Democrats are going to keep letting the GOP decide who's too far left

[certainot]

Msnbc continues give time to what as well be Republican hacks.

On post-debate analysis Claire McKaskill basically just explained why medicare for all or government health care won’t fly — because she thought the feedback from teabagger constituents who have been hearing for 25 years that Canadians have to wait years for life-saving surgery and Brittish doctors can’t afford a car to get to work was legitimate, instead of coming out of the Republican think tanks via Rush Limbaugh’s ass.

This is really fucking stupid. Democrats continue to ignore the pile of shit under the living room rug because they would prefer to listen to music and assume a 20-1 coordinated talk radio monopoly dominating 40 sstates with 80 senators is a true free speech market representation of the desire Americans have for the lies and hate and ignorance that made Trump possible.

Ex senator Claire McCaskill is a good example. She lost her election because she believed the screamers on the phone and the idiots at the town halls and the buzz around the state was legitimate constituent concern about government taking over health care and millions of immigrants voting illegally and bringing disease. That was great for selling voter suppression too. They’re already starting another ebola scare like in 2014 and Trump can use it to announce a national emergency. And Democrats will have no clue.

She and many Democrats believe that crap because the left and the progressive organizations and media are really fucking stupid in ignoring Republican talk radio. Media and the Dem party don’t even poll for it. They can poll the same crap over and over but never poll for the effects of 1500 radio stations lying all day for 30 years without challenge, correction, fact checking. Many liberals believe the RW talking points that a 95% monopoly is an expression of market demand. Neither the Dem Party nor progressive organizations do anything to monitor, challenge, protest, or boycott the best tool Putin has, or the 88 universities that support hundreds of those stations.

That is really fucking stupid, especially since artificial intelligence makes it really easy, cheap, and fast to digitize what the major American blowhards are pumping out on a daily basis and finally apply actual American demand for global warming denial, racism, misogyny, more racism, and ignorance.

[YOHABLO]

1. McCaskill has always been a centrist Dem.in congress. I don't consider her a Progressive.

Many Democratic Representatives listen to the Right as a means of tailoring their message. They want to keep their job. I will say this: Missouri is more Red than Purple folks.

[certainot]

5. a major reason many red states are red is the talk radio monopoly that liberals ignore

we also ignore that 88+ universities support 260+ limbaugh stations. those stations are many of the loudest ones and if the left protested those unis advertisers would head for the hills and the rw radio messaging monopoly that constantly pushes the country at least 10 points right will fall apart.

much of that redness is people turning on the radio for politics because for many it's still the only free easy option for politics (along with traffic reports, weather, sports etc) when working driving or doing chores

[Demsrule86]

8. The numbers who listen to talk radio are way down, but the number of GOP elected (Senate especially)

is higher...we lost the conservadems and moderate Dems from red and purple states...and we absolutely have to win them back... and we won't do it with MFA and reparations. The midterms prove a moderate approach can win back sufficient numbers to hold majorities again...but it won't happen if the Democratic Party lurches left...and runs a anyone who can be perceived as far left.

[certainot]

11. the numbers are down? does it look like things are getting better?

most of those stations are the only free easy options for traffic weather sports etc while working driving and doing chores. limbaugh still is point man on 600 radio stations give or take a few. the damage they have done is long lasting and the russians will be able to piggyback it for years to come.

many of those conservadems and red states are casualties of ignoring rw radio. whether it's someone actually listening to the crap direct from team limbaugh/hannity or getting it second or third hand, ignoring it has been the biggest political mistake in history.

[Demsrule86]

12. The point is the numbers of folks who listen is down...right wing radio isn't doing well...

Fox news viewership is down also...that doesn't mean we start winning...we need to win hearts and minds and in the meantime field candidates who are moderate and can win.

[certainot]

16. fielding candidates who are moderate just because tens of millions of people

have been lied to about climate change, heath care, socialism, the economy, foreigners, brown people, planned parenthood, etc for 30 years is bad strategy based on ignorance of the rw talk radio monopoly and what it's done.

dems need to go on offense and destroy that russian fed propaganda operation before the politicans who worship limbo and his racism and stupidity get us all killed

[corbettkroehler]

2. I Liked Claire McC Until 2016

I had no problem with her support of Hillary in the 2016 presidential primary. However, she decided that such support required that she attack Bernie. That is something I won't forget. I now watch less MSNBC, especially Morning Joe, as a result.

Her line tonight that Bernie wrote a lot of bills that went nowhere ignored two YUGE facts:

1) He has led the fight for Medicare For All for a very long time and it passed the U.S. House; and

2) He advocated for a $15 minimum wage when people called it radical. Now, it has passed in multiple states and the U.S. House.

Those were HIS actions.

Ultimately, if Claire McC were that wise, she would still be in the Senate today.

[standingtall]

3. Post debate coverage by MSNBC was horrible

They ignored the political reality by trying to promote moderation. The reality is if we don't take back the senate even with a Democratic President republicans will not let us pass any legislation regardless of how moderate or liberal it is so we might as well propose big ideas. If we take back the senate republicans will still give us nothing unless we get rid of the filibuster and if we are going to make a move a like that than we might as well go as big as we possibly can. Would be a waste to repeal the filibuster just to try and push through moderate policies.

[Beartracks]

4. Go big or go home.

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[Demsrule86]

7. The reason we need moderation is to hold onto the house and win

the presidential election...imagine if Trump wins and get the house back...and it could happen if we run on unpopular leftist ideas.

[certainot]

10. many of those ideas are 'unpopular' because we let a few hundred kremlin and KKK-inspired

radio blowhards on 1500 radio stations tell 50 mil a week for 30 years that they are unpopular, unamerican, and so on.

[Demsrule86]

13. The why is not that important...perhaps some on the left could be persuaded to win

hearts and minds and take GOP seats instead of Democratic seats next time. We need to find a way to win that acknowledges the current circumstances...Howard Dean did a great job at that...50 state strategy.

[Demsrule86]

6. Claire lost because some Democrats didn't back her...those on the left...

and the AA community there as well...acted really ugly towards he...rAll the crying about her...well now there is a GOP Senator there who never votes with us and one more seat we need for a majority...without a big tent,we will never have a senate majority nor confirm any judges.

[certainot]

9. she believed all that bullshit about immigrant invasions. all dems had to do to straighten that out

was protest the university of missouri for broadcasting sports on 6 limbaugh stations. media and liberals would pay attention, the cons would scream murder, advertisers would head for the hills, some of those stations would change programming or offer balance, and she would get the message that most of that anti-immigrant crap might as well be coming out of limbaugh's ass.

and we wouldn't be in this mess

[Demsrule86]

14. Without Claire we would not have the ACA...and her constiuents believed this shit...

She needed to be able to vote with the GOP some of the time...now we have a senator who will never vote with us...and one less seat to form a majority.

[certainot]

15. i'm not saying i wouldn't have voted for her i'm saying the idiots and purists didn't

vote for her because she was acting rightward because she was catering to what everyone would see as coming out of limbaugh's ass if the left stopped ignoring RW radio. and from what she's saying now she actually believes some of that RW buzz is legitimate popular opinion instead of just magnified by those radio stations.

many in media and the democratic party have the same problem and it will continue until democrats and liberals stop ignoring talk radio - the biggest political mistake in history.

[BeckyDem]

17. Why anyone watches that cable junk is not something I can explain.

Its garbage.

[certainot]

18. imo it's the radio that's the problem. people who watch fox for politics generally can also

watch msnbc if they want - it a click away usually, or cnn, and they might not be ideal but it means fox is part of the the free speech spectrum.

rw radio is a well protected and subsidized 20-1 monopoly and liberals in big cities don't realize that in most parts of the country there are no free easy alts for politics while driving or working or doing chores. it is the only major medium like that, the only unique advantage the republicans have, and it should not be considered part of the free speech spectrum. the best offense dems can mount vs trump is to destroy the monopoly with boycotts and protests before the next election or putin and the cons will keep using it to destroy the planet and US democracy

[BeckyDem]

19. True, but don't under estimate msnbc. It is awful.

Thank you for the link.

[certainot]

20. watching it now. it is limited by the same shit that limits all corporate media, but less so

mostly related to what it doesn't or isn't allowed to show. and it's mainstream and available to most people so if you have a friend or relative finally shying away from the con bullshit on fox etc they can be sent to try msnbc

a lot of people depend on TV and it is there. people can still get amy goodman and thom hartmann for imnstance, but TV is a major medium