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brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:34 AM Jul 2019

Bernie Sanders might be losing his N.H. firewall

Boston Globe

Bernie Sanders and his aides would be forgiven if, when mapping out his 2020 presidential campaign, they didn’t spend a lot of time wondering how the Vermont senator would win the New Hampshire Democratic primary.

After all, in 2016, no state was better for Sanders than New Hampshire. The independent senator won the first-in-the-nation primary with 60 percent of the vote. The 22-point win over Hillary Clinton — who had a decades-long relationship with New Hampshire — was the biggest victory margin in that state for a competitive Democratic primary in over a half century.

In the years since, Sanders returned to the state often. He maintained a strong volunteer team and a local steering committee that met regularly. His son even ran for Congress in the state last year.

But now, with a little more than six months to go until the 2020 New Hampshire primary, Sanders can no longer take the state for granted. He has gone from being the unquestioned front-runner to second place — and sliding.
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Bernie Sanders might be losing his N.H. firewall (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
"His son even ran for Congress in the state last year." JI7 Jul 2019 #1
Levi Sanders came in 7th in the NH-1 Democratic Primary with 1.7% brooklynite Jul 2019 #3
And everyone in the state knew Sanders wouldn't endorse him. Hortensis Jul 2019 #11
He relinquished first place to former vice president Joe Biden and was tied with Senator Elizabeth Cha Jul 2019 #2
If BS is struggling or threatened in NH, then he's already lost. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #18
.. Cha Jul 2019 #27
However unfair 2016 was to Bernie Sanders bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #4
I disagree with any assessment that 2016 was unfair to him. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #7
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2019 #10
I was a huge Obama supporter in 2008 - did not like Hillary. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #15
I traveled the same path as you. silentEcho Jul 2019 #17
Unfair? He was coddled. He was able to do what he wanted in his campaign with no challenge. silentEcho Jul 2019 #14
Thank you. You're absolutely correct. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #19
I agree with LiberalFighter. Cha Jul 2019 #28
Sanders should drop out nt Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #5
Ditto onetexan Jul 2019 #23
If sanders loses New Hampshire, he will have no path to being the nominee Gothmog Jul 2019 #6
NH is a good bellwether for the future of BS in 2020. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #20
From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #8
The BS campaign is in trouble and the staff knows it... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #21
RealClearPolitics Averages for New Hampshire: George II Jul 2019 #9
our progressive vote is split 3 ways questionseverything Jul 2019 #26
From my Twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #12
Good. Every other candidate is a better choice. -nt. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #13
He would gain in the polls... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #16
I remain hopeful that sanders will fail to reach the 300 delegate threshold Gothmog Jul 2019 #22
Good !!! trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #24
This isn't 2016 Trenzalore Jul 2019 #25
 

JI7

(89,247 posts)
1. "His son even ran for Congress in the state last year."
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:35 AM
Jul 2019

how did that go ?

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brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
3. Levi Sanders came in 7th in the NH-1 Democratic Primary with 1.7%
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:04 AM
Jul 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. And everyone in the state knew Sanders wouldn't endorse him.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:30 AM
Jul 2019

Given the son, that may actually have been a principled position. But it may also have harmed Sanders with people who wouldn't understand.

(Frankly, I'm glad it wasn't my dilemma. Both of our children would make fine representatives.
)

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Cha

(297,154 posts)
2. He relinquished first place to former vice president Joe Biden and was tied with Senator Elizabeth
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:48 AM
Jul 2019
Warren of Massachusetts. And while Sanders dropped there, Warren has surged by 14 points.
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. If BS is struggling or threatened in NH, then he's already lost.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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bucolic_frolic

(43,135 posts)
4. However unfair 2016 was to Bernie Sanders
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:20 AM
Jul 2019

he did not win the nomination and is a retread at this point

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LiberalFighter

(50,895 posts)
7. I disagree with any assessment that 2016 was unfair to him.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jul 2019

He did better because his campaign manager wrote the rules that the DNC relied on. Meaning they knew how it was all suppose to work.

Maybe if there had been more candidates running he might had stood a better chance. Then again, he might have done worse.

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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
15. I was a huge Obama supporter in 2008 - did not like Hillary.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:55 PM
Jul 2019

But you know what? Hillary got a far bigger raw deal in the 2008 primary than Sanders did in 2016. No one seems to ever mention that, though. Sure, the PUMAs did initially but it was quickly forgotten as Hillary worked her butt off to see Obama get elected. But beyond Hillary, her supporters worked their butt off to see Obama get elected. They knew the outcome of that election was far bigger than any one candidate.

Hillary likely won more votes than Obama did in the 2008 primary. Bernie didn't even come close to winning as many votes in 2016.

I think Bernie did well to work for Hillary. I believe a good amount of his supporters did not, however.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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silentEcho

(424 posts)
17. I traveled the same path as you.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jul 2019

2016 was educational in my perception of HRC and the reality of HRC. I came to really appreciate and respect and admire Hillary. I am very happy her voice has not been silenced, and amazed at her level handedness of her voice when she does speak out. A real asset to the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

silentEcho

(424 posts)
14. Unfair? He was coddled. He was able to do what he wanted in his campaign with no challenge.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:49 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Thank you. You're absolutely correct.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,154 posts)
28. I agree with LiberalFighter.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 06:15 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
6. If sanders loses New Hampshire, he will have no path to being the nominee
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. NH is a good bellwether for the future of BS in 2020.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jul 2019

If NH fails to embrace BS, then the Democratic party will not have BS as the nominee... guaranteed!

At that point, he should just withdraw gracefully.

Things are looking up for my favorite candidates, though.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. The BS campaign is in trouble and the staff knows it...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jul 2019

The BS campaign is in trouble and the staff knows it... I think the candidate knows it too.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. RealClearPolitics Averages for New Hampshire:
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:46 AM
Jul 2019

Biden 24.0
Warren 18.0
Sanders 16.3
Harris 13.0

Two latest polls:

CBS News/YouGov

Biden 27
Warren 18
Sanders 20
Harris 12

CNN/UNH

Biden 24
Warren 19
Sanders 19
Harris 9

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questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
26. our progressive vote is split 3 ways
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jul 2019

add the progressive vote together and it is double bidens support

we need ranked choice voting to get the best ,most popular candidate

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
13. Good. Every other candidate is a better choice. -nt.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:30 AM
Jul 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
16. He would gain in the polls...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jul 2019

If he shaved his head and wore a bow tie.

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Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
22. I remain hopeful that sanders will fail to reach the 300 delegate threshold
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jul 2019

I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention and saw how the process works. One key item is that under the rules, a candidate cannot be put into nomination without 300 delegates. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf

Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United
States in the following manner:

a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.

b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president. Pledged and automatic delegates may sign the petition.

If sanders is frozen out of enough states due to the 15% rule and remaining non-Biden delegates are split among several candidates, there is a chance that sanders may not reach 300 threshold
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Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
25. This isn't 2016
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jul 2019

The "anxiety" about Hillary doesn't exists. There are progressives with better stories.

I expect him to be around to the last primary because his supporters will fund him but I don't expect him to be at the top of the conversation come March/April 2020.

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