Yea, Joe Biden ain't gettin big crowds..

[busterbrown]

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So fucking what..!!! Unless you live 24/7 in a home made Bomb Shelter you know what Joe is all about... For Christ Sakes he was Obama's V.P. for 8 yrs......

"He's Safe.... A Middle Class kind of guy... Gonna definitely pick off thousands of voters from Trump Idiots in key states.. Older Citizens, scared of losing Medicare and Social Security.... (a rich republican Wet Dream)...Young ones who want the NRA to go away.. Forever!! The Image of being a Safe President..rather than our Current President who day by day is succumbing to some kind of dementia illness.

It's funny how so many worry about Joe and his gaffs.. Jesus!!! Trump's mis-statements, gaffs, lies, overall ignorance... Is beyond the pale..

This is how Biden replied to Trump today: "The President's comments are beneath the dignity of the office.. To be on foreign soil, on Memorial Day and to side with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and former V.P. speaks for itself"

Seems to me he's got the right people working for him.. Thats all he needs to do.

[groundloop]

1. I can't disagree.... Joe's not my first choice but I'll totally support him if he's our nominee

[DownriverDem]

9. Joe is my first choice.

He can beat trump and won't take any of his crap.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Joe is currently my 9th choice...but yes, I too will totally support him if he wins the 2020 primary

to become our nominee. Doh!! Vote blue, no matter who!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Celerity]

66. he is my 9th as well, but I am sure we disagree on your 1st choice

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. hahaha, I'm sure!! I do like your Mayor Pete... he's currently my #3.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Celerity]

68. I like a lot of Bernie's policies, I just think he is a flawed messenger.

My biggest critique (by far) of him is his stubborn, disastrous, and completely wrong self-labelling as a democratic socialist when he is simply a social democrat. It hurts all his policies (and many of those are also pushed by our other candidates and congresspeople) by allowing them to be WRONGLY labelled as 'socialist' (and that equates directly to 'commie' in tens of millions of pea-brains in reactionary America) which in turn is electoral poison and makes selling them extremely hard. It puts him (and us all on the left, whether centre left all the way to the fairly far left) on the defensive. It is a profoundly self-indicted wound, and it literally is factually incorrect.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

69. Thats ok, I respect your opinion,I just disagree. Bernie's the 1 who can lead us where we need to go

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Celerity]

70. I respect you as an honest broker, so why does he make this fundamental error in terms of self-

labelling?

It is suicidal (politically) and academically not factual. It makes his entire thrust DOA in reactionary America and beggars belief from us who truly care about the underlying philosophical arguments within the political realm. It also puts a huge stigma on NON-SOCIALIST initiatives.

It is wilful madness IMHO.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. Your premise is wrong... there is no fundamental error.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Celerity]

73. how so?

he is NOT a democratic socialist (unless he is flat out LYING)
yet he self-labels as such

sorry

I am not going to play yank 'we are exceptional and get to rename what we want' games

Here in the EU ( I am Los Angeles born but London raised and I am back in the EU atm) real socialists laugh at Sanders and social democrats are appalled at his ridiculous attempts to re-define.

[hlthe2b]

2. Trump may try to make "hay" about it, but really... what % of Trump's attendees come out

only to see if he self-destructs onstage? Sort of like the car crash at which you WANT to divert your eyes, but just can't.

Biden, on the other hand, doesn't need to introduce himself nor do people come out merely for some grotesque "entertainment" value.

[oldsoftie]

11. No, they LOVE him. They buy into ANYTHING he says & think its gospel. Seriously. I live it.

[hlthe2b]

17. THAT is what they SHOW us (and clearly the majority) but don't be fooled. Some % go there

with wavering support just wanting to see what will happen.

His support (both weak and STRONG) combine to 40%...If you dissect it out and assume at least some proportion are being honest, it is undoubtedly less than that.

Should that bring us comfort? Not if we become complacent or overwhelmed or buy into the "TRUMP INEVITABILITY" spin.

"You live it"-- I don't doubt it, but neither do I believe that MOST of us do not. Unless one is able to isolate themselves from all the Trumpsters in their life, in all likelihood, MOST of us all live it.

[Renew Deal]

3. Biden is the easy way out

Many people support him because they think he can win. That's not very inspiring.

[still_one]

5. Because of his experience, but go ahead and minimize that with the mess we are in internationally

and domestically

[Renew Deal]

6. I forgot about the fear part.

The other reason to support him is that things are bad and we need to win. This is true, but also not inspiring.

[still_one]

7. Go push your straw man argument with somebody else. Similar BS argument pushed against the

Democratic nominee in 2016

[Renew Deal]

19. Except it wasn't true then.

[awesomerwb1]

24. So you need "inspiration"

to get rid of trump?

I can't think of anything more inspiring than saving the planet by beating trump.

[still_one]

26. You realize you are insulting the supporters of Biden, by implying they are "shallow"

because they only support him because "it is the easy way out", or saying his years of experience don't matter, because that just equates to "fear"

If one disagrees with Biden on the issues, or his voting record, that is fair game.

There are many reasons why supporters of Biden support him then how you are characterizing them

[Renew Deal]

83. Link to where I used "shallow"

I’ll wait

[Skya Rhen]

8. Doesn't the thought of getting Trump out of the White House inspire you? How content have some

of us become with Trump as our disgraceful, pathetic leader - just fine with it and an additional four more years. Sad but true...

[Renew Deal]

74. Yes, it is very motivating

And that proves my point. People are looking at current matchup polls without considering the very serious issues with Biden or the other candidates.

[LanternWaste]

10. Your unsupported premise is not very inspiring, either.

Almost as if your t-shirt slogan was simply another "easy way out..."

[Renew Deal]

75. My premise is supported by the topic of the OP

And it has been noticed by others

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=135099

[oldsoftie]

12. But winning IS inspiring!!! And winning is all that matters.

[Renew Deal]

76. Will you still support Biden if another candidate polls significantly better against Trump?

[oldsoftie]

82. I'll support whoever has the best chance at WINNING.

COULD it be someone other than Biden? Maybe. But i dont see it happening as it stands right now.
Too many people promising too much and showing no realistic way to pay for it all. That scares off independents & thats who you need to win

[Renew Deal]

84. I agree about the promises point

The Yang situation is a joke. But I think most of the people just promising things will get filtered out.

[busterbrown]

14. Thinking That He Can Win..

Is about as huge as can be ..in this age of Trump..

Wasn't Hillary Inspiring? I thought so!

Inspiring is not important.. at all..

Only thing important is to lose Trump as Prez..

Then we can talk about "Inspiring" Especially if We have a Harris or Warren tag with Biden...

[Renew Deal]

77. Inspiring is the difference between 2008 and 2016

[JI7]

16. there is also genuine affection for him. anyone can claim they can win

but they have to do things to convince people of it.

[Mr.Bill]

29. Winning isn't everything...

it's the only thing. - Vince Lombardi.

[Renew Deal]

78. Will you still support Biden if another candidate polls significantly better against Trump?

[Mr.Bill]

86. I haven't decided who I am supporting yet in the primaries.

I will support the Democratic nominee in the general election.

[emmaverybo]

37. All you can say is that he does not inspire you and others on the left to the left of center.

He inspires me. And many, many like me.

[samnsara]

52. he inspires ME!

[redstateblues]

53. I disagree. I'm very inspired! The alternative is uninspiring.

[Renew Deal]

79. What is the alternative?

Do we really only have one “inspiring” candidate out of 22?

[Hekate]

64. Amen. It was disgusting then and it's disgusting now. nt

[JI7]

60. I find Biden inspiring and he is like my 6th choice

if not lower

[Renew Deal]

80. But not as inspiring as your top 5 choices

There is a lot to like about Biden. I would put him in my top 5 as well. I just think that people are settling on a person they don’t love at a point where it’s not necessary. I suspect his support is soft. We’ll see where we’re at after a few debates and NH.

[Hekate]

63. Oh woe is me, he's not inspiring; just smart, experienced, takes the fight right to Trump...

...and very possibly could beat him.

Somehow I actually find that inspiring, as Trump and Cronies destroy our country every day.

[IluvPitties]

65. Winning is actually the ONLY way out...

[Renew Deal]

81. I agree

[appalachiablue]

4. Biden-Warren

[TCJ70]

13. I'm not sure I agree with all of this. This part...

nless you live 24/7 in a home made Bomb Shelter you know what Joe is all about... For Christ Sakes he was Obama's V.P. for 8 yrs......

...is particularly troubling. Automatically ascribing Obama's policy positions onto someone else is NOT a good idea. Each candidate needs to put their own thoughts and ideas out there to be accurately judged against the others. Otherwise it's just nostalgia driving Biden's popularity and if he does end up getting the nomination some people may be surprised by whatever positions he eventually does take.

Riding this out on a different Presidents reputation is not OK. I'm also not sure how "safe" of a choice he is...electability arguments are mostly useless. There's only one way to know electability and that is proven on election days.

[busterbrown]

18. I get what you are saying..

But what I was trying to state ( probably not very well) is the fact that Obama voters will feel safe with a Biden win.. Thats all.. Nothing to do with Obama's policy decisions.. The two are so different .. Obama with his superb intellect and Joe.. His close friend..Totally different.. The only I ask of Joe is to be very careful with gaffs.

Be smart and appoint progressive intelligent aids to provide smart council..

I agree, he might not be as inspiring as most of the others.. but for me I only care about 1 thing... That he takes Trump out of the presidency..

[emmaverybo]

39. I am not supporting him because of Obama. Obama's faith in him tells me something but Joe

has been around way before Obama’s emergence. I do like some of what the accomplished together, but he has legislative, political, and international experience, qualifications, and knowledge that stand entirely on their own and are unmatched by any other candidate.
I also find his books, speeches, and his view of life inspiring.

[demmiblue]

15. Joe Biden playing it safe, not engaging the voters... even during the Memorial Day weekend.

Yep, totally safe.

[busterbrown]

20. I thought his statement this am regarding

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Trump's Trip was perfect.. Simply perfect.. written by his head spokesman..

Very Inspiring IMO.

Here is what his Campaign Manager wrote today:

"The President's comments are beneath the dignity of the office. To be on foreign soil on Memorial Day, and to side repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and former Vice President speaks for itself"

[demmiblue]

22. Yes, it was well written. n/t

[Cha]

23. Yes, and he waited until trump was on American soil to say it..

"To be on foreign soil, on Memorial Day, and to side repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow American and former Vice President speaks for itself," Deputy Campaign Manager Kate Bedingfield said in a statement. "And it’s part of a pattern of embracing autocrats at the expense of our institutions – whether taking Putin’s word at face value in Helsinki or exchanging ‘love letters’ with Kim Jong Un.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287133702

[busterbrown]

49. Thanks Cha..

I managed to get it up on my original post..

thanks again...and you must admit it was perfectly stated..
just proves that picking the right people will be extremely important for the 2020 race..for Biden its 3/4 about who he picks for his advisers and how he relates with them

So far this is the prove's he's off to a great start!

Do I think there are better DEM candidates out there ....Yep.. Harris and Warren to begin with.. But I don't think would do well at this point..Republican's can't wait to start portraying Dems.. as Socialists, Nanny State tax hikers to take care of anyone who wants them.. Left Wing Tree Huggers...Marxists etc. Yep they'll be desperate.No Biden's #1 priority is to get Trump the hell out of the Presidency.. Thats all that matters.. Nothing else is more important

[Cha]

54. I agree.. it's our first priority! Here's more of

Biden's staff..

Link to tweet

Btw.. here's Dan Rather's excellent tweet on the traitor's tweet in Japan.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

21. Oh yes.. Biden is terrified of

engaging with voters.

Or Maybe he has a more personal reason for the way he spends Memorial Day.

Link to tweet

[busterbrown]

25. Hey Cha..

I can't find Biden's Tweet this am concerning Trump's personal attack on Biden while he was on his trip to Japan. Perhaps you can.. My computer skills stink!

[Cha]

33. Sorry buster.. I don't see any

tweets by Biden regarding that. It's not on his twitter page..

Here's one that's prescient and timeless from May 21st, though.

Link to tweet

Mahalo for your OP

[Cha]

62. I found it in a Tweet!

Link to tweet

[emmaverybo]

42. Biden's speech on grief before TAPS:

[Cha]

51. Mahalo, emmaverybo..

[peggysue2]

55. That's a really fine speech on grief and mourning,

finding the strength and grace to go on after a terrible blow. Very personal yet universal in scope because one way or the other we all lose people we care about. Joe Biden has had more than his fair share, so he was the perfect person to give this emotional speech, an outreach of real understanding to grieving military families.

[True Blue American]

32. Memorial Day is

A day to honor our Dead, not to isten to Political speeches.

[Cha]

34. Thank You.. that's what I

was thinking.. especially for those who have recently lost someone near and dear to their hearts.

[True Blue American]

41. Cha

We had 4 tornados all around me last night. I am fine but thousands of others are not. The area is devastated i was in one of the areas yesterday visiting the Military Monument. Today it is really bad. They actually used snow plows to clean the interstate of debris.

[Cha]

50. Oh, Glad you're okay, and I'm so sorry for all

the devastation, TBA! 4 Tornadoes.. wow.. that is so scary.. I've been in a hurricane but never a tornado.

[pdsimdars]

28. He'll lose a lot of young and independent voters who are sick of status quo.

That's a fact.

[BannonsLiver]

35. Wishful thinking isn't the same as facts.

[Cha]

36. No.. that's just your opinion.

[DallasNE]

30. The Primary Thing Working Against Biden

Is that he will be 78 years old on January 20, 2021. He and Bernie are just too old for the job. Sorry.


I am waiting for the debate(s) to see which one(s) stand above the others.


Obviously, I will vote in November for whomever the Democrats nominate.

[Indygram]

31. John Kerry was "safe" too...

How about we see how the debates play out and give it some time before crowning anyone. Shutting down other candidates without giving a fair process amounts to disenfranchising the voters who support other people. That doesn't end well so let's not do that again.

[Cha]

38. No one is being "crowned".. Biden is

ahead now, and I'm grateful he entered the race.

But, I have no idea if he will be our eventual candidate.

[NurseJackie]

43. Oh brother!

amounts to disenfranchising the voters who support other people.

Oh brother! Where have I heard THAT before?

It amounts to no such thing and you know it. Nobody is being disenfranchised just because their preferred candidate didn't make the cut. And, they can always "write in" their preferred third-tier or fourth-tier candidate anyway... if that's what they REALLY want to do.

But it's just OTT to try and compare it to actually being disenfranchised. They just disappointed... and that's not the same thing.

[True Blue American]

45. Thank you!

That is my opinion,too. It is much too early to settle on anyone.

I even like Michael Bennett!

[Demsrule86]

57. the left left attacked Kerry...when there are attacks from the right and left, we always lose...when

the candidate is not able to court moderate voters we always lose also.

[JI7]

59. John Kerry wasn't crowned. he was polling low just before voting started

he won becsuse he had a good GOTV effort. idiots were claiming he stole it since he came out of nowhere and neither was true .

he just ran a better campaign which the media did not report .

and Kerry got larger crowds than Bush .

[Sherman A1]

40. I will support the nominee

Whoever that is.

[NoMoreRepugs]

44. Geez people, its May 2019. Don't get your undies in such

a tight bunch yet, we have a long ways to go.

[DinahMoeHum]

47. For one thing we still have elections in 2019 to consider. . .

. . .especially in Louisiana, Mississippi and Kentucky, where governorships and state legislatures, as well as Virginia's state legislature, are at stake.

Not to mention preserving, consolidating and adding to our gains of 2017 and 2018, especially in local offices, no matter what your state you're in.

Bottom line: There's no such thing as an "off-year" in elections.

EVERY YEAR IS A CRITICAL ELECTION YEAR.

[RainCaster]

46. Joe is one of many I would be honored to vote for

None of them are Republicans.

[Kurt V.]

48. seems relevant

[Kahuna7]

56. Crowds don't vote. Hillary never had big crowds, yet...

she got more votes against her opponents. The types of constituencies that Joe and Hillary represent don't need to go to rallies to get juiced.. We tend to already have our minds made up.

[NurseJackie]

61. Good.

From what I've seen, "big crowds" aren't reliable voters.

[peggysue2]

72. No, Joe ain't getting the big crowds

He's just getting the big poll numbers.

BidenEnvy!

[robbedvoter]

85. He's getting the media instead. Never Trumpers are all over him