Wow! The MSNBC "experts" are saying Biden won tonight!

[JoeOtterbein]

J. Alter with Joy just now. Uh?

Already????

[highplainsdem]

1. Jonathan Alter agrees with Matthew Yglesias:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287217708

[JoeOtterbein]

2. Nice of him to to agree with you. But to be honest, I don't know that writer. nt

[highplainsdem]

5. Well, you could look Yglesias up within seconds on Google. But since you didn't: He's written

for The Atlantic, American Prospect, ThinkProgress and Slate, and he cofounded Vox with Ezra Klein and is an editor and columnist there.

A Politico article a few years ago listed him as one of the most influential journalists on the left, and he was listed between Matt Taibbi and Lawrence O'Donnell, and just a few spots below David Corn and Robert Reich:

https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/04/twitters-most-influential-political-journalists-205510

[JoeOtterbein]

6. We need to make a case for our issues. Not just tell someone to read something by someone else.

Please?

[highplainsdem]

8. The case I was making is that Alter isn't the only expert who felt Biden won tonight's debate.

And it isn't just MSNBC. Which has not shown any favoritism toward Biden. I've posted here before about what Chris Hayes and Joy Reid in particular have said about him.

But Chris Hayes, despite being a Sanders supporter, pretty much agreed with what Yglesias was saying.

Tonight's debate really wasn't a victory for Warren and Sanders because they weren't facing their real rival, Biden.

[kstewart33]

11. Yep. Biden should be pleased with last night's debate.

The centrists aren't scoring well, and most polls still show Biden's huge lead on who's most electable.

[SouthernProgressive]

23. Isn't your whole op about what someone else said?

And void of any discussion of issues?

[JoeOtterbein]

26. Agreed. Who cares what the media Biden boys say...

...let Joe prove he is up to defeating Trump tonight.

[SouthernProgressive]

31. Media "Biden boys"

Trump also rails against the "left wing" media.

Thanks for at least agreeing that you did exactly that which you decried.

[LanternWaste]

33. So you're suggesting everyone refrain from what you're in fact, doing yourself?

Doing so is an accurate illustration of 'holding oneself to a lower standard than they hold others to..."

[BeyondGeography]

3. I'd be pretty surprised if they're saying it tomorrow

This debate lasted about 2.5 hours. I’ll believe Biden can handle that when I see it.

[JoeOtterbein]

7. + 10000 nt

[Demsrule86]

17. He handled it multiple times...and I really didn't think EW did much good for

her candidacy last night.

[treestar]

24. you've already put yourself into a place where

your analysis of that is colored by your desires. I'm sure you 'll be able to find some reason to say he "couldn't handle it."

Harris' schtick didn't work, as she is no better off, in spite of the pundits trying to make her happen. She did not "surge" ahead of Biden.

Thus this is all smoke and mirrors and nothing dramatic will happen as a result of this second debate amongst 20 candidates. This is just for entertainment and pundit bloviating.

[BeyondGeography]

25. You obviously haven't seen his Marshalltown IA speech where he ran out of gas

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/07/25/posts-theater-critic-is-reviewing-performances-democratic-candidates-this-installment-joe-biden-is-back-an-encore/?utm_term=.b2600d6c2a34

It was a long day, granted. But tonight will be a long night.

[greyl]

4. So, would "One single "expert"" be more accurate? nt

[Gothmog]

9. I agree that Biden won tonight

Link to tweet

[aidbo]

20. hmm. Why did you pick this tweet to put in your comment?

The person responsible for this tweet a very conservative web site designer.

He has a link to his company on his twitter profile regalbluemedia.com
From his ‘about me page’:

Collier was instrumental in #DONTGO, the immediate precursor to the Tea Party movement. #DONTGO was an online mobilization portal and, in its day, the most effective such in the center right. Collier played a key role in supporting efforts to organize the very first TEA PARTY events. His mobilization, rapid response teams, and developing pop-up web properties materially added to the Tea Party’s original influence and whose reach extended to effecting White House action.

Collier was the chief community manager for Team Sarah, a social network recognized as the most successful (1 million page views a month) conservative white label political social network of the 2008 presidential election cycle. Collier devised and implemented the moderation and mobilization standards and was in charge of neutralizing attacks by political adversaries (“trolls”).

Collier co-founded the Freedomist which led to the creation of a digital newspaper, The Tioga Freedomist. Under his management this drew over 1 million page views a month, becoming the, dominant news source for its county and environs The Drudge Report, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh referenced some of the original Freedomist’s news stories. Collier recently resumed an active role for Freedomist.com.

http://regalbluemedia.com/my-portfolio/

I know that the article he’s referencing is from politico, so why didn’t you just use a link to the article? Instead you used a tweet from a conservative media guy who goes on FOX and is followed by Hannity, Limbaugh, and Drudge.

Strange thing to do to support one’s candidate on a democratic site.

[Skid Rogue]

10. If no one stole the stage tonight,

then the front runner wins. That's how it works.

[Gothmog]

12. The expert are making this claim because Biden did win last night

I agree with this analysis https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/31/dem-debate-gop-strategists-roundup-227491?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Joe Biden won this debate. The candidates on stage really went after each other tonight and in ways that highlighted how extreme some of their views are. The moderates on stage, who have no chance of winning, spent their time highlighting how far left and unelectable Warren and Sanders are. They were doing Biden’s work for him and he didn’t even get his hands dirty.

[JoeOtterbein]

13. The article also says Trump won the debate. nt

[highplainsdem]

14. That isn't a single article, really, but a compilation of opinions. The "Trump won" opinion was

from someone else.

[Gothmog]

15. If sanders is the nominee, then trump will win 45+ states

[hurl]

16. Repeating RW talking points is not Biden's work

The GOP's propaganda machine is non-stop pushing "how far left and unelectable" Democrats are. Those moderates are not doing Biden's work. They're doing Fox News' work.

[Demsrule86]

18. The GOP has nothing to do with this. The left refuses to understand that some of their positions

are not popular...MFA with workplace insurance gone, Reparations, Basic income, a health care plan for undocumented people, making border crossing legal...the list goes on and on. The positions won't help us win a general and beat Trump.

[hurl]

28. It's about framing and unity

In that case, the better way to handle a debate while promoting unity is to explain why your proposals are better or might be more popular. Adopting rw labeling of "far left" and "extreme" are not that. They are pure rw talking points and a clear attempt to spread disunity.

[Demsrule86]

34. See this is where I disagree...I don't use the term RW...myself. But

I do not believe if only we framed unpopular positions better...we would sway people...I honestly find that somewhat condescending.

[hurl]

35. Makes sense

I think some our positions are unpopular due solely to being mis-framed by the GOP, not because they are inherently 'wrong' on some level. If we could do a better job of rejecting GOP framing and communicate on our own terms, the outcome might well be different.

[JoeOtterbein]

19. Yep! nt

[Skya Rhen]

21. +1,000,000

[aidbo]

22. That 'article' is written by 4 republican strategists. Why should we even consider their opinions?

People that worked for Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb!, and John Kasich.

[Raven123]

27. Do these folks watch only the first half of a football game?

[LakeArenal]

29. Joe still the most qualified. Majority likes that.

As do I.

[BeyondGeography]

30. Nothing drives Biden's numbers better than the absence of Biden

[stonecutter357]

32. good let's go Joe !