Did anyone see the Donnie Deutsch-Lawrence O'Donnell dust up?

[BannonsLiver]

Donnie was complaining about how none of the candidates on stage had any hope of beating Trump. O'Donnell took exception with that saying that it was just all meaningless speculation with no value at this point. Donnie got very upset over this telling O'Donnell not to say that about his opinions.

It's not even July 2019 and i'm already sick of hearing Donnie Deutsch's opinions. He markets himself as some kind of Trump whisperer and only he has insight into beating him. It's just odd, and dumb.

[elleng]

1. Yes, happy to hear Lawrence.

[True Dough]

59. For anyone who missed it on TV...

[riversedge]

101. Thanks. I missed that. Seems DD first was referring to EWarren, but then he said something

toward the end-about inserting any name (Dem).

Whow. we do not need that kind of talk. nope!

[mopinko]

2. he's an arrogant dude.

yeah, he was dissing warren.
and he is just spouting his mad man bs.

he's interesting, but not as much as he thinks he is.

[JI7]

3. whenever they report good news on Elizabeth Warren he is always

trying to dismiss it and saying people don't really support her and she can't win.

[dawg day]

35. I just wish that people who dismiss women candidates would spend ten seconds-

examining themselves and asking, "Could it possibly be because she's female?"

They will no doubt stoutly insist, "No!"
But at least maybe they'll think about it next time when they open their mouths to say she's too "shrill" or "aggressive" or "uppity" or "hysterical" or "snooty."

[SleeplessinSoCal]

49. He may fear Warren. I think her plans upset the apple cart.

I've liked him on Nicole Wallace' panels. Lately though, he is sounding an alarm about Capitalism vs Socialism that he needs to be educated by Warren on. She could teach him, I bet. I'm convinced Wall Street types are the enemy of the poor. And too many wealthy tv news people are far from poor and more at home on Wall Street. Donny is exposing his lack of empathy.

[sop]

102. I agree. These millionaire talking heads are worried they'll have to start paying their fair share

of taxes under a Warren administration, and the media corporations they work for are afraid she will actually reform the financial system that currently only benefits the 1%.

[Funtatlaguy]

58. Donnie really dislikes Warren it seems.

Maybe she should go on his Saturday show and praise him a little.
He likes praise.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Advantage Lawrence in that tussle

And not just because I agree with him. I’m glad he put that peon in his place.

[BannonsLiver]

7. I thought so too.

Deutsch was fighting out of his class for sure.

[dchill]

5. Zero value.

It's OK, Lawrence, I don't like him, either.

[ecstatic]

6. Donnie has been elevated to a democratic strategist and I'm still trying to figure out how or

why that was allowed to happen. He was OK in small doses on Morning Joe, but now he's been giving a megaphone to shout his ideas (generated from his billionaire mindset bubble). When's the last time he actually did a focus panel? What has he done lately that qualifies him as an expert on branding/strategy?

[Raster]

87. Because he's a buddy of Joe Scar.

[sop]

104. I never understood Deutsch's appeal, and still can't figure out how he got his own show

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The guy has no political experience that I'm aware of. Deutsch started out in advertising and media branding, so he's obviously pretty good at promoting himself, but that doesn't make him qualified to discuss government or politics. Nevertheless, Donny's been failing upwards for a few years now, so he must have a lot of friends in high places.

Donny was an anchor on MSNBC back in 2010 and was fired after he criticized Keith Olbermann. I'm guessing Deutsch later became a regular panelist on Morning Joe since Scarborough never did seem to get along with Olbermann. Other than his personal relationship with Trump, Cohen and a few other Manhattan sleazeballs, Donnie didn't have much to offer.

Deutsch had a prime-time talk show on CNN in 2013 called "Get to The Point," but it was cancelled after just one week. He also had a comedy series on USA Network in 2015 called "Donny!", with Deutsch playing a fictional version of himself. The series bombed and wasn't renewed.

Now he's dispensing political opinions on his own MSNBC show, and as a contributor on other shows. We'll see how long that lasts.

[ecstatic]

105. LMAO! "Failing upwards!" I love that phrase, and I had no idea

he had so many previous fails. CNN show cancelled after 1 week?!

[sop]

106. Yeah, one week

"In April 2013, Deutsch's prime-time CNN talk show '(Get to) The Point' was cancelled after just one week after the Nielsen Company said the show attracted just 268,000 viewers. The show was also mocked by comedian Jon Stewart on his Comedy Central show."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donny_Deutsch

[democratisphere]

8. Donnie Deutsch can sometimes be full of himself; my way or the highway.

[Lint Head]

9. Douch is a legend in his on mind.

[pnwest]

55. He's a legend in his own behind...

[Lint Head]

91. Yes!

[not fooled]

10. $$$$$ donnie d sweating over the thought

of Elizabeth Warren raising his taxes. On his 200 million.




Oh, and I thought his point about how the Dem debaters blew it by not going more after red don was idiotic. There's plenty of time for that after the field narrows and for now we need to hear the candidates discuss what they would do for the country. It's a given that they all think red don is a freakin' disaster who should be defeated. No need for them all to say that tonight.

[crazytown]

24. IMO it was important for the candidates to introduce themselves.

I doubt many MAGAs tuned in on the off chance a Democrat could convince them to dump ConDon.

[moonscape]

36. It felt like a moment of sanity to hear more normal

opinions and debate vs the never-ending 45 talk.

[Hoyt]

11. Neither of them would be my go to pundits.

[redstateblues]

12. Like it or not, Deutsch is right a lot

I’m not confident that anyone on the stage tonight can beat Trump. I think there’s a few on tomorrow’s stage that can.

[BannonsLiver]

13. Eh, I'm not so sure about how "right" he is about anything.

He's just another gasbag with an opinion. Only time will tell if he's right or wrong. But only a dumb fuck would be so smugly self assured about that 16 months before an election in a culture that has 3-5 daily news cycles. It's a god damn eternity. He should know better. We all should.

[dawg day]

40. No, we can't get complacent, but...

the country is tired of Trump. I really sense that. Even his cultists are getting slower in their avowals of his perfection. They're tired of having to aver that his idiotic violent rants are like Shakespeare sonnets, that his hair really is natural, that his open salivating around Ivanka is just fatherly devotion, that his inability to remember the words to the national anthem or very basic prayers is a sign of his depth...

They'll still vote for him, but I think the enthusiasm factor is going to mean that some GOPers just stay home, or vote only down-ballot.

One Democrat will emerge from the primaries. That person will be smarter, more compassionate, more intuitive, and way better looking than Trump.

[True Blue American]

50. How could they not:)

There was not one person on that stage that does not put Trump to shame, not one orange combover, fat gut and butt hanging out. No fake tan that does not reach the eyes.

[Celerity]

14. Booker and Warren would be the two that would have the best shot, no one is a lock

this far out, including Biden.

Trump may implode, (economy blowing out would aid that, as would a war with Iran, as long as it started more than a month or two before November 2020), but again, it is far too early to say guarantee anything.

[redstateblues]

16. I agree with Deutsch that Warren can't win the rust belt states. Booker is an even a longer shot

[BeyondGeography]

28. Uptown Donnie Deutsch is a rust belt expert now?

That’s truly funny.

[brooklynite]

63. Beutsch is a MARKETING expert...

This election isn't won solely on who has the best policies (or whom the blogosphere likes)

[BeyondGeography]

69. Whoa, a MARKETING expert!

You mean he knows where the sizzle is?

[BannonsLiver]

71. Hey marketing experts are rare in the United States.

[BeyondGeography]

75. Sad

Because they are The Most Interesting Men in the World.

[TexasTowelie]

30. Unfortunately, I have to agree.

While I would vote for either of them I don't see either of them picking off states that Trump won. They could widen the overall margin compared to 2016, but if they don't improve in Electoral College votes then it doesn't matter.

I'm also concerned that they won't help much in the down ballot races.

[blm]

31. I disagree. Warren is an educator and knows how to teach people

about getting the economy working for them and can do it using the language of logic and common sense. The problem I see here is that some in our party think rust belt voters can’t be reached unless you talk down to them like Trump does. I think Warren can and WILL bring them around based on her genuine ability to educate the masses in terms easily understood.

[spooky3]

42. Warren was born in the plains states. I grew up in a Midwest state and

Spent the first half of my career in another one. IMHO she can win all of the Midwest states if she spends enough time there. She has a very likable energetic authentic approach, and is clear about how her plans help them. Many will respond very well to that.

[blm]

44. I grew up in Ohio. Her plain talk will work with working class voters.

And her simple view of restructuring capitalism so it benefits all instead of the fewest will make it hard for GOP to label her a socialist like some fear. Heck, Republicans smear ALL Dems as socialists. Warren has the facts and the talent to explain to voters how Republicans ruined capitalism and that her plans will rescue it and restructure it to work for their families and their towns.

[True Blue American]

51. I really like Warren, but also know I live in a red neck state

That elected Mike DeWine over Richard Cordray.

[Demsrule86]

83. She will not win the midwest...she has gone to far left. She will lose a general badly in my opinion

I will work for her and GOTV and of course vote for her in a general...but she won't win.

[emmaverybo]

33. Agree. Those folks don't care about the whole occupy Wall Street school of economics and

getting schooled by it. Tim Ryan was right tonight.

[Demsrule86]

84. He was right.

[blm]

39. Based on what? You think rust belt voters won't grasp common sense

explanations of the economy and how to make it work for them when it comes from a plain talking educator like Warren?

[True Blue American]

52. Yes, I know they will not.

And that is the shame because Warren would work for them.

[blm]

60. Some will not, many will. Warren has the talent and experience

to break it down in terms that can break through. No high horse. No artifice. Just facts spoken in the kitchen table language of the working class.

[dawg day]

41. I live in the rustbelt, and Warren is actually getting a lot of grudging respect

The stupid angry ones are already in it for Trump, so forget them. They'd never vote for a woman anyway.

The ones who still have a care for their own well-being and communities... they might vote for someone with ideas and pragmatic plans.

We shouldn't forget who the Rust Belt voters already elected-

Klobachar, Buttigieg, Ryan--- just in the debates tonight.
(And Obama swept the whole Great Lakes region in 2008. We really can turn out.)

[Demsrule86]

80. Me to Redstatesbules...she can't win with her policy proposals...the GOP would love to paint us as

big spending socialists who want to take away your healthcare.

[Green Line]

21. Totally agree

[LovingA2andMI]

37. Maybe you should watch the entire exchange again....

As he was (Donnie that is) also talking about Joe.#FYI

[mr_liberal]

45. Biden and Michael Bennett are it imo. nt

[redstateblues]

15. All this overconfidence about any Democrat being able to beat Trump

Reminds me of something.

[Celerity]

19. I'm worried, even if it is Biden, as those fuckers will vote suppress, use Russia et al.(in terms of

foreign interference) goose the economy artificially, start war(s) late if they think it helps, lie, cheat, steal, gaslight, and if needed hack the tabulations themselves.

[crazytown]

25. "hack the tabulations"

When I talk about this people want to hand me a tin foil hat. The margins in MI, PA and WI were wafer thin.

[Celerity]

32. I only trust hand-counted paper ballots

one of my two nations (I am a US/UK dual citizen) uses them

the US doesn't

I do NOT trust electronic voting machines (especially as most are made by RW firms)

I do NOT trust voting tabulations sent to a central state office via the internet

like you, I do NOT ever wear tinfoil, I just do not trust well

it is yet another reason the EC is a fucking nightmare

I do NOT trust Rethugs for shit, they will do ANYTHING over the long term to win

[emmaverybo]

34. No matter who makes it through, winning will be a fight against all of the obstacles you listed.

[Gothmog]

100. Most POTUS are re-elected for second term unless the economy is bad

We cannot take trump lightly. I agree with Donnie that socialism will be used against sanders or Warren.

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

17. I tend to side with Deutsch in this disagreement

[Green Line]

23. So do I

[grantcart]

47. Not sure I agree with him but his point of view should be heard

I am astonished talking with regular Dems in conservative areas in the mid west who think along similar lines and think only Biden can beat him.

[Demsrule86]

81. I do too...I have been watching with some horror the posts about how easy it will be to beat Trump.

It won't be. And the candidates have run left in a huge way except for Biden, Ryan and a couple of others... if you run left, you will lose in a moderate left country.

[Dream Girl]

18. "Trump whisperer" lol

[Celerity]

22. or

[crazytown]

26. !

[napi21]

20. I agree with your opinion oif Deutsch. I heard the dust-up tonight by accident.

I watched his Saturday show once and decided I wouldn't tune in again. He should worry more about how people perceive HIM instesad of throwing barbs at O'Donnell. I forecast his show won't last 6 months.

[ancianita]

27. Agree. He's out of his class with Dems, no matter how well he reads Republican politics.

[eShirl]

56. Guess we shouldn't expect much from a Morning Joe spin-off.

[katmondoo]

85. I gave him two chanches and now it's over.

[emmaverybo]

29. Lawrence has more polish, prestige as a commentator, and obvious intellect, so I winced at

his dismissive tone with Donnie. I felt he could afford to suffer him and simply disagree.

Donnie expresses instincts, and that’s one angle, perhaps as valid as any other since it is far too
early to predict political advantage. But that’s what these post-show programs are about.

Donnie’s call is probably as valid or invalid as anyone’s at this stage.

I thought he was Cohen’s whisperer.

[Pachamama]

38. I had same reaction - I think both Deutsch and Lawrence could and should have handled it different

Donnie is a branding and ad guy - he has to of course look at stats, but he is someone who also made his success on instincts. His opinion is purely instinctual and also being someone who on the inside of "knowing" Trump has value in his opinion. But it is just that - an opinion. He could be right. But its not based on anything other than opinion and "gut".

Lawrence is someone who is an intellectual and a commentator basing things on facts. He of course has his own "opinions" but he wants to go based on fact. I think that Lawrence O'Donnell was offended that Donnie Deutsch just dismissed 10 highly qualified candidates based on "opinion" and no fact.

I think that Donnie Deutsch could preface his statements by having been more respectful about the candidates and then stated that his concerns based on knowing Trump are that they can't beat him. Then Lawrence O'Donnell could have stated in a less dismissive way something along the lines that while he knows Donnie knows the "Donald" and is a successful branding expert, that this is strictly opinion and the candidates can take on Donald Trump.

[emmaverybo]

43. Very good analysis and well put. Yeah, Donnie barreled in to it. NT

[Tom Rinaldo]

72. "Donnie's call is probably as valid or invalid as anyone's..."

That may be true, but that's not what he thinks. He claim's that his opinions are of superior quality because he's been closely observing things for 30 years or whatever, as if no one else has also.

[MFM008]

46. Compared to the criminal

And rapist,
All of our candidates are superior.

[YOHABLO]

48. Deutsch is a multi million dollar PR/ad man. He's very connected. He went for the ''S'' word thingy.

Funny how multimillionaires have the capacity to relate to the public what 'joeblow' on the street thinks about issues. He mentions how the word 'socialism' is held with contempt by the American public. But when people want debt relief for college tuition, and comprehensive quality healthcare as a right for every citizen, they're all in. So enough with the ''radical left'' bullshite.

[True Blue American]

53. Good post.

[NanceGreggs]

54. Deutsch has the credibility of ...

... Rudy Giuliani, the gravitas of Ant'ny Scaramucci, and the respectability of a Trump-humper whose breath smells like Trump's ass.

Other than that, I'm sure he's a great guy.

[stopbush]

57. Donnie sez that if nominated, Warren would lose 48 states to tRump.

[Demsrule86]

65. She won't lose 48 but she will lose a general.

Tim Ryan said his piece and he was right. We need to shift to as Tim said be the 'party for the forgotten American'. No one talked about health care (not MFA which won't play), wages and/ or Trump. America is center left, the sooner we accept this (hard as it may be for me and other progressives) the sooner we will win again...build a big tent.

[LibFarmer]

61. None of the talking heads know anything nt

[brooklynite]

62. That's not what he said...

He said he didn't think WARREN could beat Trump. I'm not certain yet if I agree or disagree.

[Demsrule86]

67. They are already running ads about Democrats taking away health care...MFA plays right into their

hands.

[BannonsLiver]

73. Nah, he was quite vehement about it.

Not all of us are as impressed with the NYC cotillion set.

[brooklynite]

82. FWIW I've never gone to a cotillion

[Demsrule86]

64. I think Ryan could take the General...Ohio. But I have to say...I don't think any of the others

on stage last night will win a general because there are much needed states in the Mid West...the stuff most advocated for might play in a primary but won't in a general particularly in the rust belt. Lose the idea that 'any' candidate can beat dumb ass Trump...they can't. The GOP is mostly solidly behind him and we need independents and moderates to vote for us...consider the mid terms...house was won by moderates not progressives.

[Turin_C3PO]

70. If Democrats turn out, we win the election

with any number of candidates. I happen to think Joe Biden is the best choice but it’s just not true that he’s the only one who can win. Democrats outnumber Republicans in a big way and the demographics are only getting worse every day for them.

Right now, polls show Biden and Sanders with fairly significant leads on Trump. Warren not as much but she also hasn’t introduced herself to all of America. Warren tends to be persuasive and can get a lot of Americans to vote for her, I believe.

If the economy tanks, North Carolina, Iowa, Georgia, Texas, and (especially) Arizona could be in play. It’s not an impossible scenario.

[Demsrule86]

76. We need more than Democrats...look at the senate map and the electoral map...without moderates in

GOP areas, we wouldn't have the house. We must rebuild the blue wall.

[Demsrule86]

77. I don't think that is true...already commercials are being run on MFA...

Why didn't the candidates discuss wages, jobs, pharmaceuticals etc...if you run left in the primary as most candidates have...you are screwed in the general with this electorate.

[themaguffin]

66. Donnie also doesn't see a point in Mueller on TV. Jesus, an ad guy doesn't see the value in that.

He got into with Joe yesterday morning.

Hate to say it, but Joe was spot on in explaining the obvious reasons why the tv testimony matters.

[Honeycombe8]

68. People are entitled to their opinions.

It's an unspoken rule of talk show hosts not to criticize each other or be disrespectful when they are giving their opinions.

This is one reason Keith whatshisname was fired. He was disrespectful about Joe Scarborough.

BTW, it helps to hear to varying opinions. If Deutsch thinks what he thinks, you can bet the house that there are many others who thought/think the same thing. Putting your head in the sand isn't helpful.

BTW, my independent relative said much the same thing, when he saw part of the debate last night. I had to agree with him. None of the people on that stage would likely win a GE against Trump, even though I thought that Klobuchar was Presidential and qualified to be President. I don't think America, including Democrats, would vote for her, even though they should.

[DCofVA]

74. Warren would eviscerate Trump in a debate

She is so smart and quick on her feet. She also knows his weaknesses and how to get under his skin. So, while his entrails are oozing out across the debate stage, she would also make his head explode.

[Demsrule86]

79. And? that does not necessarily lead to winning an election.

She will be painted in such away, she will lose moderates...I hope we keep the house if this happens. But I still think Biden will win in the end.

[jcgoldie]

88. Hillary already did that

Unfortunately a lot of people aren't looking for substance.

[shanny]

78. I never listened much (a few youtube videos)

but stopped altogether when he criticized AOC tone regarding "concentration camps." STFU, dude.

[Kind of Blue]

86. So says the man peddling Cohen as a good man and Palin as new feminist ideal

DEUTSCH: Women want to be her, men want to mate with her. it's as simple as that. ... Men want a sexy woman. Women want to idealize about a sexy woman. She's the perfect age...she's still young enough to have that physical appeal. That's the perfect ingredient to sell a woman in power.

[spooky3]

90. Good catch! Send it to LOD! :-)

[Kind of Blue]

92. Good idea! Thanks! I'll figure out to do it.

[BannonsLiver]

96. I think he's a closeted GOPer

And frankly, I’m not entirely certain he loathes Fat Donnie as much as he says he does.

[Kind of Blue]

97. Indeed! I don't know why he'd have to declare

himself a democrat a few years ago or call himself a feminist, too And I could have sworn that he was dating Marla Maples. When it comes to 45, he protests too much while being so much like him.

[Kind of Blue]

98. Sorry, I forgot to include this. Deutsch said he would vote for 45

over a socialist from the Democratic Party. And notice how he slipped at the beginning of his schpiel saying "More dangerous to this company...country."

Starts at 1:53 to 2:15

[BannonsLiver]

99. Wow, that's the ultimate tell.

We’re all going to suffer through this POS throughout the campaign. I’ll take the Hugh Hewitt approach and just change the channel anytime he’s on. I don’t need to hear from conservative, faux liberal Manhattan elites about anything. With any luck he’ll say something offensive and be taken off the air like Jeffrey Lord.

[Me.]

89. Keep In Mind

His big time advertising agency and so called expertise wasn't earned, it was inherited, just like traitor trump.

[Kind of Blue]

93. +1000!

[bullwinkle428]

94. OH GAWD...so he's actually more like Chump than I ever realized!!

Thanks for that tidbit of info...

[Faux pas]

95. I guess having the hump in office

gives another 'branding' guy political creds? I think not!

[Mc Mike]

103. Thanks for the info, BL. Screw Deutsch.

His opinions about anything, other than his friendship with Mike Cohen, are worth zero.