New Map Shows Bernie's Massive Lead From Coast To Coast

[floppyboo]

NY Times data highlighted in this video.

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[4now]

1. I guess he won't be needing my vote then

[SouthernProgressive]

2. It's in the bag. The polls are all wrong. NT

[LuvNewcastle]

20. After what happened in 2016, I don't know what to believe anymore.

The polls leading up to election day seem to be quite a bit off when compared to the election results.

[SouthernProgressive]

22. The polls leading up to Election Day were pretty accurate. NT

[LuvNewcastle]

23. I didn't see many polls projecting Trump as the winner.

I think the election was a lot closer than expected.

[SouthernProgressive]

25. Most national polls were within the margin of error.

Most state polls were within the margin of error.

RCP had an average of Clinton +3.2 nationally.

Real results Clinton +2.1.

[still_one]

53. Hillary was leading in most polls by about 5 points before Comey released the letter to the

republicans 11 days before the election. The media then spent the next 2 to 3 days saying the email investigation had been reopened. That was a lie, and they marched every right wing hack across the media outlets reinforcing that lie

By the third day the 5 point lead completely vanished be the help of that lie, and the help of the media

Adding to that was the fact that their were people who are in high positions in the Sanders campaign who refused to vote for Hillary, and encouraged others to do likewise

It didn’t take much either

In everyone of those critical swing states Hillary lost by less than [%

Jill Stein received 1% in those stated

Add to that the Russian interference, this isn’t rocket science why Hillary lost the lead she had, and the polls reflected it

[Tiggeroshii]

35. The primary polls in Michigan were off by more than 25 points...

there were quite a few other discrepancies as well.

[SouthernProgressive]

36. They weren't running many polls in Michigan.

[Tiggeroshii]

38. Primaries

Actually they ran a ton


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_democratic_presidential_primary-5224.html

And it was more than 20 points* not 25 on average*

[SouthernProgressive]

39. I'm so sorry.

I edited my post as you were posting.

I was under the impression the poster was talking about the general the way they worded it. That is why you will see the numbers I used to the post you replied to.

[Tiggeroshii]

40. Ive been kinda doing the same.

I extend the same apologies

[SouthernProgressive]

41. I was referencing the general above.

The primary polls weren’t too bad. Some states are extremely difficult to poll for a primary.

Again, to anyone reading, I edited my post mid stream. Their reply is directly in context with my original unedited post.

[Tiggeroshii]

43. Totallly agree with you in terms of the general election

And because primary polls have a track record of inaccuracies due to polling difficulty, they should usually be taken with a grain of salt.

[Hortensis]

3. Sigh. I thought this was going to be a joke.

I can't even chuckle at appeals to stupidity and mindless partisanship when the same people who made the 2016 RW takeover happen are still at it.

But thanks at least for the smile, 4now.

[Amimnoch]

45. Heh. Still think it is myself. ;) -nt

[George II]

4. "Massive lead" in what?

[floppyboo]

5. watch the video. I don't have the transcript. nt

[floppyboo]

7. George, I found the print article for you

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html
Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont has a huge lead over other Democratic presidential candidates in the number of individual donors they have each accumulated so far.

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Mr. Sanders is relying heavily on small donors to power his campaign, and he entered the 2020 race with a huge network of online donors who supported his 2016 presidential bid. The map above shows the breadth of Mr. Sanders’s roster of donors across the United States.

A map that includes the rest of the Democratic field without Mr. Sanders offers a picture of where the other major candidates are picking up donors. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, the other leading progressive in the race, is outpacing the rest of the field across much of the country — a sign that her strategy of relying on grass-roots donors, and refraining from holding high-dollar fund-raisers, is working.

[wasupaloopa]

29. Doesn't he have the same people donating over and

over in small amounts to make this meme?

What good is a contrived statistic? It is meaningless!

[Tiggeroshii]

44. No.

[NurseJackie]

12. People can still only vote once, right?

This scene always gives me a chuckle...

[treestar]

58. lol!

those two learned math at Trump U.

[Thekaspervote]

16. Well.. it was obviously released by his campaign. I find the title of the OP misleadeding

Having said that I don’t think anyone doubts that he has a very large smaller donor and email base.

[George II]

18. Correct. We have no idea of how many unique contributors any candidate has since there are....

....large totals of contributions that are "unitemized".

Even the NY Times points that out at the bottom of the article:

Data includes individual donations reported by campaigns to the Federal Election Commission as well as those made through ActBlue, an online fund-raising platform that processes donations for Democratic candidates. These sources combined account for 94 percent of dollars donated to candidates by individuals. Information about donors giving $200 or less directly to a campaign is not available.

[FakeNoose]

6. A Russian troll farm made this

I ... can't ... even ...



It's everywhere and it will never leave.

[floppyboo]

8. Have you alerted the NYT's? They should know!

On the other hand, what is your source for the russian troll theory?

edit - or maybe i'm missing sarcasm? I know there are Sanders supporters sporting the Biden pic on this board. More trolls!!! too funny!

[dcbuckeye]

9. LOL. It turns out not to be a massive lead in the polls...

It is a massive lead in the number of individual donors. I don't think anybody argues with that.

[floppyboo]

10. donors AND reach.

Surprised how geographically concentrated the other candidates are. Not a good sign for EC victory - but its early still.

[dem4decades]

27. Do we want voters or donors?

Do we want 70 million voters or 25 million donors for the general election?

[onetexan]

56. Thread title needs to be corrected

[stonecutter357]

11. let's go Joe !

[evertonfc]

13. map

Whoa... Texas

[LAS14]

14. The thing that boggles my mind is how FEW Americans care enough...

... about their leadership to donate even $5. What's the total? Two million? Out of what? Two hunder and some million??

[Garrett78]

19. Most people couldn't name 3 candidates. Hell, most probably don't know there's an election next year

It would be hard to overstate the ignorance of the American people.

[Go Vols]

42. +1

[Everyman Jackal]

47. Joseph de Maistre

"Every nation gets the government it deserves." I don't know if that applies to every nation but it does apply to the US. If people don't want to take the time to understand what the people who are running for office are saying and don't fact check what they say and don't bother to vote yes they will get the government they deserve.

[Garrett78]

48. They don't just not know things about those seeking the nomination. They don't know...

...that there's a nomination process taking place. They don't know that there have been debates already. They don't know that voting begins in 6 months. Tens of millions of people couldn't name the VP. 12% (about 1 out of every 8 people) say they've never even heard of Mike Pence.

Never...even...heard...of...him.

[JI7]

49. some years ago i knew someone that was going to visit New Hampshire

i think to see Family. it was around the time of the primary campaigns and i mentioned how she would get to experience that up close and she had no idea what i was talking about.

[Garrett78]

52. Idiocracy is a live action documentary and we're all in it.

[SouthernProgressive]

34. This.

The numbers are even worse than you state. As one person I attribute for multiple individual contributors. I have donated to multiple candidates.

[Uncle Joe]

15. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread floppyboo.

[Gothmog]

17. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world

[comradebillyboy]

51. Too true...

[Tiggeroshii]

55. How much will you commit if the first is true and the second is not?

Couple hundred?

[Gothmog]

60. There are too many real Democrats who have good memories for sanders to be the nominee

There is no way for sanders to be the nominee there are far too many real Democrats who will not forgive or forget

[Tiggeroshii]

64. So.

How much will you pay if he is the nominee and wins the general? How confident, really, are you that he won't win anything? Will you put a wager on it?

[Gothmog]

65. Do you really believe that sanders will be the nominee?

If you want to support sanders, go ahead. Warren is already far ahead of sanders and is running a far smarter campaign

Link to tweet

I doubt that sanders will be the nominee and I am hoping that the sanders campaign continues the current trend of falling apart. I really have high hopes that we can keep sanders from disrupting the next convention. I was a delegate to the Philadelphia convention and saw how the process works. One key item is that under the rules, a candidate cannot be put into nomination without 300 delegates. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf

Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United
States in the following manner:

a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.

b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president. Pledged and automatic delegates may sign the petition.

I signed the petition for Clinton in 2016 to put her into nomination but we have over 170 Clinton supporters in the Texas delegation.

If sanders is frozen out of enough states due to the 15% rule and remaining non-Biden delegates are split among several candidates, there is a chance that sanders may not reach 300 threshold

In the mean time, I will continue working in the real world. Texas needs nine state house seats to flip control of the Texas house and be able to control the next regular session of the Texas legislature. I just gave to two candidates running for Texas legislature as well to some candidates for the six Texas Congressional districts that are being contested. I have also donated to four presidential candidates including Warren (my kids love her). The real world is a fun place and Texas will turn blue.

Time will tell. I would love to see sanders fail to get to the 300 delegate and be shut out from the next national convention. The recent polling results and the 15% rule give me some hope that this is possible and is far more probable compared to chances of sanders being the nominee.

[Tiggeroshii]

66. I think its up in the air

Im just curious how actually certain you are that he WONT be the nominee.

[mcar]

67. Do you really think this is a game?

How much you wanna bet? Huh? Huh?

[Tiggeroshii]

68. Ill be happy to see heads explode if and when he actually does become the nominee.

[Gothmog]

71. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world

Why do you want to risk four more years of trump?

[Tiggeroshii]

72. If biden is the nominee trump will win 45+ states

See? I can make completely baseless predictions too! Fact is Biden has never won an election for president -nor has he won any primaries even though he has tried twice. If anybody between the two of them has a track record of actually winning, it is sanders, who won 23 primaries in the 2016 election. Biden has lost over 100.

[Gothmog]

73. Not in the real world

I like living in the real world where electability matters

[Tiggeroshii]

74. Electability is based on whether they can get elected

Again Biden has never won a primary in his life. What makes you think he will again this time? So far the score in that realm is Bernie: 23/55, Biden: 0/110. He has some catching up to do in "the real world"

[Gothmog]

75. sanders is not going to be the nominee

There are too many real Democrats who have good memories. These real Democrats will not forget or forgive

[Tiggeroshii]

76. I will be elated...

If and when he gets the nomination.


In the meantime you might want to do something about that giant chip on your shoulder.

[Gothmog]

80. Time will tell

I think that it is just as likely that sanders campaign will fail to get the 300 delegates necessary to put sanders name in nomination at the national convention

[Tiggeroshii]

81. Yeah me too.

But to count out the guy who has been a front runner since the beginning as not having a chance whatsoever, to me, just seems a bit far fetched. He clearly has a shot. That doesn't mean he will win, but it is far better than either of us winning the lottery tomorrow -and even then we have somewhat of a shot of that happening (if you play).

[MrsCoffee]

83. The front runner from the beginning has been and remains Biden.

He was ahead before he even entered the race.

[Tiggeroshii]

84. "A front runner"

You are right

[Gothmog]

87. I do not consider sanders to be a front runner any longer

[Gothmog]

86. Here are some interesting numbers

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

88. From the Washington Post-The GOP is giddy about running against a socialist

Link to tweet

Republicans are downright giddy about all this. What’s a scarier term to the American public than “socialist”? And with one of the leaders in the Democratic Party embracing it, their pitch to voters that Democrats want to radically change the country to something unrecognizable just got a lot easier.

“You add up things like packing the Supreme Court, getting rid of the electoral college, the Green New Deal and Medicare for none and you have a prescription of turning America into something it never has been and never should be,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said recently. “So we intend to be on the offense in running our races."

“We’re going into the war with some socialists,” Trump told a fundraiser in April.

This could be the defining debate of the 2020 election. Trump is so happy with that. Sanders is fine with that. The rest of the candidates aren’t so sure. But given the way this debate is shaping up, they may have no choice but to pick a side.

[Garrett78]

21. And, yet, it's all over after New Hampshire for Sanders.

South Carolina and Super Tuesday are not going to go well for Sanders.

[wyldwolf]

24. Reminds me of Bernie posts from 2016

Bernie will win. One foot in front of the other, folks.

Wanna know how we already know that Bernie will win in California on Tuesday?

One thing I can guarantee when Bernie wins. I will not call Hillary supporters losers.

Hillary Tells CNN She Will Be The Democratic Nominee for President!!!! Bernie Sander's Response.

Hillary can't win the nomination before the convention

Bernie is going all the way

Clintonites are in a deep state of denial.

Bernie Sanders will still be the Democratic Nominee

Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates

So, when Hillary leaves the convention disappointed

[Tiggeroshii]

37. Nytimes is not the intercept

Nuff said

[wyldwolf]

59. No publication is except the intercept. So what's your point?

[pangaia]

26. i am not for or against sanders

but that map is too simplistic...

[NurseJackie]

32. Acres does not equal votes.

[highplainsdem]

28. Is this individual contributions, or total individual donors, which might be a much smaller number?

[wasupaloopa]

30. I read that Bernie donors donate over and over

in small amounts so he can say he has millions of donors and the average amount is small.

It is a meaningless statistic since it is contrived.

[highplainsdem]

31. I've read that, too, which is why I'd like info on donors rather than number of donations.

[SidDithers]

46. Yup, twenty-seven $1 donations from a single donor...nt

Sid

[JI7]

50. in another thread someone mentioned there were 800 donations from the same person

[SidDithers]

33. AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH....

Sid

[still_one]

54. Bernie math

[NurseJackie]

61. This always makes me chuckle...

[still_one]

62. ++++++++++

[TreasonousBastard]

57. I got to a minute and a half of this horseshit, and half of that was pouring coffee....

Does the raw number of contributors without any other data or information actually mean anything?

Maybe he explains later on how those bazillions of Bernie donors actually gave more than 2 bucks.

[floppyboo]

69. maybe read the NYT article instead? Link above.

And as someone else pointed out these are only 'maps' of $200+ donations.

[MineralMan]

63. Massive Lead, eh?

All that spinning makes me dizzy...

[floppyboo]

70. Does 'bigger than very large' work better for you?

This isn't spin. The other candidates have alot of work to do if the Dems are going to win the EC. edit: and that includes east coast Biden. O'Rourke - oh man, he's cleaning up Texas. Wish so bad he had run for a house seat and worked on getting his name out first. He may be a rising star but I seriously doubt he can rise nationally fast enough for 2020. Same with Pete. Good potential that may in the future be seen as tarnished.

[Blue_Tires]

77. Oh, I guess the primary is over and we can all go home...

If we actually nominated a candidate who isn't even a member of the fucking party, then what is the point of the party?

Sanders at least *pretended* to be a Dem in 2016, but he isn't now so why should he get any of my attention?

[MFM008]

78. Massive lead?

It shows Biden beating maggot by 13 points.
Thats an important number.

[democratisphere]

79. I love the stench of propaganda in the morning.

[MrsCoffee]

82. Lol.

Some people will believe anything.

[Vegas Roller]

85. Thank you so much

I needed a healthy, stomach-hurting laugh