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Uncle Joe

(58,300 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:07 PM Jul 2019

The Democratic Debate Showed the Left Is Winning



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The night started out with an extended section on health-care policy. This set the stage for the rest of the night, as it quickly became obvious that it was Bernie and Liz against the world. The moderators recycled tired talking points against Medicare for All, hammering again and again that it would “raise middle-class taxes,” as if the electorate has some bizarre preference for giving their money to insurance companies rather than the government. John Delaney responded with what the centrists clearly believed to be their trump card — that Medicare for All would take away union health-care benefits.

Yet the fact that this is what centrists fell back on reveals just how weak their position is. Union density in the United States is just above 10 percent. The vast majority of the US workforce does not have a union health plan. The Republicans have had no small amount of success in the last decade stirring up resentment against well-compensated union workers. But Delaney and company seem to think that trumpeting the privileges union workers have while fighting against the expansion of those privileges to the rest of the workforce is the route to electability. Though people might not have heard of Delaney before the debate, by the end, few had any questions as to why he is struggling to crack 2 percent in the polls.

Sanders and Warren were merciless in their responses to this kind of disingenuousness. Warren pointed out, quite correctly, that scaremongering about taking people’s insurance away is a Republican talking point. Sanders went for the jugular. When Delaney bragged about having been a health-care executive, Sanders snapped, “Maybe you did that and made money off of health care, but our job is to run a nonprofit health-care system.” And after the umpteenth ridiculous question about taxes from the moderators, Sanders reminded the audience that “[the health-care industry] will be advertising [during the debate] with that talking point.”

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[But it also exposed something important about the debates. The debates, after all, are not run by the Democratic Party. They are put on by CNN. And CNN’s main concern is not generating the most substantive back-and-forth, or trying to ensure that the best candidate rises to the top. Its concern is maximizing ad revenue by pulling in as many viewers as possible. This, ultimately, is why viewers were treated to reality TV–style tricks to stoke conflict. And why a nonentity like John Delaney was gifted with speaking time and again — because the producers knew his dour centrism was the key to creating conflict onstage.

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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/democratic-debate-primary-2020-election-presidential-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-cnn

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The Democratic Debate Showed the Left Is Winning (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2019 OP
E Warren made the case for Democrats brilliantly. lapucelle Jul 2019 #1
+1 sheshe2 Jul 2019 #2
Correct. Yes. silentEcho Jul 2019 #5
Let's wait until votes cast Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #8
Not a single vote has been cast yet, but the Left is winning. elocs Jul 2019 #3
Warren is a solid Democrat. She is aligned with our other Democrats. silentEcho Jul 2019 #4
Consider the source. Jacobin. ehrnst Jul 2019 #15
this sentiment has been echoed since 1948. Wasn't true then... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #6
This! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #7
LBJ? crazytown Jul 2019 #11
why, yes. Yes LBJ wyldwolf Jul 2019 #12
Oh, those. ehrnst Jul 2019 #14
Winning what? Certainly not the general election...we could even lose the House if Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #9
Heard a snippet of David Jolley on Andrea Mitchell's DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #10
Jacobin: Such an authority on Democrats. ehrnst Jul 2019 #13
No matter who wins the primary, the left wins! GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #16
 

lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
1. E Warren made the case for Democrats brilliantly.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:15 PM
Jul 2019
"We are the Democrats. We are not about trying to take away health care from anyone."

as opposed to

"I'm a little bit tired of Democrats afraid of big ideas. Republicans are not afraid of big ideas".

This is why liberal Democrat Elizabeth Warren is winning.

Neither "We are the left" nor "Republicans are not afraid of big ideas" are winning messages for our party.


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Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
8. Let's wait until votes cast
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jul 2019

before declaring victory.

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elocs

(22,550 posts)
3. Not a single vote has been cast yet, but the Left is winning.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jul 2019

Right.

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silentEcho

(424 posts)
4. Warren is a solid Democrat. She is aligned with our other Democrats.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jul 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. Consider the source. Jacobin.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:08 PM
Jul 2019

Under the delusion that the GOP and Democrats are equally bad because Wall Street exists.

One of UJ's favorite sources of "analysis."

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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
6. this sentiment has been echoed since 1948. Wasn't true then...
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jul 2019

... and if by "the left" you mean Bernie Sanders-style, then it isn't true now.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
11. LBJ?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jul 2019

Civil Rights
Voting Rights
Medicare
Medicaid
'War on Poverty'
'Great Society'
Education Act
Public Broadcasting Act
Gun Control Act

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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
12. why, yes. Yes LBJ
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:55 PM
Jul 2019

NOT a Bernie Sanders-style Leftist.

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Demsrule86

(68,499 posts)
9. Winning what? Certainly not the general election...we could even lose the House if
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jul 2019

We run on MFA...as we have no way to make it happen...and it will cost jobs and end workplace insurance...as for the rest reparations, basic income, and make crossing the border not a crime...etc. We will lose in a landslide if any supporting those policies wins the primary...probably the house as well.

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DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
10. Heard a snippet of David Jolley on Andrea Mitchell's
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jul 2019

show today. I almost fell over when he said that the progressive agenda is where the country is headed and Dems should embrace it (or words to that effect).

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ehrnst

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13. Jacobin: Such an authority on Democrats.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jul 2019
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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. No matter who wins the primary, the left wins!
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:30 PM
Jul 2019

There is no Right Wing in our candidates.

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