
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:14 PM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
Did anyone see the Donnie Deutsch-Lawrence O'Donnell dust up?
Donnie was complaining about how none of the candidates on stage had any hope of beating Trump. O'Donnell took exception with that saying that it was just all meaningless speculation with no value at this point. Donnie got very upset over this telling O'Donnell not to say that about his opinions.
It's not even July 2019 and i'm already sick of hearing Donnie Deutsch's opinions. He markets himself as some kind of Trump whisperer and only he has insight into beating him. It's just odd, and dumb.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
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BannonsLiver | Jun 2019 | OP |
elleng | Jun 2019 | #1 | |
True Dough | Jun 2019 | #59 | |
riversedge | Jun 2019 | #101 | |
mopinko | Jun 2019 | #2 | |
JI7 | Jun 2019 | #3 | |
dawg day | Jun 2019 | #35 | |
SleeplessinSoCal | Jun 2019 | #49 | |
sop | Jun 2019 | #102 | |
Funtatlaguy | Jun 2019 | #58 | |
BeyondGeography | Jun 2019 | #4 | |
BannonsLiver | Jun 2019 | #7 | |
dchill | Jun 2019 | #5 | |
ecstatic | Jun 2019 | #6 | |
Raster | Jun 2019 | #87 | |
sop | Jun 2019 | #104 | |
ecstatic | Jun 2019 | #105 | |
sop | Jun 2019 | #106 | |
democratisphere | Jun 2019 | #8 | |
Lint Head | Jun 2019 | #9 | |
pnwest | Jun 2019 | #55 | |
Lint Head | Jun 2019 | #91 | |
not fooled | Jun 2019 | #10 | |
crazytown | Jun 2019 | #24 | |
moonscape | Jun 2019 | #36 | |
Hoyt | Jun 2019 | #11 | |
redstateblues | Jun 2019 | #12 | |
BannonsLiver | Jun 2019 | #13 | |
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Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:15 PM
elleng (121,899 posts)
1. Yes, happy to hear Lawrence.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to elleng (Reply #1)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:17 AM
True Dough (14,735 posts)
59. For anyone who missed it on TV...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to True Dough (Reply #59)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:41 PM
riversedge (64,909 posts)
101. Thanks. I missed that. Seems DD first was referring to EWarren, but then he said something
toward the end-about inserting any name (Dem).
Whow. we do not need that kind of talk. nope! ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:17 PM
mopinko (66,050 posts)
2. he's an arrogant dude.
yeah, he was dissing warren.
and he is just spouting his mad man bs. he's interesting, but not as much as he thinks he is. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:17 PM
JI7 (87,627 posts)
3. whenever they report good news on Elizabeth Warren he is always
trying to dismiss it and saying people don't really support her and she can't win.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to JI7 (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:09 AM
dawg day (7,947 posts)
35. I just wish that people who dismiss women candidates would spend ten seconds-
examining themselves and asking, "Could it possibly be because she's female?"
They will no doubt stoutly insist, "No!" But at least maybe they'll think about it next time when they open their mouths to say she's too "shrill" or "aggressive" or "uppity" or "hysterical" or "snooty." ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to dawg day (Reply #35)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:41 AM
SleeplessinSoCal (7,769 posts)
49. He may fear Warren. I think her plans upset the apple cart.
I've liked him on Nicole Wallace' panels. Lately though, he is sounding an alarm about Capitalism vs Socialism that he needs to be educated by Warren on. She could teach him, I bet. I'm convinced Wall Street types are the enemy of the poor. And too many wealthy tv news people are far from poor and more at home on Wall Street. Donny is exposing his lack of empathy.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #49)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:55 PM
sop (8,927 posts)
102. I agree. These millionaire talking heads are worried they'll have to start paying their fair share
of taxes under a Warren administration, and the media corporations they work for are afraid she will actually reform the financial system that currently only benefits the 1%.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to JI7 (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:33 AM
Funtatlaguy (10,335 posts)
58. Donnie really dislikes Warren it seems.
Maybe she should go on his Saturday show and praise him a little.
He likes praise. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:17 PM
BeyondGeography (38,514 posts)
4. Advantage Lawrence in that tussle
And not just because I agree with him. I’m glad he put that peon in his place.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:18 PM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
7. I thought so too.
Deutsch was fighting out of his class for sure.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:17 PM
dchill (34,733 posts)
5. Zero value.
It's OK, Lawrence, I don't like him, either.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:18 PM
ecstatic (30,606 posts)
6. Donnie has been elevated to a democratic strategist and I'm still trying to figure out how or
why that was allowed to happen. He was OK in small doses on Morning Joe, but now he's been giving a megaphone to shout his ideas (generated from his billionaire mindset bubble). When's the last time he actually did a focus panel? What has he done lately that qualifies him as an expert on branding/strategy?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to ecstatic (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:27 AM
Raster (20,963 posts)
87. Because he's a buddy of Joe Scar.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to ecstatic (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 03:50 PM
sop (8,927 posts)
104. I never understood Deutsch's appeal, and still can't figure out how he got his own show
Last edited Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:30 PM - Edit history (1) The guy has no political experience that I'm aware of. Deutsch started out in advertising and media branding, so he's obviously pretty good at promoting himself, but that doesn't make him qualified to discuss government or politics. Nevertheless, Donny's been failing upwards for a few years now, so he must have a lot of friends in high places.
Donny was an anchor on MSNBC back in 2010 and was fired after he criticized Keith Olbermann. I'm guessing Deutsch later became a regular panelist on Morning Joe since Scarborough never did seem to get along with Olbermann. Other than his personal relationship with Trump, Cohen and a few other Manhattan sleazeballs, Donnie didn't have much to offer. Deutsch had a prime-time talk show on CNN in 2013 called "Get to The Point," but it was cancelled after just one week. He also had a comedy series on USA Network in 2015 called "Donny!", with Deutsch playing a fictional version of himself. The series bombed and wasn't renewed. Now he's dispensing political opinions on his own MSNBC show, and as a contributor on other shows. We'll see how long that lasts. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sop (Reply #104)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 07:18 PM
ecstatic (30,606 posts)
105. LMAO! "Failing upwards!" I love that phrase, and I had no idea
he had so many previous fails. CNN show cancelled after 1 week?!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to ecstatic (Reply #105)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:24 PM
sop (8,927 posts)
106. Yeah, one week
"In April 2013, Deutsch's prime-time CNN talk show '(Get to) The Point' was cancelled after just one week after the Nielsen Company said the show attracted just 268,000 viewers. The show was also mocked by comedian Jon Stewart on his Comedy Central show."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donny_Deutsch ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:18 PM
democratisphere (17,235 posts)
8. Donnie Deutsch can sometimes be full of himself; my way or the highway.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:19 PM
Lint Head (15,064 posts)
9. Douch is a legend in his on mind.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Lint Head (Reply #9)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:47 AM
pnwest (3,181 posts)
55. He's a legend in his own behind...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to pnwest (Reply #55)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:12 AM
Lint Head (15,064 posts)
91. Yes!
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:19 PM
not fooled (5,419 posts)
10. $$$$$ donnie d sweating over the thought
of Elizabeth Warren raising his taxes. On his 200 million.
![]() Oh, and I thought his point about how the Dem debaters blew it by not going more after red don was idiotic. There's plenty of time for that after the field narrows and for now we need to hear the candidates discuss what they would do for the country. It's a given that they all think red don is a freakin' disaster who should be defeated. No need for them all to say that tonight. ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to not fooled (Reply #10)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:44 PM
crazytown (7,277 posts)
24. IMO it was important for the candidates to introduce themselves.
I doubt many MAGAs tuned in on the off chance a Democrat could convince them to dump ConDon.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to not fooled (Reply #10)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:11 AM
moonscape (4,244 posts)
36. It felt like a moment of sanity to hear more normal
opinions and debate vs the never-ending 45 talk.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:20 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
11. Neither of them would be my go to pundits.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:21 PM
redstateblues (10,554 posts)
12. Like it or not, Deutsch is right a lot
I’m not confident that anyone on the stage tonight can beat Trump. I think there’s a few on tomorrow’s stage that can.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #12)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:23 PM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
13. Eh, I'm not so sure about how "right" he is about anything.
He's just another gasbag with an opinion. Only time will tell if he's right or wrong. But only a dumb fuck would be so smugly self assured about that 16 months before an election in a culture that has 3-5 daily news cycles. It's a god damn eternity. He should know better. We all should.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #13)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:14 AM
dawg day (7,947 posts)
40. No, we can't get complacent, but...
the country is tired of Trump. I really sense that. Even his cultists are getting slower in their avowals of his perfection. They're tired of having to aver that his idiotic violent rants are like Shakespeare sonnets, that his hair really is natural, that his open salivating around Ivanka is just fatherly devotion, that his inability to remember the words to the national anthem or very basic prayers is a sign of his depth...
They'll still vote for him, but I think the enthusiasm factor is going to mean that some GOPers just stay home, or vote only down-ballot. One Democrat will emerge from the primaries. That person will be smarter, more compassionate, more intuitive, and way better looking than Trump. ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to dawg day (Reply #40)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:24 AM
True Blue American (16,565 posts)
50. How could they not:)
There was not one person on that stage that does not put Trump to shame, not one orange combover, fat gut and butt hanging out. No fake tan that does not reach the eyes.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #12)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:27 PM
Celerity (34,317 posts)
14. Booker and Warren would be the two that would have the best shot, no one is a lock
this far out, including Biden.
Trump may implode, (economy blowing out would aid that, as would a war with Iran, as long as it started more than a month or two before November 2020), but again, it is far too early to say guarantee anything. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Celerity (Reply #14)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:30 PM
redstateblues (10,554 posts)
16. I agree with Deutsch that Warren can't win the rust belt states. Booker is an even a longer shot
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:49 PM
BeyondGeography (38,514 posts)
28. Uptown Donnie Deutsch is a rust belt expert now?
That’s truly funny.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #28)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:18 AM
brooklynite (84,477 posts)
63. Beutsch is a MARKETING expert...
This election isn't won solely on who has the best policies (or whom the blogosphere likes)
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #63)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:30 AM
BeyondGeography (38,514 posts)
69. Whoa, a MARKETING expert!
You mean he knows where the sizzle is?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #69)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:37 AM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
71. Hey marketing experts are rare in the United States.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #71)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:42 AM
BeyondGeography (38,514 posts)
75. Sad
Because they are The Most Interesting Men in the World.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:54 PM
TexasTowelie (98,115 posts)
30. Unfortunately, I have to agree.
While I would vote for either of them I don't see either of them picking off states that Trump won. They could widen the overall margin compared to 2016, but if they don't improve in Electoral College votes then it doesn't matter.
I'm also concerned that they won't help much in the down ballot races. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:56 PM
blm (110,730 posts)
31. I disagree. Warren is an educator and knows how to teach people
about getting the economy working for them and can do it using the language of logic and common sense. The problem I see here is that some in our party think rust belt voters can’t be reached unless you talk down to them like Trump does. I think Warren can and WILL bring them around based on her genuine ability to educate the masses in terms easily understood.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to blm (Reply #31)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:23 AM
spooky3 (31,278 posts)
42. Warren was born in the plains states. I grew up in a Midwest state and
Spent the first half of my career in another one. IMHO she can win all of the Midwest states if she spends enough time there. She has a very likable energetic authentic approach, and is clear about how her plans help them. Many will respond very well to that.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to spooky3 (Reply #42)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:34 AM
blm (110,730 posts)
44. I grew up in Ohio. Her plain talk will work with working class voters.
And her simple view of restructuring capitalism so it benefits all instead of the fewest will make it hard for GOP to label her a socialist like some fear. Heck, Republicans smear ALL Dems as socialists. Warren has the facts and the talent to explain to voters how Republicans ruined capitalism and that her plans will rescue it and restructure it to work for their families and their towns.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to blm (Reply #44)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:27 AM
True Blue American (16,565 posts)
51. I really like Warren, but also know I live in a red neck state
That elected Mike DeWine over Richard Cordray.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to spooky3 (Reply #42)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:57 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
83. She will not win the midwest...she has gone to far left. She will lose a general badly in my opinion
I will work for her and GOTV and of course vote for her in a general...but she won't win.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:01 AM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
33. Agree. Those folks don't care about the whole occupy Wall Street school of economics and
getting schooled by it. Tim Ryan was right tonight.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to emmaverybo (Reply #33)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:57 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
84. He was right.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:13 AM
blm (110,730 posts)
39. Based on what? You think rust belt voters won't grasp common sense
explanations of the economy and how to make it work for them when it comes from a plain talking educator like Warren?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to blm (Reply #39)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:29 AM
True Blue American (16,565 posts)
52. Yes, I know they will not.
And that is the shame because Warren would work for them.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #52)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:12 AM
blm (110,730 posts)
60. Some will not, many will. Warren has the talent and experience
to break it down in terms that can break through. No high horse. No artifice. Just facts spoken in the kitchen table language of the working class.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:19 AM
dawg day (7,947 posts)
41. I live in the rustbelt, and Warren is actually getting a lot of grudging respect
The stupid angry ones are already in it for Trump, so forget them. They'd never vote for a woman anyway.
The ones who still have a care for their own well-being and communities... they might vote for someone with ideas and pragmatic plans. We shouldn't forget who the Rust Belt voters already elected- Klobachar, Buttigieg, Ryan--- just in the debates tonight. (And Obama swept the whole Great Lakes region in 2008. We really can turn out.) ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #16)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:49 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
80. Me to Redstatesbules...she can't win with her policy proposals...the GOP would love to paint us as
big spending socialists who want to take away your healthcare.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #12)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:40 PM
Green Line (1,123 posts)
21. Totally agree
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #12)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:13 AM
LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)
37. Maybe you should watch the entire exchange again....
As he was (Donnie that is) also talking about Joe.#FYI
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #12)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:46 AM
mr_liberal (1,017 posts)
45. Biden and Michael Bennett are it imo. nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:28 PM
redstateblues (10,554 posts)
15. All this overconfidence about any Democrat being able to beat Trump
Reminds me of something.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #15)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:38 PM
Celerity (34,317 posts)
19. I'm worried, even if it is Biden, as those fuckers will vote suppress, use Russia et al.(in terms of
foreign interference) goose the economy artificially, start war(s) late if they think it helps, lie, cheat, steal, gaslight, and if needed hack the tabulations themselves.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Celerity (Reply #19)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:46 PM
crazytown (7,277 posts)
25. "hack the tabulations"
When I talk about this people want to hand me a tin foil hat. The margins in MI, PA and WI were wafer thin.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to crazytown (Reply #25)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:57 PM
Celerity (34,317 posts)
32. I only trust hand-counted paper ballots
one of my two nations (I am a US/UK dual citizen) uses them
the US doesn't I do NOT trust electronic voting machines (especially as most are made by RW firms) I do NOT trust voting tabulations sent to a central state office via the internet like you, I do NOT ever wear tinfoil, I just do not trust well it is yet another reason the EC is a fucking nightmare I do NOT trust Rethugs for shit, they will do ANYTHING over the long term to win ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Celerity (Reply #19)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:04 AM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
34. No matter who makes it through, winning will be a fight against all of the obstacles you listed.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #15)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:37 PM
Gothmog (124,378 posts)
100. Most POTUS are re-elected for second term unless the economy is bad
We cannot take trump lightly. I agree with Donnie that socialism will be used against sanders or Warren.
Link to tweet ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:34 PM
Gothmog (124,378 posts)
17. I tend to side with Deutsch in this disagreement
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #17)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:41 PM
Green Line (1,123 posts)
23. So do I
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #17)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:56 AM
grantcart (52,533 posts)
47. Not sure I agree with him but his point of view should be heard
I am astonished talking with regular Dems in conservative areas in the mid west who think along similar lines and think only Biden can beat him.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #17)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:53 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
81. I do too...I have been watching with some horror the posts about how easy it will be to beat Trump.
It won't be. And the candidates have run left in a
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:35 PM
Dream Girl (5,111 posts)
18. "Trump whisperer" lol
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Dream Girl (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:40 PM
Celerity (34,317 posts)
22. or
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Celerity (Reply #22)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:47 PM
crazytown (7,277 posts)
26. !
![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:39 PM
napi21 (45,758 posts)
20. I agree with your opinion oif Deutsch. I heard the dust-up tonight by accident.
I watched his Saturday show once and decided I wouldn't tune in again. He should worry more about how people perceive HIM instesad of throwing barbs at O'Donnell. I forecast his show won't last 6 months.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to napi21 (Reply #20)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:48 PM
ancianita (30,148 posts)
27. Agree. He's out of his class with Dems, no matter how well he reads Republican politics.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to napi21 (Reply #20)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:56 AM
eShirl (18,057 posts)
56. Guess we shouldn't expect much from a Morning Joe spin-off.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to napi21 (Reply #20)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:10 AM
katmondoo (6,369 posts)
85. I gave him two chanches and now it's over.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:53 PM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
29. Lawrence has more polish, prestige as a commentator, and obvious intellect, so I winced at
his dismissive tone with Donnie. I felt he could afford to suffer him and simply disagree.
Donnie expresses instincts, and that’s one angle, perhaps as valid as any other since it is far too early to predict political advantage. But that’s what these post-show programs are about. Donnie’s call is probably as valid or invalid as anyone’s at this stage. I thought he was Cohen’s whisperer. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to emmaverybo (Reply #29)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:13 AM
Pachamama (16,665 posts)
38. I had same reaction - I think both Deutsch and Lawrence could and should have handled it different
Donnie is a branding and ad guy - he has to of course look at stats, but he is someone who also made his success on instincts. His opinion is purely instinctual and also being someone who on the inside of "knowing" Trump has value in his opinion. But it is just that - an opinion. He could be right. But its not based on anything other than opinion and "gut".
Lawrence is someone who is an intellectual and a commentator basing things on facts. He of course has his own "opinions" but he wants to go based on fact. I think that Lawrence O'Donnell was offended that Donnie Deutsch just dismissed 10 highly qualified candidates based on "opinion" and no fact. I think that Donnie Deutsch could preface his statements by having been more respectful about the candidates and then stated that his concerns based on knowing Trump are that they can't beat him. Then Lawrence O'Donnell could have stated in a less dismissive way something along the lines that while he knows Donnie knows the "Donald" and is a successful branding expert, that this is strictly opinion and the candidates can take on Donald Trump. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Pachamama (Reply #38)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:31 AM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
43. Very good analysis and well put. Yeah, Donnie barreled in to it. NT
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to emmaverybo (Reply #29)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:38 AM
Tom Rinaldo (22,568 posts)
72. "Donnie's call is probably as valid or invalid as anyone's..."
That may be true, but that's not what he thinks. He claim's that his opinions are of superior quality because he's been closely observing things for 30 years or whatever, as if no one else has also.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:54 AM
MFM008 (19,693 posts)
46. Compared to the criminal
And rapist,
All of our candidates are superior. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:01 AM
YOHABLO (7,358 posts)
48. Deutsch is a multi million dollar PR/ad man. He's very connected. He went for the ''S'' word thingy.
Funny how multimillionaires have the capacity to relate to the public what 'joeblow' on the street thinks about issues. He mentions how the word 'socialism' is held with contempt by the American public. But when people want debt relief for college tuition, and comprehensive quality healthcare as a right for every citizen, they're all in. So enough with the ''radical left'' bullshite.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to YOHABLO (Reply #48)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:31 AM
True Blue American (16,565 posts)
53. Good post.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:37 AM
NanceGreggs (27,595 posts)
54. Deutsch has the credibility of ...
... Rudy Giuliani, the gravitas of Ant'ny Scaramucci, and the respectability of a Trump-humper whose breath smells like Trump's ass.
Other than that, I'm sure he's a great guy. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 03:07 AM
stopbush (24,128 posts)
57. Donnie sez that if nominated, Warren would lose 48 states to tRump.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to stopbush (Reply #57)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:25 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
65. She won't lose 48 but she will lose a general.
Tim Ryan said his piece and he was right. We need to shift to as Tim said be the 'party for the forgotten American'. No one talked about health care (not MFA which won't play), wages and/ or Trump. America is center left, the sooner we accept this (hard as it may be for me and other progressives) the sooner we will win again...build a big tent.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:16 AM
LibFarmer (772 posts)
61. None of the talking heads know anything nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:17 AM
brooklynite (84,477 posts)
62. That's not what he said...
He said he didn't think WARREN could beat Trump. I'm not certain yet if I agree or disagree.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #62)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:27 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
67. They are already running ads about Democrats taking away health care...MFA plays right into their
hands.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #62)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:41 AM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
73. Nah, he was quite vehement about it.
Not all of us are as impressed with the NYC cotillion set.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #73)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:57 AM
brooklynite (84,477 posts)
82. FWIW I've never gone to a cotillion
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:21 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
64. I think Ryan could take the General...Ohio. But I have to say...I don't think any of the others
on stage last night will win a general because there are much needed states in the Mid West...the stuff most advocated for might play in a primary but won't in a general particularly in the rust belt. Lose the idea that 'any' candidate can beat dumb ass Trump...they can't. The GOP is mostly solidly behind him and we need independents and moderates to vote for us...consider the mid terms...house was won by moderates not progressives.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #64)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:33 AM
Turin_C3PO (10,420 posts)
70. If Democrats turn out, we win the election
with any number of candidates. I happen to think Joe Biden is the best choice but it’s just not true that he’s the only one who can win. Democrats outnumber Republicans in a big way and the demographics are only getting worse every day for them.
Right now, polls show Biden and Sanders with fairly significant leads on Trump. Warren not as much but she also hasn’t introduced herself to all of America. Warren tends to be persuasive and can get a lot of Americans to vote for her, I believe. If the economy tanks, North Carolina, Iowa, Georgia, Texas, and (especially) Arizona could be in play. It’s not an impossible scenario. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #70)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:44 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
76. We need more than Democrats...look at the senate map and the electoral map...without moderates in
GOP areas, we wouldn't have the house. We must rebuild the blue wall.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #70)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:46 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
77. I don't think that is true...already commercials are being run on MFA...
Why didn't the candidates discuss wages, jobs, pharmaceuticals etc...if you run left in the primary as most candidates have...you are screwed in the general with this electorate.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:27 AM
themaguffin (3,361 posts)
66. Donnie also doesn't see a point in Mueller on TV. Jesus, an ad guy doesn't see the value in that.
He got into with Joe yesterday morning.
Hate to say it, but Joe was spot on in explaining the obvious reasons why the tv testimony matters. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:27 AM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
68. People are entitled to their opinions.
It's an unspoken rule of talk show hosts not to criticize each other or be disrespectful when they are giving their opinions.
This is one reason Keith whatshisname was fired. He was disrespectful about Joe Scarborough. BTW, it helps to hear to varying opinions. If Deutsch thinks what he thinks, you can bet the house that there are many others who thought/think the same thing. Putting your head in the sand isn't helpful. BTW, my independent relative said much the same thing, when he saw part of the debate last night. I had to agree with him. None of the people on that stage would likely win a GE against Trump, even though I thought that Klobuchar was Presidential and qualified to be President. I don't think America, including Democrats, would vote for her, even though they should. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:42 AM
DCofVA (714 posts)
74. Warren would eviscerate Trump in a debate
She is so smart and quick on her feet. She also knows his weaknesses and how to get under his skin. So, while his entrails are oozing out across the debate stage, she would also make his head explode.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DCofVA (Reply #74)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:48 AM
Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)
79. And? that does not necessarily lead to winning an election.
She will be painted in such away, she will lose moderates...I hope we keep the house if this happens. But I still think Biden will win in the end.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DCofVA (Reply #74)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:34 AM
jcgoldie (10,048 posts)
88. Hillary already did that
Unfortunately a lot of people aren't looking for substance.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:47 AM
shanny (6,709 posts)
78. I never listened much (a few youtube videos)
but stopped altogether when he criticized AOC tone regarding "concentration camps." STFU, dude.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:23 AM
Kind of Blue (8,709 posts)
86. So says the man peddling Cohen as a good man and Palin as new feminist ideal
DEUTSCH: Women want to be her, men want to mate with her. it's as simple as that. ... Men want a sexy woman. Women want to idealize about a sexy woman. She's the perfect age...she's still young enough to have that physical appeal. That's the perfect ingredient to sell a woman in power.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #86)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:04 AM
spooky3 (31,278 posts)
90. Good catch! Send it to LOD! :-)
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to spooky3 (Reply #90)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:17 AM
Kind of Blue (8,709 posts)
92. Good idea! Thanks! I'll figure out to do it.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #86)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:52 PM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
96. I think he's a closeted GOPer
And frankly, I’m not entirely certain he loathes Fat Donnie as much as he says he does.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #96)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:21 PM
Kind of Blue (8,709 posts)
97. Indeed! I don't know why he'd have to declare
himself a democrat a few years ago or call himself a feminist, too
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #96)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:54 PM
Kind of Blue (8,709 posts)
98. Sorry, I forgot to include this. Deutsch said he would vote for 45
over a socialist from the Democratic Party. And notice how he slipped at the beginning of his schpiel saying "More dangerous to this company...country."
Starts at 1:53 to 2:15 ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #98)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:00 PM
BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)
99. Wow, that's the ultimate tell.
We’re all going to suffer through this POS throughout the campaign. I’ll take the Hugh Hewitt approach and just change the channel anytime he’s on. I don’t need to hear from conservative, faux liberal Manhattan elites about anything. With any luck he’ll say something offensive and be taken off the air like Jeffrey Lord.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:46 AM
Me. (34,989 posts)
89. Keep In Mind
His big time advertising agency and so called expertise wasn't earned, it was inherited, just like traitor trump.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Me. (Reply #89)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:18 AM
Kind of Blue (8,709 posts)
93. +1000!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Me. (Reply #89)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:25 AM
bullwinkle428 (20,532 posts)
94. OH GAWD...so he's actually more like Chump than I ever realized!!
Thanks for that tidbit of info...
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:34 AM
Faux pas (13,379 posts)
95. I guess having the hump in office
gives another 'branding' guy political creds? I think not!
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BannonsLiver (Original post)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 03:37 PM
Mc Mike (9,059 posts)
103. Thanks for the info, BL. Screw Deutsch.
His opinions about anything, other than his friendship with Mike Cohen, are worth zero.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |