Democratic Primaries
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Voters are very concerned about electability, Sanders pollster Ben Tulchin said on the call. All the data shows that Bernie is a very, very strong candidate when it comes to defeating trump.
Tulchin backed that up by pointing to recent public polling showing Sanders has improved his standing with minority voters and women since the last primary, arguing that roughly half of his supporters in early polls are women and almost half are nonwhite.
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-campaign-looks-to-address-electability-questions-head-on
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,062 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,919 posts)well as strengths and do everything they can to address them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,062 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)will never vote for Sen. Sanders in a primary. I would if he were to become our nominee .of course in a general. I also have hard feeling about the 2016 general...I don't feel he did all he could. I just don't. Combine this with my firm belief he can't win a general, this is why I won't support Sen. Sanders in a primary but only in a general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)I think you have him confused with someone else. Maybe your choice?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,097 posts)A health organization that is constantly under attack by Republicans? That they would love to destroy?
When given a chance to backtrack, he doubled down.
You know, people do have memories. They arent going to magically forget things because you want them to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)Saying Roe v. Wade went too far and he didnt think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.
In 1981, successfully proposed an amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, barring US aid from being used for biomedical research related to abortions. He has had a lasting legacy in this respect: to this day, the amendment has remained a part of the laws covering foreign assistance.
Ill take Bernies record any day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,097 posts)boyfriends. So progressive. So pro womens autonomy.
As usual you ass-ume stuff, like you ass-mume I support Biden. And again you are wrong. Undecided here.
Im just not a fan of gaslighting, bullying people who have a different opinion, or rationalizing and handwaving away the problematic things in Senator Sanders voting record and statements.
Supported Sanders in 2016. There are much more qualified candidates out there this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)Do follow along.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)abortions...and this didn't happen 30 years ago either. He is unwilling to support any candidate who doesn't agree with his economic policy...but on abortion...well we must accept those who disagree. Hugh Mello sponsored anti-abortion bills.
http://feministing.com/2017/04/23/no-bernie-theres-no-economic-justice-without-abortion-access/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)Tom Perez, you know the guy who leads The Democratic Party, supported the Mello. But Bernie stumps for the guy and he is the devil.
Its funny how the tent is always big enough for a Senator like Manchin who actively votes for anti abortion legislation and supports anti abortion judges. But a local mayor is beyond the pale and anyone who stumps for him is evil.
Just to be clear, Bernie doesnt now, or never has, harbored any pro life stances or sponsored any pro life/anti abortion laws.
We are not even in the same universe when it comes to support for abortion issues.
Vice President Biden's comments about abortion in America interview kick off new conversations
In an exclusive interview with America released at the beginning of this week, Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. affirmed that pro-life people "absolutely, positively" are welcome in the Democratic party and that he believes, as a Catholic, that "abortion is always wrong." His comments, very different from most contributions to the political conversation about abortion, are blurring some long-established lines in the culture wars and generating significant interest in the media and among commentators.
https://www.americamagazine.org/content/all-things/biden-interview-starts-new-conversations-abortion-debate
Also:
Saying Roe v. Wade went too far and he didnt think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.
In 1981, successfully proposed an amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, barring US aid from being used for biomedical research related to abortions. He has had a lasting legacy in this respect: to this day, the amendment has remained a part of the laws covering foreign assistance.
Ill take Bernies record any day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)who is pro-life and someone like Mello. Hugh Mello sponsored a bill to take away a woman's right to choose. Also, He was part of a winning strategy to stop women from being able to use health insurance for abortion. Now if you go against Sen. Sander's economic policies, he refuses to endorse, but a candidate who successfully stripped women of their right to choose is fine...no not for me. So I don't see how Sen. Sanders can successfully attack VP Biden on this issue after this. I find Sen. Sanders support for issues that I care about...social justice which includes the right to choose among other things not sufficient to earn my vote in a primary. I would of course support him in a general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)The other guy literally wrote one. An amendment that still stands today as a restriction. Since 1981!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)infuriated me...and honestly, I won't get over it. If Se. Sanders is the nominee, he has my vote in the general but I will not vote for him in a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)the Mazinsky act and that is just off the top of my head...selective attacks on Biden for something that happened forty years ago simply doesn't matter to me and I believe others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)Bernie has never been a tough on crime guy.
And hes on record saying he supported the bill because the $1.8 billion for Violence Against Women Act was, in his words, desperately needed. It also included an assault weapon ban.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)about ancient history...but if we are going to go after Biden for his 30 or 40 year old votes than...Sen. Sanders will also face this sort of thing. It is inevitable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)Wow. You believe that? Lol.
And the crime bill was 25 years ago. Bernies essay was 47 years ago but we hear about it every day on DU. Ancient history indeed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...it can mean 320 million different things since there are 320 million different people in this country. It was also a main argument used against him last time and we all know how that turned out. So I'm not sure anyone should be relying on whatever they determine electability to mean when deciding who to vote for in the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Many winners were considered "unelectable" for some reason or other. And many losers were chosen for their electability. Jeb Bush was once considered electable while Trump was always and still seems unelectable. Reagan was once "too conservative" to be elected, if you can believe that.
Trump is not a conventional campaigner. We will not win by running a conventional "electable" candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)You have to look at who will match up against trump in a general. sanders would not match up well at all in my opinion.
I will support the nominee of the party but I will work to nominate a candidate who I think is electable
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...since it doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. There's no objective way to measure it like there is with policy differences or concerns about someone's voting record.
Doesn't everyone think the candidate they support is electable?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Personally, I believe that every Dem candidate (with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard) would beat Trump.
But among them, Bernie Sanders has the lowest chance in my opinion.
His "electability" is a real issue.... he has a hard-core fervent support of the Bernie Bros.... but that won't translate into grabbing the independents that are needed to win the general.
Our top priority.... above ANY policy considerations has to be who can most easily beat Trump. There are at least 5 candidates who would have an easier time winning the general election than Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Joe Biden with a solid VP choice...I like Kamala...is the only candidate who will beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)He didn't hit even match Romney's 47% from 2012. Third party voters, Russia, Comey, and the electoral college gave him his fluke victory. A perfect shitstorm like that only comes once in a lifetime.
Harris, Biden, Bernie, or Warren, should (and one will) hand Trump his ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)The Democratic candidate isn't going to get 48%, it will be higher. Enthusiasm on our side alone will ensure that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)can reach independents...Democrats are somewhere between 30 and 40 % of the population...we will need more folks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)I think Biden is our best shot...and I don't think it will be as easy as some predict...very nervous about 20.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Because Trump is all about throwing shade and divert, divert, divert, to make them defend themselves. But Sanders is a classic curmudgeon, he doesn't care what Trump says and he will throw shade right back. And Sanders is pretty single minded, he's got a clear message and won't be diverted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue cat
(2,415 posts)I just found out that Bernie called for Russia to be added to NATO...in 2015...how is that any different from trump?
I think many people wont go for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)foreign policy. Other than sabre-rattling and photo-ops he's mostly done that. Sanders has the same idea, without the provocation. Our empire is almost done. Like all empires, they end up being too expensive to maintain. Troops will start coming home after 2020 no matter who wins. Better Sanders does that than Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)"Bomb the shit out of them!" and "Why can't we use nukes?" don't sound like the words of an anti-war isolationist.
Edit: The United States bombed Afghanistan harder in 2018 than any year since the war began. US airstrikes in Yemen, Somalia, Syria, etc have also increased sharply since Dotard took over. His isolationism is as phony as his populism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He was supposedly against invading Iraq, promised to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, make our allies pay for our bases, not push Russia in Ukraine (read as, no new war in Europe) raise tariffs and build walls, and suggested Clinton was a war hawk while he was not. I know it's mostly incoherent, but the same paleo-conservatives who liked Buchanan got the message. And it helps explain some of the Sanders/Trump crossover.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue cat
(2,415 posts)It was right after Devine got him to run.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Yup
I don't get all the accusations saying Bernie is doing all this nonsense when it takes next to no time to see its usually nonsense or overblown.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blue cat
(2,415 posts)I didnt buy his explanation of missing vote re sanctions,again fishy, smelly. I have big concerns about how he handled the nuclear waste thing, and how his wife was involved. Nepotism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)talking point in late 2015. I haven't heard it mentioned as anyone's policy position yet in this cycle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)And I say this as someone who still has hard feelings about 2016 and would NEVER vote for Bernie in a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue cat
(2,415 posts)Man thats like your opinion. I would not vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Some opinions are better informed than others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Poll after poll bears this out. He has great favorables.
Then there are folks like me who dislike for Bernie as a person, prefer others (like Warren) as candidate, and would frankly prefer Bernie go away already. If it came down to him and Trump, I'd vote for Bernie in a heartbeat! I wouldn't even have to hold my nose to do it.
Apathy on our side helped propel Trump to victory in 2016. That's one thing he won't be able to count on in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)38% of Iowa Democrats consider Bernie their #1 or #2 choice. Biden, who I also feel would crush Trump in a GE, was the #1 or #2 choice with an astonishing 46% of Democratic voters.
Bernie isnt popular on DU and I can understand why. But overall he's quite popular with Democrats and Dem-leaning independents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)and polls this far out mean very little and mainly reflect name recognition. Biden and Bernie are nationally known whereas most of the other candidates are not.
At this same time in:
-2015 Jeb Bush and Scott Walker were way ahead in the polls and Trump was at 1%.
-2007 Obama was well behind Hillary.
-1991 Bill was in single digits well behind Jerry Brown. It was only until late '91/early '92 that Bill started to catch up and pull away.
Even if Bernie does well in IA and NH (which is no guarantee) it says nothing about how he'll do in more diverse and populous states, that he did terribly in against Hillary last time, especially when primaries (as opposed to caucuses) were held.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,110 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So far this time, Trump is losing or tied with various potential Democrats, including Sanders. But since it is still early, my thinking right now is based on two factors:
1) It will take an unconventional candidate to beat Trump. Sanders certainly qualifies, but he is not the only one.
2) The nation's pendulum is swing back left, so more progressive candidates have an advantage over moderates for the first time since FDR.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RobertDevereaux
(1,853 posts)I see no reason why his support from independent voters wouldn't be as strong in 2018.
From April 2016:
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"Like Dean, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders aims to outflank his opponent from the left. But unlike Dean, Sanders does much better among independents than among Democrats. In New Hampshire, for instance, Sanders won Democrats by 4 percentage points while winning independents by nearly 50 percentage points, a split weve seen repeatedly since then."
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Bernie had great support from independents in 2016. It was one of the main reasons some of us were pushing for him so hard, because he was clearly able to bring in large numbers of voters we've been struggling to get in recent years.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)1. Too many Democratic Party members, more than a few here, are 100% sour on him from 2016. Won't go into details and rehash it, but it's a fact. Had a few things gone differently in 2016, he might have had a real shot this time around. I don't believe so at all now. I know I am not supporting him, period.
2. Several candidates have the potential to flip Texas this cycle. Texas is the only state that on it's own, had it flipped in 2016 would have resulted in a different outcome. No other single state in the tRumpublicans camp can say that. BS as candidate completely takes Texas off the table. There is no way in hell that he will ever carry Texas.
3. Florida is the next best bet for us as a party. Already it's a hard, but narrowly winnable card. Just a reminder, BS only got 33% of the primary in 2016 to Hillary's 64%. Democratic Socialist doesn't mean much in California, New York, Oregon, Washington State, etc., but those it definitely will affect a Florida GE outcome. Hell, Democratic Socialist doesn't mean anything to me. I'd have no problem voting for someone who identifies that way. Many of the videos of him out there, and his letters that dare not be posted here? Rest assured, tRumpublicons won't have our same restraint. I don't see any path at all for him taking Florida.
4. The rest of the traditionally Red southern states? LOL, yeah right.
So, this would leave only 1 path.. he would HAVE to win both Ohio and PA, or AZ/WI/OH, or AZ/WI/PA. Should also note, of these potential paths, the ONLY state he carried in the 2016 primaries was Wisconsin.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....they're only concerned about "likeability" when it comes to women candidates.
Wonder why that is?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and Trump is a winner if'n it ever got that far (which it won't.) But if it did (and it won't) Trump would TOTALLY defeat BS. There are simply no two ways about it.
By the way, we're all still waiting for him to release his full TAX RETURNS. Any word on that? What's the delay? If the tax returns were complete enough to submit to the IRS, then they are complete enough to release to the American voters. No "polishing" or "adjusting" or "clarifying" or "fixing-up" or "fine-tuning" is necessary.
Everyone should play by the same rules. No special favors for anyone! No exceptions.
The American people have the right to know whether or not anyone running to be the "Leader of the Free World" has properly paid his taxes. We have the right for an honest, forthcoming, and COMPLETE release of his FULL tax returns for a period of TEN years so that we can confirm where the candidate's money is coming from, and where the candidate is investing or saving (ie: domestic or off-shore) and what the candidate and his/her spouse claims as "deductibles" or other assets.
We need to see EVERY candidate's tax returns BEFORE the primaries... so that we'll know whether or not he or she is honest and has the integrity to be our party's nominee.
It's complete BS for any candidate to think they're entitled to DELAY and not release their tax returns until they win the nomination. All I'm saying is that the American voters deserve better than the peek-a-boo and hide-and-seek delays and excuses. It just looks suspicious when any candidate is hiding his (or her) tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,367 posts)I think that can be important data, for sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)when he says his candidate is "very, very strong." It must mean he "really" is strong! (What the hell ELSE would he say?)
Like anyone would change their minds based on the strength of a candidate's pollster's faith in his candidate. (At least his professed faith in his candidate.)
I'm totally gonna vote for BERRRRNNIEEEEE! because of Ben Tuchin's gushing!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Is not where he is going to be attacked from in a General Election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Pollster or no, IMHO mr sanders is far from the strongest candidate
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)They just have 40 years of tapes on Bernie saying things that fit the narrative they are trying to sell.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
forklift
(401 posts)will be in almost every story. Trump will derive a nickname for Sanders from those essays.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
forklift
(401 posts)The problem is ..... there are so few of them ..... alas
Here is something that is worth a spin ....
Since both Bernie and Trump have not released their taxes, Sanders cannot attack Trump on that point.
What Trump is hiding is soon going to be public. We will never know about Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,212 posts)I've been discussing this with my brother and our mentor uncle, and we think Bernie wasn't vetted enough last go round. The taxes, the deadbeat dad thing, the rape fantasy thing, the cold war Moscow "honeymoon," and so much more. He has no chance in the general. In fact, I think the's the least likely to win against Rump.
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia has compromat on him going back to his trip there, but even without that conspiracy theory, he really has some baggage the general population has never heard about.
Oh well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)He won't do well with PoC and women once his "identity politics" comments and fixation with the white working class over other voting blocs becomes widely known.
He won't win Latinos when his 2007 immigration reform vote (and going on Lou Dobbs to talk about it) becomes widely known.
He won't win swing voters and moderates who dislike high taxes and will not vote for someone with a long history of far-left politics and praise for leftwing dictators (Castro, Noriega) and who honeymooned in the USSR and spoke glowingly of the country during the height of the cold war.
He also won't win over enough white working class votes to offset underperformance with the aforementioned groups. Trump solidly has these voters, who will simply vote for "the real thing" ie a populism that more strongly appeals to their racial resentments, instead of the generic class populism pitched by Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,826 posts)that you cited, When Bernie Sanders Thought Castro and the Sandinistas Could Teach America a Lesson is very interesting. As are the clips from the Lou Dobbs interview from 2007.
The electability question comes to the fore with these references because the Trump supporters would nail Sanders' hide to the wall with 'inconvenient' information just like this.
Hillary Clinton was far too gentle.
Just a few reminders why Senator Sanders will not be our nominee.
You can fool some of the people some of the time. But not all of the people all of the time.
This ain't 2016! Not even close.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)There are numerous videos out there of Sanders saying weird pro-communist things like "bread lines are a good thing".
The fact is, Sanders stated position as a democratic socialist is actually the "moderate" incarnation of himself.
For much of his life he was hard leftist with dictatorial sympathies - Americans won't go for that.
He would lose in a landslide and take Dems down with him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,442 posts)Women.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)This is a Democratic forum, not a conservative one. I'm asking you this politely, because I don't like alerting on people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radius777
(3,635 posts)Sanders views should be thoroughly analyzed, like every other candidate, if he wants to hold the most powerful office in the world.
Sanders has a long and well documented history of apologism and outright praise for left-wing dictatorships such as Cuba, Nicaragua and the USSR - and voters ought to know what his values are.
He casts himself as a democratic socialist in the Euro/Nordic sense - but this clearly is not what his true worldview has been for much of his life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)We should all move to Russia! Must be a wonderful place to live instead of this pathetic Country we live in!
Anyone care to join me?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,826 posts)No thanks
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,367 posts)Sanders' comments on the Soviet Union seem totally fine to me.
Sanders' comments on Castro and Cuba seem totally fine to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)An no, I don't like the bread line comment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Biden is going to win the Primary!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Joe strikes me as one who is the most real, down to earth one I have heard. The empathy he shows for the average Joe rings true the same way Sherrod Bronw does.
I am personally relieved Sherrod is staying here because with DeWine, Husted snd Gym Jordan we need all the help we can get.
Donny Deutsch likes Biden/ Beto. With Republicans comparing Beto to Obama that seems to be the Dream Team.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)I also am one to call my senators...one time he answered his own phone. I live in Ohio so I agree with you about Sherrod Brown...we don't need another repuke in this state.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)It will be interesting to see not only how and when they come out, but how Sanders addresses them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)way he tried to explain his vote as a vote "out of concern for immigrants" made it all worse. That clip with Lou Dobbs shows his true feelings...he shows a total disregard, I would ev en say contempt for immigrants.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)I will support the nominee of the party but I doubt that sanders will be the nominee. There are far too many real democrats with long memories who will not forgive or forget.
I want an electable candidate and I do not believe that sanders is electable
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,212 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)for 2020.
Except he was right on these issues decades ago and took massive amounts of crap for being a leader, ahead of his time
That's why he has my vote until he wins the primary and the white house or loses to another dem.
I KNOW he believes what he preaching, some of these others, not so much/remains to be seen.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Rarely does one see fealty to this extent. It's just as unappealing as when it comes from the other side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Link to tweet
Sanderss age, the socialist moniker he embraces and his 2016 campaign problem with women are not going to change during the race. Its unlikely his personality or his familiarity with foreign policy will improve, either. (The guy is 77, and if we have learned anything from Trump, it is that septuagenarians dont change their personalities nor attend to habitual deficits in knowledge.) Oh, and on Sunday he again promised to release his tax returns, which he promised over a month ago would be soon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden