NY Magazine: Sanders's Slow Bern-Out as Warren and Harris Gain Strength

[ehrnst]

If there were a summer camp for the “vast left-wing conspiracy” as Trump White House adviser Kellyanne Conway has dubbed it, it’d be the annual Netroots Nation Conference here this weekend. And among those campers — the 3,700 liberal activists and operatives — two candidates in the upcoming Democratic presidential primary are clear favorites: Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

But only one of the two showed up to address the faithful. Warren received a rockstar welcome at a candidate forum Saturday, while Sanders skipped the conference and sent his campaign co-chair instead.

Sanders cited a scheduling conflict, but some observers suspected the decision to skip Netroots Nation might have been driven by bad memories from the same event in 2015 — in which he was challenged by Black Lives Matters activists and looked really annoyed — or a running feud he and his campaign have had with Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitas, who moderated this year’s presidential-candidate forum. Markos scorned Sanders for his absence.


As a reminder, Sanders won the 2016 New Hampshire primary over Hillary Clinton with 60 percent of the vote. Yes, the field is much larger, but that’s still quite a fall from grace in the Granite State, and there’s no way to sugar-coat a fifth-place showing other than to note that the poll is taken from a small sample and has a margin of error of over 5 percent.

Another potential pitfall for Sanders is that he has so far limited himself with a campaign strategy that doesn’t appear designed to expand beyond his base.

Link to tweet

But to win the nomination, he’ll need to win over some new fans — especially if he keeps losing old ones. Ardent progressives have more options (most obviously Warren) to choose from than they did in 2016, and Sanders may have underestimated how much of his 2016 support was simply a protest vote against Hillary Clinton. An Emerson College poll out this week found he was getting only 25 percent of the vote among those who said they supported him in 2016.

Sanders’s original strategy was probably to ride his 2016 base and his money machine to first or second place and then go mano a mano against fellow septuagenarian Joe Biden over issues of ideology and electability. But the landscape has grown more complicated, and the question is whether Bernie can find a campaign tone more subtle than shouting, and a path to the nomination more nuanced than a direct assault across scorched ground.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/sanderss-slow-bern-out-as-warren-and-harris-gain-strength.html

[NurseJackie]

1. Thanks for sharing this. It makes me happy.

[Me.]

2. He Sent Nina?

Yea Gods

[left-of-center2012]

3. I'm sorry, but -- Just my humble opinion ...

The more I hear from Bernie,
the more I'm reminded of an old movie
that I just don't want to watch again.

[maxsolomon]

4. It's over. He's not going to make any headway.

Pass the baton, Sen. Sanders.

[Bucky]

37. That's not fair. He can still get things done

For instance, he could split off enough progressive votes from Warren so that Biden or Harris gets the nomination

[maxsolomon]

55. LOL

also

also I'm fine with Harris.

[silentEcho]

5. A slow burn out is what we need not to have the chaos and destruction and angst of his supporters.

This is the best we can hope for to not have to deal with a repeat of 2016. Especially our convention that is to celebrate our nominee.

Btw, when has Warren ever been our "sworn enemy"? It seems she has always been well respected by her peers.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. I like Bernie. He brought up some good issues in 2016.

I hope he can put some of that enthusiasm behind the Democratic nominee, who won't be Bernie.

[ehrnst]

7. If we've learned anything from history... (nt)

[lunamagica]

10. Don't hold your breath...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

23. I know. But, I just hope SOME of the current candidates actively support the nominee. nt

[aikoaiko]

8. This is what democracy looks like.

But I still hope he stays on as long as possible.

He helps the Democratic party be a better party.

[ehrnst]

9. What is "as long as possible?"

After someone else has won the primary?

[Bucky]

38. There's not "the primary"

There's dozens of primaries, each one significantly different from the other. I don't think any candidate, including Warren, should stay in long enough to become a spoiler, if they're clearly losing.

On the other hand, if there's not a consensus yet, no one should be pressured to leave the race just because they're placing 3rd, 4th, or 5th in a 20-way race. That's still technically winning (as in winning delegates) in the early primaries.

Besides, no one should be forced out with the first voting still months away

He's not quite my cup of tea, but at the end of the day Bernie raises some important points and has earned his place on the podium.

[ehrnst]

39. OK then, the "whole of the Democratic primaries"

On the other hand, if there's not a consensus yet, no one should be pressured to leave the race just because they're placing 3rd, 4th, or 5th in a 20-way race.

I was talking about when one candidate crosses the threshold for the number of pledged delegates to be the winner - 1,885

Besides, no one should be forced out with the first voting still months away.

Attacking a straw man... really, there's no need to, even if answering the question might be uncomfortable.


So lets try this again....

So do you think that Sanders should stay in the race even after another candidate has won the 1,885 delegates in the overall Democratic primaries? Is that what you meant when you said "he should stay in as long as possible" or not? History shows that Sanders thinks "as long as possible" is to continue campaigning after another candidate has passed the 1,885 overal Democratic primary threshold.

[Vegas Roller]

11. Perfect analysis

I am happy that Sanders is on the decline and will be gone soon. He is already irrelevant.

[comradebillyboy]

25. I share that sentiment.

[R B Garr]

56. Totally agree!

💯 percent.

[qazplm135]

12. Nate's 100 percent right

I'm still not convinced Bernie or his supporters really want to win...they quite like the role they play now.

They certainly aren't doing anything that would persuade those not already part of the team to join in.

[delisen]

13. Sanders & Stein also got a boost in 2016 from Russia

In Sanders case I assume he did not seek or want.

There is still a case against Russians in federal court since last Fall from Mueller investigation. Affidavit online attesting to the various manipulations by Russian actors.

Don't know if Barr has prevented this case from going forward.

[ehrnst]

17. In Sanders case, he didn't speak up when he was told during the General Election

that foreign bot posted troll propaganda was being shared on his FB pages.

Not a word.

He also refused to say anything when he was told that his supporters were making viral Karl Rove's superpac ads designed to help Sanders in areas where he wasn't doing as well in the primary. When pressed, the candidate who railed against other candidates getting donations from dark money superpacs that "he didn't help raise that money" as the reason he wasn't going to say anything to stop his supporters from sharing them.

He may not have 'sought out' or "wanted' help and $$$$ of campaign ad buys from the dark money pacs and helpful professionally designed propaganda memes from hostile nations, but he didn't turn them away, even when asked.

There are many who have not forgotten that.

[betsuni]

29. [phone]

[MrsCoffee]

50. When he did speak up it was to tell us that whatever Russia was doing wasn't important.

That their hacking and interference was just a distraction. There was certainly nothing to worry about.

And then he somehow turned around and said Hillary was to blame for not doing enough to stop Russian interference while he voted against sanctioning them more than once.

Nothing to see here folks! This land is your land, this land is my land!

[Progressive dog]

14. Good nt

[stopbush]

15. Sanders isn't a Democrat. I support Democrats, not people who refuse to join

the Democratic Party and who only identify as a Democrat so they can run in the Democratic Party’s Presidential primaries, and to get access to DNC voter data to help their campaign.

22 candidates running for the Democratic Presidential nomination. 21 of them are all-the-time Democrats. One is a when-it’s-convenient-for-me Democrat. Sorry, doesn’t cut it in this Democrat’s book.

[NurseJackie]

27. Many people think the same as you.

Myself included.

[onetexan]

63. agree, that's by my beef w/ Bernie since 2016, not to mention the pie-in-the-sky ideas he tried to

sell the young.

[zentrum]

16. He did his main job. Which

....was to change the Democratic party and remind it of its roots.Thank you Bernie.

[ehrnst]

18. Well, at least Hillary pulled him to the left on social justice issues

and making the rich pay for their kids' college, so Bernie has the Democratic party to thank for that.

And he has the Democratic party to thank for allowing him to run on their ticket after years of bashing them, and then saying the reason that he thought it was "ethical" to run as a Democrat was for to benefit from the media and money that the Party had earned.

[silentEcho]

19. She also pulled him into a more progressive stance with "free" college. There was another, I can't

remember. Sanders was off tract on some of his issues and he then shifted and adopted Democratic positions then owned them as his own.

[ehrnst]

20. And women's issues, especially women of color

I hope that the endorsement that Mothers of the Movement gave to Hillary was a wake up call, as it were.

[silentEcho]

21. Well, especially women. Sanders followed a couple weeks behind with many of the issues.

Like with the PP debacle where Republicans were attacking Richards with a fake video. Sanders steps in immediately giving an ill-informed comment that simply did more damage to women, agreeing Richards owed that apology for her tone. He didn't bother educating himself on the situation enough to know Richards had said much more. I remember HRC then came out supporting PP and Richards and was Presidential. It took Sanders two weeks to follow along HRC's position. We saw that more than once.

[ehrnst]

43. Indeed.

His assenting comment in response to the question about women in the US "having abortions for sex selection" shows that he still has a ways to go in understanding or demonstrating an interest in current attacks on reproductive rights.

I truly don't think that he can evolve quickly enough to win over voters on that issue.

[silentEcho]

58. Exactly like agreeing sex selection is an issue in America today. Right.

Exactly. I had forgotten that one.

[zentrum]

42. Nah. It was

......black people themselves who forced Bernie to be a little less tone deaf on this issue. Not sure she ever dragged him anywhere, given her Iraq war vote and.....well, not going to re-litigate the primaries.

Democrats sure were always very glad to have him in their caucuses for his vote. Funny how that works.

Everyone admits, even the DNC, that the general platform for Democrats 2020 is what Bernie was talking about in 2016.

He ran fair and square as a Democrat in the primary. If he'd run as an independent in the General he'd have created a third party which would have drained hugely from her total. Did you ever go to one of his rallies? The last time I saw enthusiasm like that was at Obama's inauguration. After the primary--he worked to get her elected. Meantime he made the party more progressive because they saw the writing on the wall. He had the millennials. He had the future. Have you talked to Gen-Zers? It's Bernie's policies they support with racial justice now included. They don't talk about HRC or her policies.

OOps--I posted this to the wrong comment. Meant it for one further back. But meantime, Go Warren!

[silentEcho]

59. That "enthusiasm" did not translate into votes.

Not a single millennial I knew went Sanders. My group of kids were college students at the time. All were for HRC. This election, they are all over the map. Buttigeig, Warren, back and forth with Harris, Inslee. Not one Sanders. All respect Klobuchar. He does not have the educated Millennial.

[NurseJackie]

28. Oh brother.

[trueblue2007]

22. BARF ..... sent his campaign co-chair instead. THAT WON'T HELP HIM.

HE SHOULD HAVE GONE THERE HIMSELF.

[Cha]

24. LOL@RyanGrim...

lol

[betsuni]

31. Warren is Teh Establishment's "one-time sworn enemy"?

Did he forget that Warren endorsed Enemy Number One Hillary "Satan" Clinton, Queen of the Establishment, for president? He's living in a Grim's fairy tale.

[Cha]

32. Yeah, Grim is stuck on

"establishment".. and he can't get out BS gets no credit.0

[comradebillyboy]

26. Excellent read. It's spot on...

[NurseJackie]

30. This is his last hurrah, and he definitely won't be our party's nominee.

[comradebillyboy]

36. Thank God for small favors.

[Kurt V.]

33. this is all very natural and expected.

[betsuni]

34. K&R

[Princetonian]

35. Sanders made being an unabashed leftie cool to an entire generation of youth who then voted.

A big reason the 2018 midterm election was so successful for Democrats is because of youth voters came out in droves. The Democratic Party owes him a great debt.

I will also say that because of Bernie, the Democratic Party has moved unabashedly to the left from the bad old days of the DLC. My senator Booker was a total Wall Street hugging DLC Democrat before he made himself over into a liberal.

[ehrnst]

40. Hillary pulled Bernie to the left on Social Justice issues, and requring the 1% to pay for

college tuition for their own kids, and not get taxpayer help. I hope that he looks back on HRC endorsement by Mothers of the Movement, and his dismissive statements concerning Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign as learning opportunities for understanding of issues that don't directly affect white, straight men.

Bernie owes Hillary a great debt for that, and a debt to the Democratic party as well allowing him to run after he trashed them for years, and stated that the only reasons that he felt it was an ethical decision to run as a Democrat was to use the money and media the party had earned.

Bernie is going to need to win over Hillary supporters if he wants to win the Democratic nomination. If he doesn't feel that's necessary, I have to wonder what his motives are for running as a Democrat when he has a much better chance for the nomination for Green Party, or the Democratic Socialists of America. Then again, I wonder about the motives of the other candidates - especially those who were elected to statewide office in Red states - running for POTUS when they are at 3% in the polls, when we could use them in the Senate.

But apparently, he didn't influence you enough to support him... and you support the candidate that many, many Sanders supporters feel is the opposite of Bernie.

That's certainly interesting. What was it that caused you to drop Bernie for Biden?

[betsuni]

41. +1

[lapucelle]

45. Weren't most of BS's efforts made during the primaries, and didn't many of his candidates lose?

Vermont re-elected the same Republican governor who vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, rejected the institution of a paid family leave program, and contracted with a for-profit prison company to ship VT's incarcerated (disproportionately POC) to Mississippi hellhole to work off their sentences. Do VT Democrats "owe BS a debt"? How about the Vermonters imprisoned in Mississippi, thousands of miles from family and community support systems? Do they owe BS a debt of gratitude?

In October, where was BS? At home in VT stumping for Democrat Christine Hallquist for governor or far from his home state stumping in Iowa ?

Moreover, in late October BS was busy giving interviews in which he threw cold water on the whole idea of a Blue Wave:

“Bernie Sanders casts doubt on blue wave
I know a lot of people talk about this blue wave and all that stuff, but I don’t believe it,” Sanders told Hill.TV's “Rising” co-host Krystal Ball during an interview that aired on Monday.

Sanders said he believes that the outcome from Nov. 6 will be a “very, very close” situation and predicts that only a “handful of votes” will determine whether Democrats are able to regain control of the House or Senate.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/412535-sanders-casts-doubt-on-blue-wave
and

“I happen not to believe that there’s going to be this great blue wave,” he said earlier on Sunday at an event in Fort Dodge, in north central Iowa. “I happen to believe that on election night, which party controls the U.S. House will come down to a very few seats.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democrats-blue-wave.html

The Democratic Party owes a debt of gratitude to all the tenacious, dedicated "workhorses" who quietly and tirelessly give their all to get Democrats elected in every election, big and small without a single thought of personal advancement. Those people are not only the base of the party, they are also ts heart and soul. I trust their stewardship of the message and the platform.

[ehrnst]

49. +1000. (nt)

[George II]

51. Excellent points. BS' activity in October (after most of his primary candidates lost) may have...

...suppressed turnout rather than increased it. He was fairly cynical about Democrats taking over the House.

In fact, since you mention Hallquist, he didn't even endorse her until late September, only six weeks before the election, and more than five weeks after Hallquist won the Democratic primary in Vermont. What was he waiting for?

[lapucelle]

52. Remember the splashy proposal to allow those in prison to vote?

Here's a really bitter irony: Vermont's incarcerated have the right to vote if they are imprisoned in Vermont.

Vermonters imprisoned in for-profit hellholes are subject to the laws of the state in which they are working off their sentences in Dickensian conditions, in this case Mississippi, where the incarcerated do not have the right to vote.

I wonder what those folks think of their junior senator and his efforts in Iowa in October 2018.

[George II]

53. About 20% of Vermont's prisoners are sent outside the state. Vermont also has the highest rate...

...of incarceration of adult African Americans - more than double the national average.

[sheshe2]

54. +++

[silentEcho]

60. Why would he be so pessimistic about a blue wave?

[lapucelle]

62. Someone would have to ask him or one of his advisors. N/T

[silentEcho]

64. Maybe a supporter can interpret it for us. This is a little funny.

What I have noticed consistently is Sanders supporters telling me what he really means.

Like, when Sanders tells us he is not a Democrat, the supporters tells us it means he is really the best Democrat. Much more than our Democratic leaders.

When he says identity politics do not have a place in this election, supporters say he is a better feminist than HRC.

So, what would be the reason to say to purposely dismisses the blue wave.

[betsuni]

66. Let me try.

He thought there were too many status quo centrist establishment Democrats running, not enough transformative FDR Justice Democrats. The vast majority of Americans want True Progressive candidates who repeat Bernie's slogans, they are disgusted by those corporatist elite neoliberals beholden to Wall Street and wealthy donors, would rather not vote or not vote for the Democrat (who is the same as a Republican anyway). No blue wave.

The end.

Ha!

[silentEcho]

67. Hm. That could well be his explanation and he would be... wrong. Lol. Ok.

Once again, Sanders is wrong.

[betsuni]

68. Always!

He has convinced himself that he came up with Medicare for All, first to say health care is a right and not a privilege, and a $15 dollar minimum wage. Takes a quick Google to dispute that. No wonder he's lost support, his supporters started to look things up.

[silentEcho]

69. Right. I do not hear a single millennium supporting Sanders and I am in Sanders country.

[Princetonian]

70. Way to totally go off on an irrelevant tangent...

Read what I said over again. What in the world has what I said got to do with what you and others are going on about?

[lapucelle]

81. You claimed that "The Democratic Party owes [BS] a great debt" for turnout in the 2018 election.

I disagree, and my post details some of the reasons why. Those reasons aren't tangential to my opinion; they provide evidence for it.

Now, as for your specific point: Although the youth voter turnout in 2018 was 8% better than in the 2014 midterms, it dropped 23% from the 2016 numbers. The claim about "youth voters turning out in droves" might be true relative to 2014 numbers, but it is false compared to 2016.

There is no data to support the claim that turnout increased due to any BS initiative as opposed to efforts on the part of the actual candidates who were running, or other individuals or groups, or simply as a reaction to the abuses of the Trump presidency.

An estimated 31%* of eligible people ages 18 to 29 voted in the 2018 midterms, according to the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE).

This exceeds participation from the same age group in the 2014 midterms by about 10 percentage points but is still far below the number that voted in the 2016 presidential election, when 51% of eligible millennial voters cast a ballot.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/2018-midterms-youth-voter-turnout-still-room-for-growth

*The Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE) later revised the number down to 28%.

https://civicyouth.org/new-national-youth-turnout-estimate-28-of-young-people-voted-in-2018/

[Princetonian]

83. That's right. They do.

And that 2016 youth turnout was driven by Bernie inspired voters.

[lapucelle]

86. Do you have any evidence in support of either claim?

The Youth Vote in 2016
According to our initial, post-election estimate, approximately 50% of eligible young people—about 24 million youth, ages 18-29—voted in the 2016 general election. That’s a similar turnout rate to the one we calculated in 2012.

55% of young people voted for Hillary Clinton, while 37% supported Donald Trump. The remaining 8% of youth voted for a third-party candidate or did not cast a ballot for president. There were significant differences in youth vote choice by race, gender, educational attainment, and other factors.

The youth electorate was as diverse as the general youth population, and as the youth electorate in recent elections: 61% White, 15% African-American, 17% Latino, 5% Asian-American, and 3% other.

https://civicyouth.org/quick-facts/youth-voting/

[Princetonian]

87. WaPo: "More young people voted for Bernie Sanders than Trump and Clinton combined - by a lot"

It's hard to overemphasize how completely and utterly Sen. Bernie Sanders dominated the youth vote to this point in the 2016 presidential campaign. While Hillary Clinton dominated him among older voters, he dominated her right back among younger voters -- even winning more than 80 percent of their votes in some states against no less than the eventual Democratic nominee.

But this fact might say it better than any: In the 2016 campaign, Sanders won more votes among those under age 30 than the two presumptive major-party presidential nominees combined. And it wasn't close.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/20/more-young-people-voted-for-bernie-sanders-than-trump-and-clinton-combined-by-a-lot/?utm_term=.fd88ec12db56

[lapucelle]

88. That doesn't support your claim that Democrats owe BS a debt of gratitude for 2018 voter turnout.

That story is dated June 20, 2016 and concerns the 2016 primaries only, not the 2016 general election or the 2018 midterms.

[Princetonian]

89. Of course it does, unless you think those newly engaged Bernie youth voters sat out 2018.

You'll have to prove that to me, though.

[lapucelle]

90. That's the fallacy of false alternative compounded with the fallacy of negative proof

compounded with circular reasoning. I'll let your "argument" speak for itself.

[Princetonian]

94. No, it's common sense and faith in our youth voters who turned out in droves in 2016 and 2018.

I am not impressed by fancy words.

[silentEcho]

96. "I am not impressed by fancy words."

Ew, that is a reminder how Republicans talk about Democrats, using all those big words and all. You really didn't say that, did you?

[Princetonian]

97. Policing language is what communists do in China.

Are we in China?

[silentEcho]

105. Wait, you were the one starting it with "those fancy words".

I merely thought it funny.

[Princetonian]

107. Uh huh

Right.

[silentEcho]

108. O.k. Lol.

[lapucelle]

103. Conclusions supported by "common sense" and "faith" do not rise to the level of an argument.

Here's something with few "fancy words" helpful to anyone challenged by the difference between an argument and an assertion.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense

[Princetonian]

104. I have been a grassroots activist for decades. My common sense conclusions are supported by facts.

Your refusal to give credit to Bernie's galvanizing and inspirational effect on the youth vote since 2016 is not shared by anyone I know in the state Democratic Party committees where I am active, one of whom is a large battleground state.

We saw things on the ground that an anonymous blogger like you wouldn't understand given it wasn't written up in Psychology Today.

[lapucelle]

110. Can you cite any evidence for your claim?

I have been working for and with the Democratic party for over 40 years in both blue and battleground states. I have yet to hear anyone assert that the Democratic party owes BS a debt of gratitude for the 2016 general election youth vote or the 2018 Blue Wave victories.


As for acquaintances in state party committees, it is not surprising that people who agree with each other know each other

[Princetonian]

112. I gave you enough. Take it or leave it.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[lapucelle]

114. You gave no evidence to support the claim that "the Democratic Party owes a debt of gratitude to BS"

for either the 2016 youth vote in support of Democrats or the 2018 Blue Wave general election results.

[Princetonian]

115. "There are none so blind as those who will not see..."

The rest of Jonathan Swift's quote is good too.

[lapucelle]

116. You gave no evidence to support the claim that "the Democratic Party owes a debt of gratitude to BS"

for either the 2016 youth vote in support of Democrats or the 2018 Blue Wave general election results.

Irrelevant, dubiously attributed sayings are no substitute for a sound argument.

[Princetonian]

120. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Broken record you are.

[lapucelle]

124. Grass roots activists for Biden say such interesting things.

[George II]

91. The conclusions in that opinion piece are preposterous.

[Princetonian]

98. The facts are the facts.

You may take exception to the reporter's conclusions but I do not.

[George II]

99. Throughout the piece the word "estimated" was liberally used. We don't "estimate" facts.

[Princetonian]

100. Scientists do it all the time.

You may send an email to the reporter. However, since his piece passed editorial review, I am not bothered, especially since not all votes may have been tallied by the date of the article.

[lapucelle]

106. The date of the article is June 20, 2016. It was written during the 2016 primaries.

It's about numbers of votes during primary races, not about percentages of voter turnout by demographic for the 2018 midterm.

[Princetonian]

109. I was addressing George II.

Read George II said. Your reply to my reply to George II is crossing wires, so to speak.

[George II]

111. Of course his piece passed editorial review, there's nothing wrong with it. It's his opinion....

....that is now being taken as fact.

[Princetonian]

113. I agree with the reporter and editor. And the vote arithmetic is not disputed.

That's all that matters to me.

[Gothmog]

92. Great post

I love when facts are used to support an arguments

[George II]

46. You're incorrect on several points:

Voter turnout in 2018 was higher than 2014 in every age demographic, with seniors (65+) still with the highest turnout of all groups. It's not attributable to BS, trump was more of a factor in getting the vote out. BS had very little to do with it.

The DLC ceased to exist in February 2011. Cory Booker didn't become Senator until 2013. Before that he was just the Mayor of Newark.

[ehrnst]

48. Yep. Thanks for pointing those out as well. (nt)

[Princetonian]

71. I quoted ThinkProgress: "In 2018, the youth vote turned out, and voted for Democrats, in droves"

"The young were a decisive factor in the Democratic wave."
https://thinkprogress.org/in-2018-the-young-turned-out-went-democrat-22e194bc1255/

Exactly what I said.

[George II]

82. I don't know the statistical definition of "droves", but all age groups were up and 18-29.....

....was the lowest turnout age group.

[Princetonian]

84. USA Today, 9/5/19: "Early and absentee voting: Youth vote surges in hotly contested races"

For decades, older voters have dominated the electorate in non-presidential years. But early and absentee voting among youth aged 18 to 29 has increased dramatically in several states with hotly contested races – including Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Nevada and Texas – compared to the 2014 midterm races.

Early youth voting in Illinois is up 144 percent over the 2014 midterms...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/05/midterm-election-early-voting-absentee-ballot-youth-vote-republican-democrat/1892285002/

[Hortensis]

61. Princetonian, this wishful fairy tale is contradicted by all studies. Sorry,

but a large reason for the Republican disaster in 2016 was that young voters did NOT turn out in the numbers hoped for. Yes, more voted but overall they still tragically undervoted. Your potential Sanders supporters, real or imagined, were mostly sitting on their fingers taking selfies on election day. If they and other young nonvoters had stood for what was right against evil, everything would have been different.

So they learn something by frequently bitter experience, and we just hope most are listening to truthful interpretations of what that was. Half are naturally conservative, of course.

[Princetonian]

72. I never mentioned 2016 which was a corrupted election, thanks to Putin.

Read what I said. Sheesh.

[Hortensis]

75. 2018?! But Sanders' failure to be a real factor

in the midterms was widely reported. I just assumed you were referring back to his 2016 glory days when his failure to inspire and bring out younger generations in the numbers he claimed was being hidden by most media. Not all, though...

[Princetonian]

77. "Bernie Sanders Believes the 2018 Midterms Are a Chance for Young Voters to "Transform America"

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/bernie-sanders-2018-midterms-chance-for-young-voters-to-transform-america

[Hortensis]

79. And they were. Let's leave it with agreeing with your title.

[Cha]

65. Oh please.. BS didn't even believe

there was going to be a BLUEWAVE.. Well, he was Wrong and it was Mostly Moderates who gave us our Democratic House Victory.

“Bernie Sanders casts doubt on blue wave
I know a lot of people talk about this blue wave and all that stuff, but I don’t believe it,” Sanders told Hill.TV's “Rising” co-host Krystal Ball during an interview that aired on Monday.

Sanders said he believes that the outcome from Nov. 6 will be a “very, very close” situation and predicts that only a “handful of votes” will determine whether Democrats are able to regain control of the House or Senate.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/412535-sanders-casts-doubt-on-blue-wave

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287208864#post45

[Princetonian]

73. Why are you ragging on Bernie again? I never mentioned what he believed.

Think Progress happens to agree with me. If you disagree, take it up with them:
https://thinkprogress.org/in-2018-the-young-turned-out-went-democrat-22e194bc1255/

[Cha]

74. ".. ragging.." All you have is a personal insult.

[Princetonian]

76. Says the person who questioned my allegiance to Biden....

Oh, here is a fact:

Bernie Sanders Believes the 2018 Midterms Are a Chance for Young Voters to "Transform America"
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/bernie-sanders-2018-midterms-chance-for-young-voters-to-transform-america

[Cha]

78. Yeah, 'cause you were bashing him.

[Princetonian]

80. lol...puhleeeze. Quote me. Provide a link.

I have never been fond of cults of personality. My support for Biden included spending my birthday volunteering for over 12 hours at his kickoff rally in Philly. Joe would be the first to support my American right to voice my opinion without being branded by an anonymous blogger as somehow unfit.

[Me.]

93. How Unique

a Biden supporter who doesn't mind if BS 'rags' on Biden.

[silentEcho]

95. Lol.

[Cha]

119. I know.. how quaint.

[Me.]

122. ...

[ehrnst]

117. Oh my...

Thinkprogress consults with you prior to publication?

[still_one]

85. Like those Jill Stein supporters who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016

encouraged others to do likewise, and now work for the Sanders campaign

Sure thing

[Me.]

101. Including Vice Pres Material Nina Turner

[ehrnst]

118. .....

[Me.]

121. Makes Me Giggle Every Time

Can you just imagine?

[honest.abe]

44. Ryan Grim's comment is dumb.

Warren has never been a "sworn enemy" to any Democrats. She has created her own success with her well thought out ideas and proposals to improve this country.

[ehrnst]

47. Yep. What an ass. I would expect as much from a YT

"journalist."

[R B Garr]

57. K&R!

Thanks for posting this great news.

[oasis]

102. Influencial "Democrats" who failed to put in an all out effort

into the 2016 defeat of Donald Trump will never get an ounce of sympathy from me. The damage to our nation has been too wide and deep.

[ehrnst]

123. Especially after today. (nt)