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sarabelle

(453 posts)
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 09:21 AM Jun 2019

About that immigration crackdown:

Democrats need to make it known that, much to our chagrin, Obama in 2012, deported more immigrants than Trump has ever done up to now. Democrats are being made out to want more ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Answer that charge with facts by the numbers and show how under Trump more immigrants have crossed our southern border under Trump than in the last years of the Obama administration.

Next, bring undocumented immigration home. Talk about the millions who are here from all over the world who have overstayed their visas and who also are a burden on the social network that Trump talks about. Bring these people out from the shadows and make them understand that they too are a port of the category of Undocumented and therefore, "illegal" immigrants. This issue touches every community in the United States and includes a lot of undocumented Russians that no one is talking about. If ICE is going to enforce immigration laws, make them enforce them across the board. It will not go well for Trump because many of these undocumented immigrants live in suburbia and major upperclass neighborhoods where they stay with naturalized relatives in mini-mansions in large numbers. (See those huge homes with 5-7 autos parked in driveways and along tree studded streets. There are enclaves of these undocumented immigrants living in gated communities...some running organized crime syndicates for foreign Asian, Russian, Dutch and Irish mobs. (Check out your local crime reports if they dare record the facts.)

The immigration and undocumented situation is much more than meets the current eyes of the citizens. Trump administration forces the media to ignore everything except the Mexican border while our northern border goes virtually untouched.

Then, there is the situation with employers, like the Trumps, who hire undocumented workers and protect their immigration status. Is Trump going to talk about clamping down on these corrupt employers, including himself and his family?

Is he going to pledge to stop the chain migration of Asian and Russian women who come her pregnant to have their babies and then claim the child's citizenship to bring in the rest of their families? Where is the accounting for the unseen and unexamined they pose to our social safety net?

Bring it ALL on, I say. They need to put up or shut up! Do your job Democrats, educate the people and call out all the GOP who support the one percent's illegal immigration systems.

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About that immigration crackdown: (Original Post) sarabelle Jun 2019 OP
I think they have been going after large employers AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #1
No...political suicide. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #2
Telling the truth in a respectful way is not political suicide Indygram Jun 2019 #4
I suspect that Trump's proclamation is a chimera... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #3
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
1. I think they have been going after large employers
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jun 2019

Last edited Tue Jun 18, 2019, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)

Obama specifically did not target families with children and he was very effective in removal done in professional manner with much noise as it should be. I hope Biden highlights that he was part of that. Trump’s priority is to win election at all costs so orchestrating the most visible operation for removing of illegal aliens is what his base wants to see.

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Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
2. No...political suicide.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 10:12 AM
Jun 2019
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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
4. Telling the truth in a respectful way is not political suicide
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jun 2019

I adore Obama. That being said, no one is perfect. Pointing out this truth is 100% acceptable.

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Wounded Bear

(58,641 posts)
3. I suspect that Trump's proclamation is a chimera...
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 10:12 AM
Jun 2019

I doubt that there will be any real uptick in ICE enforcement. If anything, they'll try to boost news coverage of raids and deportations. Then, some time in 2020, say late summer, Trump will have a big rally and declare victory and lay out how many millions of 'illegal immigrants' he's moved out of the country.

I figure nothing will change beyond Trump's rhetoric and braggadocio.

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