Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI'm not the only one to see Biden as 'weak, fumbling'
"From a climate perspective, whats worrying about Biden isnt just his hodge-podge climate proposals and promise to return to an Obama-era status quo on decarbonization. Its his consistently weak, fumbling performances that show how easy a target hed be for Donald Trump to pick off in the general election. We should be grateful that other candidates went after Biden. Hopefully theres more of that to come."
-Kate Aronoff: Climate disaster Joe Biden failed to impress
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/01/who-won-the-democrats-debate-our-panelists-verdict
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)I know he has overcome stuttering.
When he speaks slower, he doesnt stumble or mumble.
When he rushes, he does.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Write a book, go on a tour book, make speeches, enjoy the family, travel around the World, support your fellow Democrats. So much he can do besides run for President.
I fear that if those who support Biden think that Biden was mistreated last night, which he was not, they have not seen anything yet. I am convinced the republicans want Biden to be the nominee, he seems to be his best punching bag, and that "fear" the creature pretends to show about Biden is just bait for Democrats to elect him because the creature knows Biden is easy picking.
He fumbled big time last night and lets not forget that he was asked the first question and he immediately went after Harris, I guess he was holding some grudges from the first debate when Harris called him out.
Everyone, please listen to what Michael Moore had to say last night, he makes a lot of sense, and I am not a fan of Michael Moore but we have to accept that he was right the first time and he seems to be right this time as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)I simply wont disparage any of our candidates.
And I will fully support our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)And his best service to the Democratic party would be to step aside. I am not trying to be mean, I am expressing my thoughts on his candidacy, I am concerned that the republicans will crash him.
As I said, if he becomes the nominee he will have my vote, no doubt about it, but I prefer someone else, not only because I don't think he has what it takes to fight the creature, but I don't think his plan is progressive enough to move the country into a new era.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)If that's what the others need for them to win, then you are only proving you know they can't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)I think a lot of people are of the opinion that he's the "sure thing" against trump etc - based largely on name recognition and polling (circular logic).
He's certainly not progressive (at least compared to BS and EW) and I think without the "cover" of a zillion candidates he'll not be able to come across as a "strong" candidate than can withstand a direct assault and look (sorry) weak.
>>I am concerned that the republicans will crash him.
Agreed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFM008
(19,804 posts)Has been left out on the counter to long...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,036 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)if his life depended on it. He's not doing a damn thing to Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)I am kind of worried that Trump would be able to get under his skin in a debate. I am not worried Biden would completely lose it, but I am worried it could throw him off and make Biden prone to making mistakes.
Biden strikes me as someone who is naturally disposed to wearing his emotions on his sleeve. It can make you charismatic, but I think it also makes you susceptible to a bully like Trump if he can get to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)It was an improvement. Maybe all (or most) of the rust will be off come September. It doesn't help when the moderators allow and encourage a sustained dogpile about issues (1970s bussing again, for real???) that have jack shit to do with beating Donald Trump or putting this country back on the right track.
Hopefully a smaller stage and more effective moderation with give us something substantive to talk about after September's debate. In the age of Trump, I'm a little sick of our petty, venal, polipop media latching on to dumb shit.
In the meantime Biden will still lead the polls and still raise millions and people will forget that he had to spend all night parrying cheapshots aimed more at his and Obama's record than the snarling clown in the Oval Office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
metroins
(2,550 posts)The moderators didn't let Biden talk about things that matter. When busing came up again I said F You to the TV. It was 50 years ago, nobody cares.
Biden did ok, but he needs to get his inspiring charisma back. He needs to talk about his life and tragedies. I had forgotten his first wife and daughter died.
He needs to talk about curing cancer and getting people hopeful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)Joe can't win with these people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,376 posts)wear a person down.
For the most part, Joe was in command of the facts on the issues placed in front of him. He did fine.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wysimdnwyg
(2,231 posts)Yes, he had to fend off attacks from the other nine candidates as well as the three moderators (not to mention the hecklers in the audience), but whoever our nominee is will need this trial by fire practice before heading into any debate against Trump. Let's not forget that while Clinton was a clearly superior candidate in almost every way, Trump's ability to not only withstand or deflect her criticism, but turn it around on Clinton (admittedly in most cases through lies and distortions) helped Trump if not "win" those debates, at least not giving the impression that he's the complete moron many think him to be. If Joe is as incapable of withstanding this criticism, I would hate to see how he fares against Trump.
(For the record, Harris was one of my "losers" last night, so please don't mistake my preference as clouding my vision. When it comes down to it, I don't much care whether the Dems nominate Harris, Biden, or a five year old fruitcake. I'll be voting for our nominee in the general, period.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,376 posts)Joe will be able focus much better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wysimdnwyg
(2,231 posts)I'll concede that the format, with ten candidates on stage and fire coming from every direction, is challenging. And no doubt Biden improved dramatically on his performance in the first debate. However, there were still several unforced errors (like not being able to get his own donation site correct). He was better, but still has a lot of room to improve.
Also something to consider, the job of President does not allow the holder to always focus in on one task or problem at a time. If Biden has difficulty multitasking now, does that give weight to concerns about his age?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,376 posts)assistants. He'll be quite comfortable in the role chief executive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)The bar was so low for Biden that even his bad performance last night seems to be an improvement, but enough of his performance, that is not what bothers me about Biden, it is his vision for the future which is nothing but to keep the status quo. And as I have said many time, the republicans will eat him alive.
And just a reminder, he was the one who attacked first, he went after Harris when he had the privilege of being asked the 1st question.
I agree with you, I think Harris did very bad last night. Booker and Gabbard did the best. I am not a fan of Gabbard, but I have to recognize that she was eloquent, didn't miss a beat, and only once did she exceed her time, she was on message.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Trump's performance with Hillary during the debates had nothing to do with his performance.. His hate, lies and general ugliness..appealed to his supporters.. He had them in his pocket the day he rode down the escalator.. Nothing Hillary could have done to change the outcome..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wysimdnwyg
(2,231 posts)This is exactly what we can expect this time. I would argue that I believe our nominee CAN counter that during the debates with Trump, but it must be someone who is forceful enough to get their message through, while being respectful enough to show Trump's boorish behavior as what it is - lies and hate. It's not a terribly fine line, but I believe Hillary would have done better if she had been expecting it and planned appropriately. And I don't see how someone who is not capable of withstanding democratic talking points during the primary debates will suddenly be in a prime position to counter Trump should they get that far. (That's not a dig at Biden - it applies to all of the Dems.)
Of course you are free to disagree, and that's one of the many things that makes our party great. We can disagree and still work together towards a common goal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)The average voter does not pick a candidate based on debates!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,864 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Just mentioning since its one of your bigger concerns. Probably the weakest shot Ive seen at Biden. I was kidding with my comment. Im not that petty of a person.
Seems Biden did well. People with Harris as their choice are running around with their hair on fire.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...Biden was defensive and didn't show his best side.
Frowny, squinting, and defensive.
Nice smear of Harris supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)I did read that is why he wears sunglasses all the time, I too wear sunglasses all of the time even at dusk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)I didn't think of that!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Cha
(297,137 posts)talking about. Such insulting to be rude.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)Why not try that, instead of characterizing every criticism of Biden as ignorant and impolite?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)Why not write a substantive response? It would require more intellectual rigor than knee-jerk invective does, but I'd have more respect for it. It would also be more interesting to read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,137 posts)your "observations". Ha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Judging a person's whole experience on that basis isn't a fair consideration.
We can chew on the meaning of his style endlessly.
IMO, content and context of his record overrides any facial behaviors in an onstage context.
Wait for the polls to get a bigger snapshot.
You're entitled to your opinions. That said, what matters is what the public saw, not what any one of us saw.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ancianita
(36,023 posts)interpretation.
You add nothing to the OP's claim.
Your judgment of his appearance says way more about you than him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Does that make them as disqualifyingly 'vain' as well?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)My seven year old niece made the observation that two plus two equals five.
"Why not write a substantive reponse" to her observation? It would be interesting to read as well...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)so that his many endorsers and supporters will rethink their faith in him. Those of us who have followed his life of public service over decades, read his books, been inspired by his speeches, witnessed his superior qualifications on several fronts, just havent analyzed his hair, teeth, and face to read his character.
Once word gets out, polls showing him to be running ahead may change overnight. We need to become more petty and spiteful if we are to honestly evaluate Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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nolabear
(41,959 posts)Worn flattering colors! And high heels! Jewelry! Tailored suits! The VANITY!
Is this really what were going to do here?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)Flattering colors and all the rest of what you wrote are style choices, and don't have anything to do with authenticity. Authenticity is being comfortable in your own skin. When a Hollywood actor resorts to surgical procedures you understand it. An actor's livelihood depends on his looks. When a politicianespecially one who boasts of authenticitydoes it, you can't help but wonder why.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)anti-war just because I discovered they had both had some touch-ups before they went on television shows to promote their views.
We really dont know which of our heros or villains has had what enhancements or corrections.
Actually, some who havent perhaps should. At least a good hair stylist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,055 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)and if he hadn't done it you'd be talking about that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)More in keeping with his much ballyhooed authenticity. I'd admire it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)choice for President based on looks.. I might have to rethink this whole thing.
Some getting their giggles going after Biden's looks.. contemptible.
I wouldn't even think about trying to smear anyone else's candidate like that. Who does that, anyway?
Mahalo, oasis!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)he didn't have the advantage of false eyelashes, as some did.
But let's not go there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)When one cannot win on policy or substance, attack age or looks.
Desperate measures ........
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...he looked angry. I think that was his strategy, 'less polite' and all that malarkey.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Versus ... none of that, in a candid work-a-day photo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elocs
(22,566 posts)Even "hit me with your best shot, kid" would have been better but "bring it on" would have been great. But "go easy" implies weakness and infirmity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bloom
(11,635 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,137 posts)good advocate for your candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
metroins
(2,550 posts)That comment to me seemed innocent and made no impact on anything.
I think Harris even said as much in an interview afterwards.
Talking about that comment seems like a useless waste of time to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)I think attempts to read more into this "Bidenism" are really ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)more of a no hard feelings for last time, was not going to stop her from attacking him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)His experience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)By drawing attention to the bad bills he's championed over the years?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,137 posts)you still wind up with nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,513 posts)ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)White teeth...not just for the young anymore.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Really, saying go easy on me was meant to be taken seriously. Cha I can picture the twinkle in his eye when he said it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)OK.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)But now you say he was partly joking. How do you reconcile those two things? He was joking about his experience? He's otherwise very serious about his experience! I wonder which part he wants treated lightheartedly. Which part he wants people to go easy on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,247 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)his age.. Joe Biden has a lot of invaluable experience that he'll bring to the job.
That's one reason he's doing so well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)I haven't chosen my candidate yet, but age following the current situation is an asset. We will be recovering from someone who is 73 going on 4.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Truly ignorant.
Not really thoughts one would want to share with someone.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Climate advocacy groups out there.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)Hairplug Himmler loses any debate anytime with anyone.
The frail old man meme is not working.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the "Hairplug Himmler" mentioned is Trump, not a Democrat. (Just in case someone seriously misunderstood and got indignant... )
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)didn't think of that. It is one of the Ferret's phrases for the Orange Dotard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bloom
(11,635 posts)And I wasn't even looking for it - but there it is.
Biden repeatedly fumbled in response to basic challenges about his own positions, displaying more arrogance and bluster than competence or vision
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/01/joe-biden-noone-democratic-debate
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)He will still be the front runner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunasun
(21,646 posts)win . I hope most ignore debates and mixups but I could not . His closing was mixed up . I read it was suppose to be Text JOIN @30330 and his team had to scramble in case people did decifer and then change to Joe ,if true ,a double mess up.
A Pete B supporter immediately snatched Joe30330.com where many debate watchers listening would go
His Snapchat is a weird . Sure young people are interested but the stereotypical pandering is not what is wanted imo. Sanders got a whole lot of young voters without trying to be hep
Twitter versions , many, joe30330 are having fun with him and I know older people here will say Who cares? But social media now is important as a tool even if older folks do not use it . It could bring him some bad public eye if he doesnt get better
Tools take some thought and skill
You can use a hammer to pound in a nail or injure your thumb
I want to support him but I was like this last night
Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)There were a few good moments. Why anyone would enter that fray is beyond me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I truly cannot stand to watch Dems beating each other up. It is bad enough here.
I finally had a friend explain the 330 thing to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... in this thread. The hate is palpable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)....of a former senator and former vice president who is much admired and respected not only in this country but around the world for being well-groomed and caring about his appearance. That's something that I would expect from a trump supporter but disappointed and dismayed to hear it from any Democrat. They may not have found the bottom yet, but they are getting close to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)I want to beat Chump and Joe is the only one on that stage who can pull it off and step into the Oval Office knowing exactly what to do.
That's why he is ahead in every single poll that matters and will continue to be ahead.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I always look at previous articles and opinion pieces by the author. This person writes for the Intercept, and has written unfavorably about Biden and Obama in the past. When an opinion writer comes in with obvious previous negative thoughts I pretty much discount whatever they have to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,966 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,232 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)but I'm not the only one who thought he handled himself pretty well considering the other nine focused on him more than they did on Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pwb
(11,261 posts)We are Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,463 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)NONE of the other candidates come close to Joe Biden's appeal to the greatest number of voters. The other candidates can't sell themselves on their own merits, so they must resort to attacking Joe Biden, the established front runner, in an attempt to save their own failing campaigns. Joe Biden will be the victor and the Democratic candidate in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)In fact I thought Kamala was the one who looked uncomfortable. Like she wanted to break something.
Please everyone remember every single one of those candidates is order of magnitudes better than the traitor in the WH.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)the rest of BS supporters are with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)VP Biden won.. by sheer endurance and ability to come back..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(36,023 posts)what the public sees.
There's nothing that Trump could bring up about Biden's past that Biden couldn't match with truckloads of dirt on Trump.
ANY of our candidates could do the same. Any single one.
Trump doesn't have enough policy knowledge of climate change in his whole fatass carcass to pick off ANY of our candidates in a general election. Just how 45 talks about climate change is more weak and fumbling than any 80 year-old in their sleep.
For Aronoff to give the dirtier fighter more power and win potential, when only 19.5% of the country voted for this ratfucker, is to be a Trump chump.
The world has made it clear that it doesn't want another dirty fighter president from the U.S.
"Weak and fumbling." Can you give examples? Quotes, not interpretations?
The clearest way for you to see Biden is through the primary voting outcomes. It's not about what we see. This primary season is about what the voting public sees.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)He doesnt have the presence to go toe to toe with trump. If he is the nominee, we will lose.
I readily admit that Biden is far too conservative for my taste, but thats not the real problem. The real problem is that trump will pummel him and he wont be able to fight back effectively.
I will vote enthusiastically for the eventual nominee, but I desperately hope that the nominee will be someone who can win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)...it doesn't make you right, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
flamingdem
(39,313 posts).. just saying.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....climate proposal with details on how to fund it and how to implement it. Even the advocates for the "green new deal" admit that it won't even be written until at least early next year.
Of course Biden is leading in the polls so his is characterized as "hodge-podge".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)He's always been fumbling.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Link to tweet
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Nope, you aren't the only one. Seems the Paris Hilton of political discourse agrees with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,859 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jayfish
(10,039 posts)But I'm listening to (not watching) his presser now and he sounds like regular Joe Biden to me. He sounds a hell of a lot stronger and less fumbling than our current POTUS.
Sorry Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)His delivery is often somewhat rambling connections of sentence fragments. So I agree with the OP. That said, he was better last night than other times I've seen him recently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)When he called it down on Trump , he spoke to and for the American people, (everybody) . (And we are not going to leave it to you Trump.) In order to reach the soul of the nation ,as he says he wants to, it's all about everybody. If he can reach that far and down into it ,regards the soul of America, if the message resonates, the republican base will divide .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)I can't help but think it will be like seeing two septuagenarians rolling around on the floor punching each other. And, yes, this happened in a poll I was working one election. It wasn't pretty.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)Except for some Republicans willing to sell their soul to seize power, mothers tend to make the best climate advocates. I have no doubt that the Bay State's senior senator would be just that good.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided