reiterating a criticism already made about him which has not
been anti-Semitic in nature, as unfair as it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)So there's no hidden meaning there, as there would be in a RW site that caters to the extremist right. Someone could make that connection, I suppose. I don't think it would have occurred to me, and I don't think that was the intent, since the story is about his newly acquired wealth. I think the criticism of his newfound wealth is unfair. You don't have to be poor to want policies that help the poor or working class. FDR is an example of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,122 posts)in our society is so depraved.
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comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)millionaire one percenter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)The whole thing is a desperate attempt by Sanders supporters to change the narrative.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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RandiFan1290
(6,206 posts)But not at all surprised.
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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)It is high time for Sanders and others to stop using antisemitism as an excuse for hypocrisy.
There is nothing anti-Semitic about the investigation into his finances.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)Then he went on about Blacks and Irish?
at 5:00 mark
I also seem to recall a town hall in 2016 where he was asked about his ethnicity and he said he is an immigrant from Poland. And now he's suddenly "the only Jewish candidate? To quote the Church Lady - "Isn't that convenient!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I think that, like a fact check that doesn't find him spotless is a "hit piece," any commentary on Sanders's wealth is considered "unacceptable" by him and his supporters and "anti-semitic" is a way to rationalize that.
The piece is associating his political socialist ideology which is counter to wealth...
Notwithstanding Bernie is an athiest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)The piece by Politico; a political news website being sadly ignorant of what Democratic Socialism means, not to mention Bernie's actual message is no excuse for their anti-Semitic illustration.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Perhaps you missed that part of the post you were replying to? Or the article in the OP?
Pointing out that irony is not "anti-semitic" any more than talking about Hillary Clinton's speaking fees was misogynist.
It's Bruce Seifer who called BS "cheap". Bruce Seifer says BS is "cheap" and Politico rejoins with "but not poor".
It's Seifer who made the claim on the record that BS is cheap. Politico reported it.
The money tree is a reference to the topic of the piece.
Commentary on Sanders that is less than adoring is not necessarily sinister and false in nature, despite a tendency of some to believe that.
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Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)in particular and how they pertain to a person's inherent right to obtain personal wealth,( they don't argue against it,) and it was only made worse by Politico's anti-Semitic illustration.
One would think a political website would know that millionaires exist in democratic socialist and even socialist nations throughout the world, many if not most of whom are our allies.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And, pointing out that irony is not "anti-semitic" any more than talking about Hillary Clinton's speaking fees was misogynist.
Some believe any commentary on Sanders that isn't praise is a "hit piece" and couldn't possibly have any validity.
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Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)I just pointed out why the willfully ignorant Politico piece had no validity, it's very premise was faulty.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)a·nal·o·gy
/əˈnaləjē/
noun
a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
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Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)and the only explanation is willful ignorance.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You're wrong, as I have explained.
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Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)obtaining personal wealth, Politico (and for that matter much of the rest of the media) ignores this fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And you are still wrong, nonetheless.
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Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Bernie is a "hypocrite" because he became wealthy while espousing the ideology that the rich should pay their fair share of taxes and should not have such predominant control over the peoples' economic and political lives.
Bernie criticizes our dysfunctional system, rightfully so and is more than willing to raises taxes on himself and for this Politico labels him a hypocrite.
Politico's premise was/is wrong Bernie's message does not argue against obtaining personal wealth and they nor you have an argument against it other than using ridiculous false memes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Have a good night.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You simply refuse to acknowledge it.
I don't get dragged off onto tangents, and that appears to be frustrating to you.
Have a good night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)So it can't be Anti-Semitism if the target is a non-religious person? Wow.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Perhaps you missed that part of the post you were replying to? Or the article in the OP? Wow.
Pointing out that irony is not "anti-semitic" any more than talk of Hillary's speaking fees was "misogynist."
It's Bruce Seifer who called BS "cheap". Bruce Seifer says BS is "cheap" and Politico rejoins with "but not poor".
It's Seifer who made the claim on the record that BS is cheap. Politico reported it.
The money tree is a reference to the topic of the piece.
Commentary on Sanders that is less than adoring is not necessarily sinister and false in nature, despite a tendency of some to believe that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)with him being an alleged atheist?
What's the relevance there?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Perhaps you missed that part of the post you were replying to? Or the article in the OP? Wow.
Pointing out that irony is not "anti-semitic" any more than talk of Hillary's speaking fees was "misogynist."
It's Bruce Seifer who called BS "cheap". Bruce Seifer says BS is "cheap" and Politico rejoins with "but not poor".
It's Seifer who made the claim on the record that BS is cheap. Politico reported it.
The money tree is a reference to the topic of the piece.
Commentary on Sanders that is less than adoring is not necessarily sinister and false in nature, despite a tendency of some to believe that.
There is nothing anti-Semitic about the investigation into his finances.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Okay. So why did you mention it?
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Okay.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Ok.
Talk of his finances is forbidden. Got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided