Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI think Trump and the Republicans want to run against Biden
They think he's got baggage they can exploit, he's easily rattled, too "old-school" and would be easier to beat than some of the other less-predictable candidates.
I think they're wrong - Biden would be a much stronger candidate than they assume. And, as we've seen, it's a serious mistake to hope and pray for a particular candidate in certainty that they would be easier to beat. That's one of the reasons we have Trump as many Democrats thought it would be great to have him as the Republican nominee and didn't take him seriously as an opponent until it was much too late. Trump is likely seriously underestimating Biden.
But, that said, by all indications, Trump and his people are really hoping that they'll end up going against Biden because they think Trump can eat his lunch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)widest margins in almost all the polling of head-to=head matchups done to date.
I don't for a second believe they want to run against Biden. They're praying the less successful Democratic candidates will take him down, or at the very least provide them with endless quotes, sound bites and video clips to use against him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,970 posts)especially when some candidates don't even have comparable name recognition. If you forget the polls and just imagine the matchups, I could see where maybe the Trump campaign could see Biden as potentially easier to beat than some of the other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a lead for a significant period usually becomes the nominee. CHECK and CHECK for Biden for both points)
And note that no one else gets even one check, not good.
But it could change. It could also just swing around for a while and then stabilize.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Joe Biden will move forward and defeat drumpf regardless of what anybody says or does.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)I felt that Barack Obama was the most qualified Democrat to undo the bush mess and restore our standing in the world. I thought that even though early in the primary season I supported Hillary Clinton.
I felt the same way about Hillary Clinton in 2016 - she was the most qualified candidate to be President and continue the work that Obama started.
This (next) year I feel that Biden, despite some very minor flaws and not 100% agreement on all of his policies, is the best qualified candidate to do exactly what Obama did - undo the trump mess and restore our standing in the world.
Maybe more than even in 2008 we need someone who is experienced enough to can immediately step in and do the job.
This is looking forward too far, maybe, but I'd like to see him run with a female VP candidate, and after four years "turn it over" to whomever that VP is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
world wide wally
(21,734 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,610 posts)It will never happen. It would be foolish for Democrats to give up the huge and very well documented advantage of incumbency. The fact that Biden supporters continue to perpetuate this nonsensical premise says something about how they view their own candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Speaking of nonsensical premises, though, I have no choice but to disagree that "Biden supporters" keep saying they want a one-term Biden presidency. No.
As for StarfishSaver's nonsensical premise, no one believes that. Except perhaps those who believe wishing on stars erases reality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Biden's baggage is minimal compared to Trump. Anything they try and pin on him can be turned around on Trump times 100. And they can't exploit sexism like they did with Hillary or racism like they did with Obama.
Biden is leading Trump by double digits in many head to head match up polls. No matter what Trump says or how much he likes to bluster, I guarantee you that's making them very nervous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
snowybirdie
(5,219 posts)the anti Biden trend is working! Lots pile on more.......
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)The OP didnt put a lot of heart or imagination into their effort.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(35,925 posts)On Biden's worst exchange with Trump.
I believe Biden when he says he won't let the re-election of Trump happen.
Trump has given EVERY Democratic candidate all the ammunition they need to shoot him down with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)having it, and using it are two different things
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(35,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)Maybe not *quite*as much as we have *this* time, but it was pretty bloody obvious that Trump was/is corrupt, incompetent, probably racist (or at least comfortable with same), and utterly dishonest- and there was plenty of concrete documentation for all of those.
It was quite well known in 2016 that he was an adulterer, lied even when he didn't have to just to keep in practice, stiffed people who owed him money, and such a bad CEO that he even lost money running a casino.
That is, or *should have been* plenty of negative ammo 3 years ago.
Ammo isn't the issue, IMHO, it's attacking effectively, which means two things:
-getting out the people who will vote for our person
-convincing the people who voted for him last time to not do so.
As you point out, what we need, and have to have, is a candidate who will *USE* the ammo.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)except maybe Sanders because he thinks he can run on the scary socialist vibe there.
I think he thinks, rightly or wrongly, that it's going to be Biden, so that's who he is going after.
The moment he thinks, rightly or wrongly, that it's going to be someone else, he would go after that person the same.
He's not a man with a plan...he just...does...things.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Atticus
(15,124 posts)is a "two-fer": it insults Biden AND the black guy who 1.) chose Joe for VP, AND, 2.) publicly mocked Trump at that WH correspondents dinner.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Dough
(17,246 posts)Good post!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Auggie
(31,130 posts)not that anyone at DU would give a damn. Maybe I'll come back. If he's the Dem candidate of course I'll vote for him. I wonder how many millennials will? Independents? Fringe voters? Those who have given up hope? These are the people who will help beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,246 posts)Warren, Harris and Buttigieg are all viable candidates worthy of consideration, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Auggie
(31,130 posts)That means a lot. Really.
I'm disappointed in Biden's rhetoric. The speech he gave a few day ago, while being lauded among his supporters here, left me with a bad taste. I don't see him exciting millennials. Maybe moderate Republicans sick of Trump, but not millennials. It would be disasterous if they sat out or voted in protest again.
Onward!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,246 posts)His supporters swarm quickly and some will insinuate that you're a traitor for not pledging allegiance to Uncle Joe (did I write Uncle Joe? I'm going to hell now, Auggie).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Auggie
(31,130 posts)And that should tell you something about my age.
"And there's Uncle Joe, he's a-movin' kind of slow ..."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,246 posts)you might be reaching "old timer" status but I respect the fact that you're concerned about millennial voters. I think you're right, Biden won't resonate with many in the younger age demographic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)But good luck pulling that hat trick on a guy with a 40 year record.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,955 posts)Biden knows what hes doing though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,819 posts)Be careful what you wish for. If you recall, Republicans were all in for Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee because they didn't think he had a shot in hell. Rush Limbaugh and his Operation Chaos anyone?
So, keep on dreaming, Trumpsters. 2008 was a rout.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
world wide wally
(21,734 posts)Biden also brings a voice of authority along with his experience as VP and Senator.
He's a proven survivor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,288 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCantiGOP
(13,862 posts)before attacking it
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
secondwind
(16,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)It wasn't even close. She took him apart and cut him into shreds; and like some villain from a bad horror flick he didn't die then and there. Beating Trump in a debate is like beating a pigeon playing chess; it just knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board and then struts around like it won.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
andym
(5,442 posts)That has been there modus operandi since at least Nixon, who helped McGovern to win the Democratic nomination because he thought McGovern could be marginalized as out of touch with the mainstream of America, unlike Muskie. Gore, Dukakis, and Kerry lost because they were painted as elitists by the GOP. Dukakis was brought down by Lee Atwater's Willie Horton ads. Biden would be stronger than those who lost because he has the touch of the common man. The GOP won't be able to paint him as an extremist, or an elitist. His gaffes will actually help him with many citizens.
The further our candidate is from a traditional mainstream leader, the better the GOP will like him/her as an opponent.
That said, who the GOP would prefer as our candidate, really should be none of our concern. Democrats need to select a candidate who will win, heal the nation, AND change the nation's view as much as they can on social issues and on the positive role of government.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Biden isn't my first choice, but if he's the nominee, Katy bar the door while I help him defeat the POS from hell.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,544 posts)Especially Warren or Harris
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)If Harris coudn't take him out -- the most unkindest cut, so to speak -- Trump won't be able to either. And he's well aware of that fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden