Finley: In Detroit, it's Biden vs. everybody....🎨😎

[Iamaartist]

"The central question is can he turn his record into an asset?" says pollster Richard Czuba of the Glengariff Group. "Do we see the old Joe Biden in Detroit, the one who was prepared and feisty and charming on the stage?"

Democratic strategist Howard Edelson attributes Biden's lead to his being a moderate, and that he's prepared to be president on Day One. In Detroit, he says, "Biden has to demonstrate he has the energy and fight in him. And he can’t be pulled too far to the left. That’s why he’s staking out an important position on health care, saying let's fix Obamacare, while the rest of the candidates are saying Medicare for all."

Edelson and Czuba agree that Biden owns the moderate space in the Democratic race, and there's no room for another candidate to compete there.

"A lot of candidates are working the left side of the party," Czuba says. "That helps Biden. They’re leaving him with the more moderate and older voters, who are going to decide the nomination."



https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2019/07/28/finley-detroit-its-biden-vseverybody/1836508001/




Go Joe My Home State of Mich...you can do it....

No debate is going to change my mind.....

[George II]

1. He's the only candidate who actually has a decades-long record of accomplishments.

[Iamaartist]

2. Agree.😎

He is the only one I trust to get our country on the right track, besides the foreign mess we are in... its more then just domestic problems....

[musicman65]

3. As we should know

by now,going into the race,as it stands,Joe,is really the only one that can bring us together and stop the madness coming from the white house.
We must get serious boys and girls,there is too much at stake to look in another direction,in a leader
oh yes we can......

?t=44

[Iamaartist]

5. Love it....Keep on rocking....Paul perfect song...🎸🎵

[highplainsdem]

4. "The way to weaken Biden is death by 1,000 cuts." That's apparently the advice from pollster

Czuba to Biden's rivals.

Great advice, if we want to lose by having our front-runner -- the only Democratic candidate who regularly beats Trump by enough points to be outsdie the margin of error -- to be damaged by rivals polling in the singe digits or barely above.

Yep, that'll help us a lot in the GE...

[Iamaartist]

6. They will never be able to damage him...my opinion....debates dont change my mind...

I know who I want....in 2020....from day one....

[highplainsdem]

8. His rivals' attacks on him will come back in campaign ads from Trump and the RNC, though, as a way

to try to suppress the Democratic vote if Biden is our nominee.

And it's obvious from the polls that Biden is the one they're far and away the most worried about.

[Vegas Roller]

7. The ultra-left is a minority

A vast majority of Democrats are centrist.

Biden knows this to the chagrin of some - but they should have known that since the last election.

A centrist progressive is the way to go.

[highplainsdem]

9. +1,000,000

[Iamaartist]

10. more moderate and older voters will vote for Joe in 2020

[Autumn]

32. That's parody, so say those who are in the know. I didn't get it either,

but I do now.

[Autumn]

14. Interesting phrase. We had a former poster who coined the term "third way progressive"

"Most centrists are against any big political shifts — either to the left or to the right." "A progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change"

[Vegas Roller]

15. From what I have heard

That former poster was a Republican planted here to sow discord.

But one of the founders of JPR should know

[Autumn]

16. No. She was a well respected member here, a big Hillary supporter.

Did not like Bernie at all.

[betsuni]

18. She was a Bernie supporter, then things happened and she was not.

Not a big Hillary supporter, not at all. Anyone interested can use the site search, type in "third way progressive." It's funny.

[Autumn]

19. No she was never a Bernie supporter. nt

[betsuni]

20. Yes she was.

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[Autumn]

31. True, she didn't like Hillary either.

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As her later revealed messages to several people proved. So to cap it off she was a Bernie supporter, she was a Hillary supporter. She sent messages saying she only pretended to support Hillary and she would have done the same for Bernie except people were mean to her.

There's a word for that, probably more than one.

[mcar]

21. She started out as a big Bernie supporter

Then, when she got constantly slammed for daring to try to discuss Bernie's problems dealing with racial issues, she took a look at HRC and found that her antipathy toward her was unjust.

She was a good DUer who often had thoughtful posts, and sometimes pushed the envelope. I enjoy her on Twitter.

[Autumn]

22. We will disagree on this. She pretended, as all the messages she sent proved. No point in

arguing a banned troll. Glad you enjoy her on Twitter.

[betsuni]

23. Wrong.

She was a Bernie supporter.

[Autumn]

24. Have it your way. She did coin an interesting phrase.

"Centrist progressive" is an interesting phrase. There is quite a difference between centrists and progressive. Not sure how they can be one thing. That was why I posted. Was hoping to get an explanation of how they are from the poster, not discuss a banned troll.

"Most centrists are against any big political shifts — either to the left or to the right." "A progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change"

[betsuni]

26. "Centrist progressive" was a joke, of course.

Bravenak was a Bernie supporter until she was not, not a fan of Hillary Clinton, a Democrat. Not a troll. How can a Democrat be a troll on Democratic Underground? No possible. Of course.

[Autumn]

27. The poster I responded to didn't make it seem like it was a joke. Usually there is a hint

or something. I was curious about how a centrist and a progressive can be one and the same. That was all they had to say. But if you speak for her I guess I can laugh at her "joke" too.

Vegas Roller (444 posts)

7. The ultra-left is a minority

A vast majority of Democrats are centrist.

Biden knows this to the chagrin of some - but they should have known that since the last election.

A centrist progressive is the way to go.

[betsuni]

28. Parody is difficult for some people to understand.

[Autumn]

29. Well I guess you would know

the facts.

[mcar]

25. She's not banned, she's FFR.

[sheshe2]

45. Pretty sure that Vegas Roller is referring to Manny.

He along with Marym founded JPR. Manny was a GOPer and told posters to vote for anyone but Hillary. As for Marym, she was the one that told JPR members that they were free to call Hill the 'C' word, as long as they weren't disrespectful and call other members that.

[NYMinute]

17. It's a democracy (loosely stated) -

I know it is a republic before correction police take over; but ..

In a democracy, 15% cannot dictate terms to the other 85%

The 15% have to work towards getting to 51% but that is not going to happen by 2020.

[Cary]

33. Most people, including myself, don't appreciate the labels

How about someone who doesn't agree with you 100% but nevertheless has sufficient commonality to form a coalition to defeat Nazis? Has that concept ever crossed your mind?

Do not desperate times call for desperate measures?

[Autumn]

34. It might cross your mind to read the whole sub thread. You probably missed it in your rush to

accuse me of making labels, but I didn't make the labels, I commented on them. The one label came from a flagged troll and the other came from another poster.

[Cary]

36. If it crossed your mind that we need a coalition, not labels...

Then why would you not simply agree?

Occams Razor. You don't agree because you don't want to agree.

[Autumn]

37. OFFS. Tell you what Cary, you go agree with the two phrases "centrist progressive" and

"third way progressive". Which another poster says "is a joke, of course," and neither are actual things that have anything to do with a coalition and I'll concentrate on stuff that actually makes sense.

[Cary]

38. I leave insipid ego games to you

My point stands unrebutted. I didn't expect a thoughtful response but I thank you for being so predictable and continuing to provide a perfect example of how Democrats should not be: defensive and divisive. I am not perfect, by any measure, but I do a decent job of getting to the point and sticking to it. Thanks to you and a number of other posters I am also getting better at dealing with evasion.

I repeat, if you agreed with my point that most of us could not care less about your labels and that most of us want to defeat Nazis, you could have simply agreed. But you chose to deflect and get defensive. Now you mock.

You make my point. I have no hope of reaching you, but I suggest to my fellow Democrats that this kind of thing is exactly what we don't want and exactly what we don't need.

Thank you for illustrating my point so well.

[Autumn]

39. Again. Not my fucking labels.. I didn't make up those labels you find offensive,

Talk about ego games. Where did I even fucking respond to anyone fighting? Nazis, how Democrats should be or anything else in your rant? I responded to this post and you are talking about MY labels, you fighting Nazis and all kind of other nonsense. You aren't arguing anything I said. You are just spewing vitriol at me.

You are ranting about what I never posted. Way to make a point.

This I responded to.

Vegas Roller (451 posts)

7. The ultra-left is a minority

A vast majority of Democrats are centrist.

Biden knows this to the chagrin of some - but they should have known that since the last election.

A centrist progressive is the way to go.

With this post that set you off

Autumn (35,343 posts)

14. Interesting phrase. We had a former poster who coined the term "third way progressive"

"Most centrists are against any big political shifts — either to the left or to the right." "A progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change"

[Cary]

40. Good grief Autumn

Now you're gaslighting.

smh

[Autumn]

41. Complete nonsense. Everything you have posted in your rants at me has nothing

NOTHING to do with anything I posted. NOTHING, nothing, NOTHING . If you think responding to your rants that have NOTHING to do what I posted is gaslighting...

I responded to this

Vegas Roller (451 posts)

7. The ultra-left is a minority

A vast majority of Democrats are centrist.

Biden knows this to the chagrin of some - but they should have known that since the last election.

A centrist progressive is the way to go.

With this

Autumn (35,343 posts)

14. Interesting phrase. We had a former poster who coined the term "third way progressive"

"Most centrists are against any big political shifts — either to the left or to the right." "A progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change"

You respond to my post with this

Cary (10,470 posts)

33. Most people, including myself, don't appreciate the labels

How about someone who doesn't agree with you 100% but nevertheless has sufficient commonality to form a coalition to defeat Nazis? Has that concept ever crossed your mind?

Do not desperate times call for desperate measures?

I responded to you with this

Autumn (35,348 posts)

34. It might cross your mind to read the whole sub thread. You probably missed it in your rush to

accuse me of making labels, but I didn't make the labels, I commented on them. The one label came from a flagged troll and the other came from another poster.

From there you have none nothing but accuse me of whatever nonsense you think I'm guilty of.

Again. NOT MY LABELS. And for the last time, your rants have nothing, NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I posted.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287214015#post36

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287214015#post38

[Cary]

42. You think it is always all about you

(rolling eyeballs)

I am not going down your rabbit hole.

[Autumn]

43. All YOU did in every post to me was make it about me, my comments were on what someone posted.

Done here. Off to ignore.

[Cary]

44. I asked a simple question, Autumn. You deflected and evaded

No surprise there, although I would think at this point even you would appreciate the urgency.

Keep bashing Democrats Autumn. Don't evolve. Don't grow. It is more important to chase windmills than to defeat fascists.

(sarcasm)

[Cha]

11. Nice! Thank You Iamaartist!

[theaocp]

12. You all know Finley's work?

Look behind the curtain at conservatives bearing advice.

[Demit]

46. I do now, thanks. He calls himself " a Trump-weary conservative"

in disparaging the candidates in the first debate:

"As a Trump-weary conservative whose vote in 2020 will be up for grabs, I watched the first debate of the presidential campaign season looking for a place I might be comfortable placing it.

I didn’t see it on that Miami stage Wednesday night."


He's not anywhere near a liberal. He doesn't even identify as a centrist. Is he even a Democrat?

[theaocp]

47. Good lord, no.

He is a scumbag who opines for the conservative Detroit News rag. He should not be trusted whatsoever, but so long as he undermines the Democratic Party, he's happy.

[Peacetrain]

13. What some people do not know about VP Biden would fill a stadium...

He is a liberal, with a liberal agenda.. and the ability to push it through.. lots of people can talk the talk.. but few can walk the walk.. and VP Biden is one of those few..

[empedocles]

30. Dems hurting themselves as usual - SOS

Same Old Shit

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. K&R