(((((Debate continued ))))) nt

[littlemissmartypants]

[Indygram]

1. Gabbard came for blood

ouch

[littlemissmartypants]

4. She sure did. nt

[customerserviceguy]

8. And she got a few drops, at least. n/t

[Indygram]

23. This may be a first...we agree on something

I don't think Kamala has done well tonight at all. Her attempts at punches have really not landed and she got slapped hard. She also keeps going over her time, like WAY over. I think she may have one of the weakest showings of the night to be honest.

[customerserviceguy]

29. I didn't see any penalties

administered last night, or yet tonight, for flouting the rules. It's like the speed limit in New Jersey, merely a suggestion!

[Indygram]

43. I noticed that they didn't go to her for a comment for awhile, though

So maybe they are just skipping a turn without saying anything.

[customerserviceguy]

47. Hmm

subtle, yet effective.

[JI7]

16. what did she say ?

[Indygram]

28. She confronted her about going after people for marijuana and joking about using it on radio

And implied that she tried to hide/refrain from sharing evidence that proved death penalty prisoners were innocent. It was brutal.

[backtoblue]

2. Thanks!

[uponit7771]

3. Thank you Inslee !!! Can we get off what happened 90423 years ago !!!

[ecstatic]

15. +1000. nt

[demmiblue]

5. Bennet did well... a lot of applause. n/t

[demtenjeep]

6. Thank you

Inslee sure does seem like the most grown up in the room




Yang is smart

[Bradshaw3]

9. My impressions also

Yang is impressive. Would like to see him get a position in a Democratic administration. Inslee would make a great president.

[woodsprite]

81. What about head of the FCC? nt

[Bradshaw3]

84. Now that is a good idea n/t

[drray23]

7. Harris took some incoming fire

For her past actions as a prosecutor. She was not very effective in rebutting it.

[femmedem]

10. She didn't even try to rebut it. She deflected.

Unfortunately she just revealed that this is a major vulnerability.

[uponit7771]

11. I don't blame her, it doesn't disqualify her so why dwell on it. It's past crap that CNN wants to

... bring up for fireworks and twerking points.

The past crap isn't needed, all the candidates qualify as progressive enough

[UniteFightBack]

71. Gabbard brought it up, not CNN. Really sick of the pukes and dems media bashing right and

left. GETS ME FUCKING SICK.

[Demsrule86]

130. I think it disqualifies her...she won't have my vote in a primary-yes in a general. There

have been posts didn't about this...it is true...and she will have to address it.

[customerserviceguy]

12. Is there a T-shirt for that?

"I got my a$$ handed to me at a debate, and all I got was some tough shirt."

[VarryOn]

19. That's funny! Nt

[wysimdnwyg]

24. Yeah, tough night so far

Harris has taken a lot of fire for both her time as AG and for her healthcare plan. I’d like to see a big moment from her before this ends.

[hlthe2b]

52. Honestly, I don't think ANY of them have come out particularly well on health care questioning...

For the audience that doesn't have a clue what the specific differences are, I think this has been one of the weakest parts of this debate--for everyone.

[UniteFightBack]

75. Here people think Obamacare and the ACA are two different things but we'll bring the country along

on MFA. JESUS CHRIST.

[BootinUp]

83. Yeah they'll worry about that later, or too late I guess. Nt

[samnsara]

13. i cant watch :(

[littlemissmartypants]

21. Do you want a link?

Or you don't want to watch? I'm listening to CNN but here's a link if you want to watch

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/democratic-debate-july-31-2019/index.html

[Greywing]

14. I don't think CNN is conducting a debate ...

they promoting a fight among democrats. Highly disappointed in these tactics.

[ecstatic]

18. +1000. Total cringefest. nt

[elleng]

20. Right

[susanr516]

22. Me, too.

[uponit7771]

25. THIS !!!! CNN wants fireworks and twerking not differing ideas

[at140]

96. Kumbaya does not do much for ratings?

Vigorous debate with punches and counter-punches brings ratings.
Ratings brings in more money for the cable business.
CNN is a cable business after all!
I understand what they are doing, that does not mean I like it.

[emmaverybo]

17. Good job on white privilege for K. G.

[Politicub]

27. I agree. She speaks truth to power.

[uponit7771]

38. +1

[femmedem]

62. She's having a strong debate.

So are Yang and Inslee.

[littlemissmartypants]

26. Finally, climate change! nt

[femmedem]

30. Yang giving the best answer on climate change.

Ten years too late. Have to do everything possible, but we also need to recognize that we need to start moving people to higher ground. He sounds the most urgent.

Inslee getting passionate now. to both of them.

[customerserviceguy]

36. He did show his intelligence there

Rebuilding where climate change disaster has struck, in the same place, is asking for it to happen again.

[BlueTsunami2018]

31. Is 2030 not 10 years?

What the fuck was Inslee talking about? Joe said phased out by 2030.

[ancianita]

46. Fair point. But Inslee's right that his timeline on everything else is too slow.

[Politicub]

32. Clorox the Oval Office! Yes!

[elleng]

35. YES

[customerserviceguy]

40. Probably

got a contribution from Proctor & Gamble for the product placement.

[Ponietz]

33. Yang--sobering admonition about the need to move to higher ground

[emmaverybo]

61. A great idea, but no matter how much money you have, in many areas there's no higher

ground to go to.

[IcyPeas]

34. So, Kirsten Gillibrand starts every answer with "So"

and bleach the oval office.

[drray23]

39. Well I agree with her on that point .😀😀

Clorox the oval office sounds like a good first step.

[drray23]

37. Harris is slowly fading.

She started ok but after gabbard shook her up, she is now a little weak. Her answer on climate change was just repeating what joe Biden had said. That is, re enter the paris accord. Etc..

[aaaaaa5a]

45. Harris is the big loser tonight. Nt

[Indygram]

55. I actually agree with this, and probably over both nights

I think this will leave a mark for sure.

[MFGsunny]

77. I fear that's right. She seemed rocked off balance when critiques went her way. n/t

[Indygram]

91. Better to find out now rather than later

If she doesn't stand up well to being attacked or confronted.

[ancianita]

41. INSLEE! His climate change critique of Biden on science isn't wrong.

Biden is good on ending fossil subsidies.

Inslee is right about only having TEN YEARS. AND internationally he'll have us BACK into the Paris Accords.

Yay, Harris supports Inslee! She repeats everything Inslee's for.

Gillibrand will lead (?) the world in the conversation, as if they need that. She likens herself with JFK and endorses the Green New Deal.

Gabbard doesn't endorse the GND b/c FOR HAWAII, it's "a way of life," and cites her "off fossil fuel" program. Not bad.

Booker: agrees with Inslee! Inslee's humor lightens things. "I joined in the Kyoto accords, and rejoining the Paris accords is kindergarten cuz of course. US must lead! "

[uponit7771]

44. +1, Inslee is upping the game on climate change discussion and its good thing

[Goodheart]

48. Inslee has been my favorite tonight. His message is the MOST IMPORTANT.

[customerserviceguy]

50. Yes, if he's got a chance after today

then this debate stand is what's responsible for that.

[still_one]

65. I am not watching the debate, and not sure about his chances, but there is no one better on the

environment then him

[Evergreen Emerald]

49. Inslee for President

He is the grown up in the room.

[ancianita]

53. He killed it on claiming that he's the only one who cares about ending the filibuster. Powerful.

They've all got to pay attention to that reality no matter who becomes president.

[sprinkleeninow]

57. Yes 😍, and Cory 😍 for his running mate. Yum! n/t

[UniteFightBack]

78. Inslee will be our climate czar. nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

86. Like Inslee said, fixing the climate is all encompassing

It is not just about climate, but about the economy, security, and health of the country...and of the world. He sees the bigger picture, the totality of the situation.

[jcgoldie]

73. Inslee on point all night

Most impressive candidate on this night in my opinion.

[The empressof all]

80. Inslee terrifies the WA state right wing

Their goons come out in full force in all the local comment sections and Facebook groups.

He’s doing a great job here. I would love to see him in some capacity in the other WA. He is a smart cookie and just an all around nice guy

[ancianita]

105. Yep. They're from the Spokane/Idaho survivalist libertarian haters of Democrats corner of WA. I see

them, too. ALWAYS bitching about him on Facebook. I check to see that they're not fake accounts; if so, I report every last one of them.

He really is a nice guy. Still married to his high school sweetheart is kinda touching to me.

He walks the governor walk and chews national and foreign policy gum at the same time.

And stays nice about it.

[uponit7771]

42. The answers are more substantive now, none of that 23423 years ago shit

[Tekimoto4]

51. Are these questions causing the Republicans to lick their lips in gleeful expecation?

None of these candidates tonight were really looking qualified. Especially when CNN kept pissing me off with questions that caused the Dems to eat each other raw. (and not in a fun way) They need to start coming for TRUMP more!

[customerserviceguy]

54. If you can stomach it

watch Fox News tomorrow, they were having a lot of fun today with last night's debate.

[uponit7771]

60. +1, They're sounding more substantive now ...

[ancianita]

63. Nope. They'll start off with Palinesque's "hopey-changey" crap, but voters aren't buying anything

they say after the last three years of their asskissing of this horrible fakeprez.

What their back and forth shows is the fight this whole party can take to the general election debate. I'm impressed with the overall tenor of their willingness to out-fact, out-logic and out-mock Trump, whoever faces him.

[uponit7771]

67. +1

[DesertRat]

119. "None of these candidates tonight were really looking qualified"

Are you kidding? A potted plant is more qualified than DT. Welcome to DU, Tekimoto4

[Skittles]

128. LOLOL

they are *ALL* more qualified than Donald FUcking Trump

[marble falls]

145. Let alone the attacks on Barrack Obama. Real smart giving Donnie Two Scoops ...

talking points.

[gopiscrap]

146. welcome to DU

[littlemissmartypants]

56. Finally, some antidump talk. nt

[still_one]

59. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Politicub]

58. Yang is amazing tonight

[customerserviceguy]

64. He seems to be getting more talk time.

I wonder if there's a chart up yet somewhere?

[femmedem]

70. Yes on CNN's home page.

Biden 16 minutes
Harris 13
Booker 10
Inslee 8
Gillibrand 8
DiBlasio 7
Castro 7
Bennet 7
Yang 6

To the nearest minute.
Gabbard didn't load on my computer.
Yang having a big impact for so little speaking time, IMO.

[customerserviceguy]

79. Thanks! n/t

[ancianita]

68. He IS impressive. I just don't think he's got enough governance experience or foreign policy chops.

Doesn't mean he can't learn, but voters are likely to think he's got way too much to learn.

Just sayin'.

He'll definitely get a place in a Democratic cabinet, where he'll help drive economic transition policies. That will be his strong point and do more good for the country.

We need to keep him around DC, no matter who wins.

[onetexan]

82. he should be a good cabinet pick, maybe dept. of interior?

[Ponietz]

66. Inslee, Yang, Booker are winning in my estimation

[ancianita]

72. Inslee, Yang, Biden for me.

[sprinkleeninow]

85. Now I'm Inslee, Booker, Yang. "Marry me!" 😊 n/t

[Bradshaw3]

93. I agree n/t

[IcyPeas]

69. how do the people of Flint, Michigan feel

when they hear politicians claiming we are the best country in the world?

[ancianita]

74. Right?

[uponit7771]

76. ******** TRUMP RAISED TAXES ON 11 MILLION PEOPLE !!! ********

[littlemissmartypants]

87. Talking time graphic

[ancianita]

109. Very cool, thanks! Seems like each said a LOT more this time. I'm so glad America's knowing them now

[stopbush]

88. Biden is doing much better tonight. Strong performance.

Kamala is having to face her time as a prosecutor, which was going to happen at some point.

Funny how the mods started off focussing on the leading candidates but have increasingly called on the others more frequently.

[customerserviceguy]

92. Wow, he really took Gillibrand down there!

[Ponietz]

90. Gillibrand stumbling on equal pay for women

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Throws haymaker at Biden, instead. Not constructive.

[elleng]

95. I don't think she was stumbling;

more like HE was/is.

[Ponietz]

101. She didn't state what she would do but attacked Biden instead

Biden isn’t doing well, either.

[brooklynite]

94. Gillibrand and Harris double team Biden on women's issues

[customerserviceguy]

97. I was surprised

to see that it was Harris, and not Gillibrand who brought up the Hyde Amendment.

[nolabear]

98. And twisting his words and positions.

Jesus. This is absurd.

[Demsrule86]

132. But he did fine...I don't think Harris or Gillibrand did themselves any good with this exchange.

[ancianita]

99. Castro credits Obama for current economy, to start off, goes on about health care and rent affordabi

bility.

Gabbard on China: "we stay competitive by pushing for fair trade," which she got from Bernie, sounding like Bernie; wouldn't keep a tariff on China in place b/c it hurts domestic farmers and manufacturers

Biden: I'd renegotiate the TPP; we have to rejoin with the 40% of Pacific nations we had trade with, and climate scientists sand environmentalists are there;

DeBlasio: to everyone: Trump tries to sell NAFTA 2.0; Mr JB, do you oppose a new NAFTA? From Biden: "Yes.
And I love your affection for me."

From Flint people: to Bennet: it's not just about trade but investing in this country; we've increased income inequality from the federal govt (NOT mentioning Trump!); always the "WE" who did the wrong stuff -- too weak with the wouldashouldacoulda put all on "WE."

To Yang about women: gender pay gap -- should we fine companies? Yang: I've seen it in tech world; think about women in every situation potentially vulnerable to abuse; give women econ freedom w/ a dividend of
monthly UBI;

Harris: in 2019, yes, I propose to rquire corps whether they pay equally or not on sites; corps will be fined 1% of previous yer's profits

Gillibrand: we have to have a broader conversation! To JB: voted against childcare in an OpEd b/c of responsibility avoidance to families and in general; what did he mean when he said that:

JB: it would have given people $100,000 the break but he wanted those making LESS to get the tax break and has his own kids and he can do force corps to do it; KG -- what did you mean?

JB: my wives worked, I wrote VAWA; you agreed that I did great things when we were at Syracuse, but now you don't seem to be running for president; I never believed what YOU say I said then

K Harris: on abortion & rape, have you changed your mind?
JB: Senator knows and everyone here knows and voted for the Hyde Amendment; once I wrote the legis,
I support a woman's right to choose, and will legislate support for Roe

Inslee: My state won the largest pay increase for teachers in nurses in the USA

This exchange on economic equity was good, I think.

[uponit7771]

100. **** STOP !!! ***** You're not going to disqualify each other by bringing up the past !!

[elleng]

103. But one's past decisions say something about a person.

[uponit7771]

107. Not if their current mindset has changed, I don't expect perfect. All of them qualify as progressive

... enough

[ancianita]

113. True. But what they all say is that "the past isn't THE single greatest reason not to vote for me."

[elleng]

118. Right

[femmedem]

102. Inslee doing great speaking about his record on women's issues

without getting into the mud.
I'm a little pissed that Tapper cut him off before he finished, seemingly long before his time should have been up. It's not like Inslee's been hogging air time.

[nolabear]

104. I might be wrong but I think Harris is losing ground.

Her attacks on Joe are based on partial truths and distortions. And she’s not taking the attacks on her own history well.

I was on the fence about her but I think she’s going to sink.

[MustLoveBeagles]

108. I'm surprised she's not doing better

Tulsi seemed to knock her off her game.

[IcyPeas]

112. not her best night, but it's early days yet, I remain undecided.

[ancianita]

121. It's not her best night because she went there AGAIN w/ Biden, so everyone reminded HER of her past

too.

She asked for it.

All she could say was, "I am very proud of my record" with no explanation of the situation they fairly described. She didn't acquit her problematic past very well. She still needs to.

I don't think her ignoring that explanation will make it go away.

If she doesn't, Trump will call her Killer Kamala with no facts, no attempt to listen to her.

Just sayin'.

[Demsrule86]

134. I dislike her so not sure if that is influencing me...but I thought she did badly tonight.

I would only vote for her in a general not a primary. She would not be good as VP...that DA and AG stuff will come back to haunt her as we saw tonight.

[MustLoveBeagles]

144. I don't dislike her

I don't dislike her but she didn't have a good night.

[evertonfc]

106. Tulsi

that girl is a firecracker. She might be an attractive VP candidate

[DesertRat]

110. "that girl". Woman. Welcome to DU

[customerserviceguy]

111. Calm and measured.

If Biden is nominated, no other woman running than Gabbard will get the nod.

[jcgoldie]

120. lol

There's no way Biden is going to pick Gabbard she's poison.

[customerserviceguy]

122. Well, he's not going to pick any of the ones

who have been attacking him, that's for sure.

[jcgoldie]

114. no thanks.

girl...attractive?

[jcgoldie]

116. Did de Blasio just say "Democrat Party"?

[MustLoveBeagles]

124. Really?

I missed that. Very disappointing.

[jcgoldie]

126. i dunno maybe I missed the "ic"

It was at the end when he was complaining that we were marching towards war with Iran and they wouldnt give him time to talk about it.

[MustLoveBeagles]

131. Okay

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

[ancianita]

127. She is. She's still got too narrow a range of experience and needs to learn more on governance.

She's also proven from past actions to be Republican lite, and is actually too sympathetic in relating to Russia, having visited there.

She has never once, though, said anything supportive of the other candidates or the party.

But her stage answers are serious, clear and forceful.

[ancianita]

129. Not by a long shot.

[femmedem]

115. Foreign policy: Inslee saying there's no primer; have to go on candidates judgement

pointing out he didn't vote for the Iraq war.

Biden regretting his vote.

Tulsi: we were lied to and betrayed. She enlisted after 911. Current President betraying us.

DiBlasio tries to cut in; gets shut down. Have to admit, he's not getting called on.

[customerserviceguy]

117. di Blasio

is getting his just desserts for his previous interruptions.

[femmedem]

125. Yes, maybe the moderators did impose a penalty without announcing it. n/t

[onetexan]

123. just tuned in on CNN's live stream, Darn good answer from Harris re: the Idiot's OoJ

Answers by Booker, Julian also seem united on impeachment & holding 45 accountable to his crimes.
Don't agree w/ Blasio & Bennet. "Walk & chew gum" good rebut by Castro. Really poked Bennet there

[littlemissmartypants]

133. I like Bennett. I wish he was stronger. nt

[customerserviceguy]

135. He's getting some good exposure

We haven't see the last of him.

[BeyondGeography]

136. Yang is a fine addition to the mix

[ancianita]

137. Rated their endings -- and I'm purely objective, as you can see (!?!?)

DeBlasio 7 -- class/job emphasis

Bennet 8 -- history/courage

Inslee 9 -- climate/future/website

Gillibrand 7 -- divider v. doer

Gabbard 7 -- warmonger patriotism v domestic patriotism

Castro 7 -- divisive v nat'l unity + destiny

Yang 8 -- reality TV America v reality of America (point for funny on the forward math)

Booker 8 -- cityunities/families/indivisibility v Trump divisiveness

Harris 7 -- I fight predators/ I'll prosecute Trump's rap sheet/ 3 am agenda

Biden 8 -- soul of America won't exist after 8 years/ WE choose science hope unity, and can do ANYthing

I gave an extra point for the unexpected, which included website, humor, passion and presidential demeanor

I could argue for age and looks but not this time.

Did I say I love DU?

[Ponietz]

140. 👍✌️

[Ponietz]

138. My subjective grades on closing statements:

De Blasio B tax the hell out of the rich
Bennet C already forgot what he said
Inslee B+ good on climate change (but it’s not just the petroleum/coal industry, Gov)
Gillibrand D she brought Congress together (???)
Gabbard B+ great on warmongers (didn’t mention climate change)
Castro C vague
Yang B reality television, free money!
Booker B common bonds
Harris A we have a predator in the White House, predators are cowards
Biden A battle for the soul of America

Overall, I think Inslee, Yang, and Booker carried the night.

[ancianita]

143. I think so, too.

[Politicub]

139. Biden did great. Grace under fire.

It was uncomfortable watching people pile-on. He held his own though!

[onetexan]

141. his closing statement was fabulous, and his opening statement superb

that is who a POTUS should be - knowledgeable, well spoken, dignified, compassionate, unifying.

[Beringia]

142. No one talked about the Russian cyber attack, only trump obstruction, wonder why