Why does Biden keep talking about working with Obama?

[Peacetrain]

We have heard that a number of times on different media stations.. okay

Discussing that question at coffee over the weekend.. being one of a couple of VP BIden supporters in the group, I was getting ready to jump on that .. when sitting two chairs down..an old friend.. a retired research scientist, who does not really talk that much.. looks up, and says.. (as well as I can remember it)

"What should he talk about?.. He is the only one with Executive Office experience, and he actually has participated in doing the job he is running for,..this is exactly what he should be talking about.. what you know and how do you plan to do the job"

Well later that evening I came in and tried to post something along the same lines in someone else's op.. but the more I thought about it.. you know.. it can stand on its own..so my dear friends in the MSM.. he would be a fool not to talk about the exact experience that makes him so valuable for the job

[elleng]

1. YES, he would be a fool not to talk about the exact experience

that makes him so valuable for the job.

Anyone recall Al Gore's experience, when he did everything BUT talk about his experience working with Pres. Clinton?

[msongs]

2. al ran away from the best economy in decades nt

[elleng]

4. Yes he did.

[Peacetrain]

22. Amen to that!!

[Peacetrain]

16. The biggest mistake Al Gore made was running away from all they had accomplished..

truer words never said

[elleng]

20. Yes.

So advised by Donna Brazile, as I recall.

[Cha]

48. And, choosing that pious Liebermann

as his VP.

[DownriverDem]

54. Of course he would talk about his experience

It's his story. It's who he is.

[olegramps]

71. This what totally puts him miles ahead of any other candidates.

I will say this. I do not support Harris and never will support her from the nomination. I resent what she is doing and consider it nothing more than cheap shots by a person who has demonstrated that she is unable to get the nomination based on her own merits and vison for the nation.

[MustLoveBeagles]

79. Yeah, that didn't work out too well for Al

[bluewater]

3. Serious Question: Does Joe Biden get equal credit with President Obama?

Yes, he was the VP for eight years, so does that means he gets equal credit with President Obama? Is it a 50/50 split?

How much credit for a prior administration should a Vice President get?

[elleng]

6. Each voter decides.

[bluewater]

8. Great answer.

Thank you.

[qazplm135]

11. clearly the answer is no

but obviously I would expect anyone in his position to tie him or herself to the popular President in the Dem primary as much as they could. It would be political malpractice not to.

Having said that, it's only going to take you so far.

[Cha]

46. Biden doesn't have to "tie himself" to

President Obama as you so insulting put it.
Biden was his Vice President for 8 years and Obama said it was one of the best decisions he ever made.

[qazplm135]

60. Lol

Right. The guy who ran twice and got nowhere is only viable at all this time around because he was Obama's VP.

So yeah being Obama's VP is pretty clearly something he's going to use... because Obama is still immensely popular.

Nothing "insulting" about that reality. It's the plainly obvious play any candidate would make. You are just looking for insults.

[Politicub]

30. Percentages don't matter. No one is really asking that question. Well,

you are, so almost no one.

[bluewater]

35. Yeah, that's true. It's another of my silly questions.

I am trying to make up my own mind about it. I ruminate on weird political questions like this a lot.

How much credit should a VP get for a prior administration? Obviously some.

I am trying to be fair about it, but also be less vague.

If it's even possible to put a number on it, my gut number would be... 15-35%.
Depending on the extra responsibilities a VP performed.

[Politicub]

39. It's hard to know. I wouldn't know how to score giving advice, etc.

I would imagine that Obama sought Biden’s council. And VPs are sometimes referred to as presidents of the senate. In that capacity, Biden would have been influential with some pieces of legislation.

It’s more interesting question than I had originally thought!

[bluewater]

42. Thanks for the discussion

[reACTIONary]

63. I have read, but don't know for sure ....

... That Obama relied quite a bit on Biden's foreign policy expertise .

[customerserviceguy]

45. If it is known

that the two were often at loggerheads, then no, the VP shouldn't get so much credit. But as I recall, Obama and Biden worked seamlessly, except for the acceptance of equal marriage, and in my eyes, Joe gets credit for that.

[Cha]

5. That's my first reaction..

why shouldn't Biden talk about it? It's an invaluable part of his resume.

It's obvious his detractors don't want him to talk about his experiences in the Obama Admin.. so.. all the more reasons to keep doing it!

I love your friend's thoughts on this, Peacetrain.. Thank You!

"What should he talk about?.. He is the only one with Executive Office experience, and he actually has participated in doing the job he is running for,..this is exactly what he should be talking about.. what you know and how do you plan to do the job"

[onetexan]

9. well said Cha! It is because of the achievements of the Obama/Biden administration that we now have

a robust economy. The Idiot in the WH & GOP get no credit for for their disastrous policies.

[Cha]

13. Yes, "the robust economy" that the Psycho

is taking credit for!

Thank You, onetexan!

[Peacetrain]

21. Cha my firend is so quiet.. he just sits and drinks his coffee.. and smiles

but he is very thoughtful. I still do not know who he is supporting.. but everyone was doing the up and down yes head nod when he had finished.. it was pretty cool

[Cha]

44. I bet it was cool! I was actually

thinking of how you said that he was usually quiet when I posted his comments. Very eloquently said and by someone who may not even be supporting Joe Biden.

What a soothing experience for you, Peacetrain!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

7. The more Joe talks about the Obama years....

the contrast becomes all the more clear with what Trump is doing to destroy those years.

When decency, diplomacy, and doing good by the people were the RULES and not the exceptions. We have to return to that apparently.

[Cha]

15. Exactly, ProudMNDemocrat.. I hadn't

thought of it like that but so true!

Of course the m$$$$$media wouldn't want to hear about that.

[Peacetrain]

18. No kidding.. its that old canard.. like night and day.. the Democrats were the light

and the Trumpians have been trying to pull us into a never ending night..

[onetexan]

53. Bingo, the contrast is stark and enlightening

8 years of
1 - economic recovery from a recession the previous GOP administration that was damn well on the brink of collapse, to one that is what it is today. My retirement portfolio thanks Obama/Biden
2- instant restoration of relationships with our allies, & of America's position as the greatest nation on earth
3- healthcare for millions of uncovered Americans
4- a scandal-free administration!!!!

Just to name a few accomplishments should anyone question why Joe Biden should not be talking about the Obama years. I would tack his name to it as well - Obama/Biden

[Buzz cook]

10. A verb a noun and

Obama. To paraphrase Biden.

You'er right that Biden should tout his experience in the Obama administration. Where it becomes problematic is that he claims credit for the success' of the administration rather than pointing out specifics of his role in the administration.
He also has a tendency to deflect criticism of his role and specific failures of the administration by claiming they are attacks on Obama.

Biden has a long record and he was an important figure in the Obama administration. He should run on them. But he needs to defend those things in his record that are problematic and if he is taking on Obama's mantle he needs to defend those thing that are problematic there as well.

[Cha]

12. No, VP Biden actually has invaluble

experience in the Obama Admin.. and your trying to belittle him with what was true about Ghouliani is Not going to work.

[Buzz cook]

67. Sweet JeZuz

Do you really need the sarcasm tag?

Why is it that so many Biden supporters have the sense of humor of a church lady?

[Cha]

69. Why is it you have to insult?

[Buzz cook]

74. Because you misrepresent

what I say. You are dishonest in every discussion we have shared.

You have very little to say and you say it poorly.

[Cha]

75. Another insult.

[Peacetrain]

14. He is running on his record.. and part of that record is actually being in the Executive Office..

as my friend said..he has actually been in the Executive Office.. he knows the job.. he should talk about it.. they did great things!! Very proud of that administration.. God we were headed down the river Styx and the they pulled us out of the fire.. did great things..and the republicans have been hell bent to do away with everything the Democrats accomplished..

[Buzz cook]

68. He is not running on his own record enough.

He needs to get specific about his efforts. He needs to say I did such and such as VP.

If he continues to run on Obama's record he will just seem like a mini me.

[Cha]

70. Biden's "record" is a big part of the Obama

Admin.. and a very recent 8 years.. whether you see it or not.

[Buzz cook]

73. Yes it is

And Biden needs to run on it.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[ucrdem]

17. bwahaha

I see what you did there

[Turin_C3PO]

19. He has every right to tout

his time with Obama. It’s one of his main selling points, IMO.

[Peacetrain]

24. I think it is also!

[helpisontheway]

23. I don't know but he needs to be careful because those Trump Dems voted for change from Obama

policies.

[mac56]

25. Does anyone here give a flying fudd

about what "Trump Dems" think?

[customerserviceguy]

49. We're going to need a few of them

in some battleground states. Biden is better positioned to bring them back than anyone else running, in my opinion.

[ucrdem]

26. If it's a thing it's a total RW meme

And it makes the picture on Eastland a little clearer, though to be honest I never doubted that one was a pre-planned RW hit job. And now this? So basically the strategy is, whatever Biden says is going to be labeled a gaffe, hurtful, out of touch, a dodge, inappropriate, or some other whacko metric dreamed up by operatives in Florida. Mark my words.

[Cha]

50. I've seen a few try to shame

Biden for running on his record as President Obama's VP. "..basking in his glory.." Not having a gd clue what Biden did those 8 years. They're trying to go after his strengths.

I don't think the m$$$$media like it 'cause it reminds people of how good it was before they helped rig in trump to destroy Obama's legacy.

If he gets to be the nominee.. I'd like to see the fascists try it.. and you know they will.

[ucrdem]

55. Exactly. Expect a dramatic overreaction to everything Joe does or says

I get the feeling there are many more apology ransoms down the campaign trail, and I hope they won't be coming from our side any more. Props to Cory and Anita Hill for getting out of that game.

[Cha]

57. Yes, Props to Booker for letting it go and

and moving on by actually accepting Joe's apology.. I guess when you say Anita Hill you're referring to her saying... she "..could vote for Biden.. ".. that was certainly downplayed on here by Biden's detractors.

[Kurt V.]

27. the thing about experience, although fairly important, it only happens to one person. History

Clearly shows smarts i.e. policy out shines experience.

[FloridaBlues]

28. It probably has something to do with experience. Good thing to have now.

[Mike Nelson]

29. He hopes to do well...

… in the Democratic Primaries. Now is the time to talk about working well with Obama - not working well with old segregationists!

[jalan48]

31. It's better than talking about working with the Republicans?

[oasis]

32. The old saying, "Dance with who brung ya".

[Thekaspervote]

33. Agree! Fact: an individual has to see or hear something 7 times for it begins to sink in

[lame54]

34. Experience?...

No experience was a main criticism of Obama when he ran

Elizabeth Warren has plenty of experience getting shit done

[whathehell]

36. I agree completely. n/t.

[Skittles]

37. because he needs the Obama voters

[Cha]

52. Of course.. and he had excellent experience

as President Obama's Vice President.

[Chitown Kev]

38. It's valuable experience...he should talk about it...

But...that's not his only exp. and I do want to hear some specifics that he assisted Obama with...there has to be more to his case than simply "I was there..."

[ananda]

40. Because, umm, he did ...

....

[wsbradshaw]

41. Once before

Didn't he get in trouble for taking credit for someone else's work once before?

[Scurrilous]

43. K&R

[George II]

47. Only one person had the honor and privilege of working closely with Barack Obama...

...as his Vice President.

It show how important and qualified he is.

[Zambero]

56. Senior advisor perhaps?

Although Ivanka would be a VERY tough act to follow!

[oldsoftie]

51. Because he wants to remind people what sanity looks like

[BootinUp]

59. Good point. Nt

[BootinUp]

58. Nice post. Nt

[Drunken Irishman]

61. Same reason Gore should have played up his role with Clinton in 2000.

[Cha]

62. yeah, instead he chose pious Liebermann for VP,

future repub, or something like that.. and ran from Pres Clinton.. bad advice.

It's really brilliant to have President Obama's 8 years.. that no one in their right mind would run from.

[Skid Rogue]

64. Remember?

[Cha]

65. Yes!

[myohmy2]

66. it's...

...like when the pukes wrap themselves in the flag and the past because they offer little or nothing to us for the future...elections are about the future...

...when you're hungry for change, the past may wet your appetite but it won't satisfy or last very long...

...

[MineralMan]

72. Why wouldn't he?

I mean, it's highly relevant, I would think. Nobody else has that to talk about.

[shanny]

76. As a talisman?

That would be my guess.

[beachbum bob]

77. Biden strength is from being inside a pretty successful administration.

Be stupid not to talk about it

[CentralMass]

78. Why not ?

[mtnsnake]

80. I wanna know why he keeps saying "the fact of the matter" and "c'mon, man"

in every other sentence.

[Peacetrain]

81. colloquialisms of where he is from.. we say uff dah.. and

yah think.. yah sure.. quite a bit.. My husband is from Minnesota.. peculiarities of different areas of the country.. "folks" is one of my favorites.. though a lot of people say that.. but VP Joe has just a special way of saying it..

[mtnsnake]

82. I like when he does the "c'mon, man" thing. It's effective as long as he doesn't overdo it.

Keeps him young.

[Cha]

83. Because it's one of the

best resumes in the World!