Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJohn Dean says that pundits bashing Biden for gaffes are "nuts"
Link to tweet
Btw, Dean himself made a small gaffe there, typing "The kind" instead of "This kind." I didn't even notice the gaffe at first, didn't see it until I copied it here, because this sort of thing IS so common and we typically ignore it.
But Biden's being held to a different, impossibly high standard.
Dean's tweet about this already has several hundred retweets and thousands of likes, as well as hundreds of replies, including these:
@JohnWDean the media has learned nothing. Focusing on shit that does not matter and playing into trump's narrative. It needs to stop.
Joe Biden has more intelligence, class, empathy, etc than Trump could ever wish for. Media constantly putting Biden under a microscope. After that so-called gaff was made by Biden, the audience applauded, so I am assuming they agreed with him and not upset. Media hype.
Pundits are making the same mistake as 2016. They are dumping on Biden for one little thing or another as they dumped on Hillary day in and day out and let Trump get away with everything. I am sick of it. I'll vote for any Democrat except Tulsi and Marianne. #TRumpOut is the goal
Most of us, in a typical day, make a few gaffes of our own & have to correct them. Or we let them slide & move on. The political "Gotcha!" game already is working at subatomic levels for 2020. There will be much ado about nothing much that actually matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)That is experienced, ready, willing and able to do the job. Thank you John Dean
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,475 posts)But wouldn't Dean's wording be a typo and not a gaffe?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,731 posts)thread I posted about a Psychology Today article on slip-ups, I often start out typing the word I want and end up finishing it as a similar word, often one I type more often. That isn't a pure typo, which would just be hitting the wrong keys.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234236
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pamela
(3,469 posts)Magat: "Joe Biden said white people instead of rich people..."
Me: "Oh no! That's so much worse than fucking a porn star while your wife is still nursing your newborn baby, or mocking a disabled man, or thinking you can grab women by the pussy because you're famous or accepting a hostile foreign power's help with your election or sending "love letters" to a brutal Communist dictator or... "
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)Exactly. I'm so tried of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,418 posts)and putting babies in cages and deporting people for no reason and on and on and on....
But by all means, let's us so-called "smart people" wring our hands over our candidates' gaffes and piss away another election just because.
Sometimes I feel like the country is doomed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)Joe Biden simply misspoke. Big effing deal.
Everyone does this. EVERYONE. I don't care who you are. Back in 97 I was at my future FIL's farm petting one of his goats. I, for the life of me, couldn't remember what they were called and what came out of my mouth? Donkey! My husband STILL teases me about it loves to tell other people about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)is guilty of gaffes. The MSM is going out of their way to beat up Joe, I stopped watching MSNBC because they were attacking him constantly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)Read my posts and the responses: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=234518
No one is immune to this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)is not running for president.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hekate
(90,202 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(3,993 posts)by pundits and opponents of Biden.
Worry about the bigger issues of life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(80,700 posts)ESPECIALLY after the Epstein news this morning.
ESPECIALLY.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)we know it's trivial but they will weaponize it against him or any front runner, talk about it 24/7, that is what they do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
not fooled
(5,791 posts)This is nutzo. red don's incoherent speech clearly reveals he's insane, and yet many in the media attack Biden over minor verbal slip ups?????
Here we go....media greasing the skids again for red don.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Most media hosts make a mistake every time they open their mouth...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)in a live interview. His wife corrected Alisyn and said that he was her husband...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pamela
(3,469 posts)She can barely get a sentence out anymore without fucking up at least one word.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pacifist Patriot
(24,647 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,418 posts)I loathe the media. They think this is some kind of game. They have no soul.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lame54
(35,141 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)John Dean was just comparing how the media treats Democratic front runners as opposed to trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lame54
(35,141 posts)Are pointing out that it's unfair to point out his gaffes when Trump's are much worse
But Biden is not running against Trump
He is running against a dozen + dem candidates
His gaffes matter
And when those dems gaffe it will be pointed out as well
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lame54
(35,141 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But I'm sure pretending others are stating Biden has won the nomination is not a gaffe; as gaffes are accidental while your charge, lacking truth or evidence, is purposeful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mudstump
(342 posts)I think a democrat could come out and take a dump behind the podium and still impart more information than shit stains for brains in the White House.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)This is the voice of reason, and I hope those "pundits" are listening.
When do these same pundits talk about the gaffes that Chump makes - hundreds per day? When do they point out the lies Chump tells? Although they are starting to now, even Brian Williams is calling them lies. But it's happening about 3 years too late.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)It was John Dean not Howard Dean but I agree with spirit of your post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)It's no big deal. Everyone makes mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)Yes. Biden misspoke and quickly corrected his error. It happens. It's okay to discuss it, but let's not make a bigger deal of it than it actually is. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Martin Eden
(12,803 posts)A couple of small gaffes for Biden is cause for major concern, while Trump says or does stuff twenty times a day that would be a deal breaker for any Democratic candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)If they want to continue to do that, we know they're not allies, and are only weakening the nominee for the GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)is set on making this a horse race by trashing him at every opportunity
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BootinUp
(46,928 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Link to tweet
As Waldman also wrote, Trump is waging a reelection campaign based on racism and fear, not to mention being the most prolific liar in American political history (he just passed 12,000 false or misleading claims). And what makes the focus on Bidens mouth extra aggravating is how it wipes our memories of the moronic things said by this president, as my follower @absolut_irish was so kind to remind Bidens critics.
Link to tweet
Some of these are funny. Some are worthy of a cocked eyebrow. But they are not nearly as consequential as the racist and white supremacist beliefs parroted by Trump and the right-wing echo chamber that found their way into the manifesto of the suspect in the El Paso mass shooting, who told police his target was "Mexicans. The atmosphere of menace and danger is now indisputable. Your time would be better spent worrying about the shredding of our values, ideals and the rule of law than the flubs of a particular candidate who would put an end to this shameful chapter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that was really bad.
Ford was naturally athletic and had been on championship football teams in college, as well as Phi Beta Kappa and law school at Yale, but somehow they got a clumsy, bumbling dullard thing going; and missteps and stumbles that wouldn't be reported about other presidents at all were yucked-up national news for him.
It was very obvious and disgusting. You'd turn on the evening news, and there'd be film and commentary about his snagging his toe on a step. As for the discussion shows! They were shameless, and to the best of my memory they never cleaned up their act.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Biden's so-called gaffes will not be an issue in the general election https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/democrats-battle-each-other-trump-s-greatest-ally-time-n1042191#anchor-Whatabouthisgaffes
Thats a lot of people back there for a like an 11 oclock speech. Thats a lot of people. (Laughter.) Thats a lot. (In fact, the speech was after 2:00 pm ET.)
This Shell petrochemical plant in Beaver County, Pennsylvania I did very well here. We did very well. How many points did we win by? Does anybody know? I'll tell you. Isn't it, I think, 28 points?
That's a lot. (Trump won Beaver County by 19 points in 2016.)
I got sued on a thing called emoluments. Emoluments. You ever hear the word? Nobody ever heard of it before. They went back. Now, nobody looks at Obama getting $60 million for a book. (Obama signed his book deal in 2017, after leaving office.)
Trumps two and a half years in office definitely have changed the political and media world.
Shouldnt they also change how we cover gaffes and misstatements?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,965 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Link to tweet
How Democrats see such episodes is at the heart of the Democratic primary. One side views these sorts of typical Biden campaign-trail moments as evidence of a politician well past his prime casually sexist in a way that might have gone unremarked in, say, 1973 when he first joined the Senate. His supporters see them as good examples of why hes the lovable Democrat best-suited to beat Trump. What is clear is that the critics, who are louder and more visible online and on cable TV, have had absolutely no impact on changing Bidens status as the steady front-runner in the race.
This woke-working class divide is at the heart of the most salient fact about the Democratic primaries: Nothing has damaged Biden. Biden entered the race with about 30 percent support nationally and he has that same 30 percent today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden