Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumRussia's propaganda machine has been promoting Tulsi Gabbard.
This first piece, from NBC news, is from February, but Russia continues to promote her.
The Daily Beast piece is from May.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261
The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat who earlier this month declared her intention to run for president in 2020.
An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.
Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support for Gabbard.
Since Gabbard announced her intention to run on Jan. 11, there have been at least 20 Gabbard stories on three major Moscow-based English-language websites affiliated with or supportive of the Russian government: RT, the Russian-owned TV outlet; Sputnik News, a radio outlet; and Russia Insider, a blog that experts say closely follows the Kremlin line. The CIA has called RT and Sputnik part of "Russia's state-run propaganda machine."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbards-campaign-is-being-boosted-by-russophiles?ref=home
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbards campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination is being underwritten by some of the nations leading Russophiles.
Donors to her campaign in the first quarter of the year included: Stephen F. Cohen, a Russian studies professor at New York University and prominent Kremlin sympathizer; Sharon Tennison, a vocal Putin supporter who nonetheless found herself detained by Russian authorities in 2016; and an employee of the Kremlin-backed broadcaster RT, who appears to have donated under the alias Goofy Grapes.
Gabbard is one of her partys more Russia-friendly voices in an era of deep Democratic suspicion of the country over its efforts to tip the 2016 election in favor of President Donald Trump. Her financial support from prominent pro-Russian voices in the U.S. is a small portion of the total shes raised. But it still illustrates the degree to which she deviates from her partys mainstream on such a contentious and high-profile issue.
Data on Gabbards financial supporters only covers the first three months of the year. In that time, her campaign received just over $1,000 from Cohen, arguably the nations leading intellectual apologist for Russian president Vladimir Putin.
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rainin
(3,010 posts)She's espousing democratic talking points right on cue, but she's a wolf in sheep's clothing, IMO.
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brush
(53,740 posts)association should've set off alarm bells to everyone here years ago.
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Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)but whenever I start thinking maybe she isn't all that bad, she goes and says some weird shill level shit about Russia, Putin, or Syria/Assad. I say this as someone who isn't a huge fan of the US intervention in Syria either. I am curious if she actually believes this stuff and Russia is just supporting the obvious candidate who would be friendly to them, or if she has some outside motivation for some of her stances.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)And Epstein was murdered but there are tons of people HERE saying not so.
I think this country is not gonna make it, too many of us are stupid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,239 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)implied Biden was racist, although she said he wasnt racist. She suggested his words from 40 years ago, which were twisted for presentation purposes, were fair game. Ironically, Gabbard delivered instant karma by bringing up Harris current record. Harris *current* record.
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JI7
(89,239 posts)removed posts below from the banned troll who was also spewing fucked up shit about Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)consider that she was trying to nail Biden but ironically got nailed herself. Her record is not Russian propaganda. The OP and many others posts numerous Biden hit jobs about Bidens record, but they are not called Russian trolls. Harris brought this on herselfsomething her predecessor Barbara Boxer observed on Hardball after the first debate. I miss Barbara Boxer. I agree with what she said about Harris. inviting scrutiny I believe were Boxers exact words.
Some would say Harris attack on Biden helps Trump. Trump is the actual racist. Im mostly really ticked she would put this 40 year old divisive issue at Democrats feet when an absolute monster is in the White Housesuch poor judgment, not Russian propaganda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)having served honorably in the military, I would call a patriot, especially given that she volunteered.
We know Russians continue to try to divide us and to sow discord within our party, in fact in our country. I see no evidence that Gabbard is helping those efforts.
I agree with your characterization of Harriss attack on Biden. Nonetheless, her record is fair game.
She is touting it. It forms part of the background she is running on.
It is all the more relevant to her candidacy in that, as you point out, it is current.
Of course that record is subject to interpretation. Harris and supporters can defend it. They will have to, ultimately, do better than to insinuate that Gabbard is somehow in with the Russians
to explain controversies that pre-exist Gabbards offensive and go beyond Gabbards sources,
Then, Democratic voters will weigh that records facts and their interpretation of them against all
other grounds on which to evaluate Harriss candidacy. Gabbards claims were not exhaustive, so
writing off Gabbard is not going answer all concerns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)after William Barr wrote his deceptive letter, a month before they finally released the redacted report. And she falsely said that the report showed there had been no collusion and that Trump did not conspire with the Russians.
This is the evidence that she's been helping Russia's efforts. It was in Russia's interest, but not ours, that the Russia probe end after Barr's letter.
Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1111458991165579267&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftulsi-gabbard-twitter-trump-russia-probe-1380775
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)between Trump campaign and Russia. She used the word collusion, which the public kept using, in place of the legal term conspiracy.
So her viewpoint does not align with the vast majority of Dems.
Holding a different viewpoint, even one that is not well-founded, does not mean one is in league with Russians or going contrary to American interests.
Of course, you dont respond to controversies in Harriss record, some of which Gabbard did not
point out. I wont either.
And I will not respond to anything further you have to say that promotes a Gabbard conspiracy theory.
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pnwmom
(108,955 posts)and immediately accept Barr's twisted conclusions and announce that we should move forward --- without waiting for the Justice Depart to release the redacted report.
She shouldn't have made that leap. She should have waited till Mueller's report was finally released , a full month later. If she had waited, she'd have heard Mueller say that, no , he never said there was no collusion. She would have heard him say it wasn't true there was no evidence of conspiracy. He merely said he didn't have enough evidence to prove a criminal conspiracy in court -- and part of the reason he didn't have enough evidence was because of the obstruction coming from the Trump team.
When her "different viewpoint" -- whether on the Mueller investigation, American isolationism, or on Syria -- coincides with that of the Russians, reasonable people ask reasonable questions about why.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)down response, seemingly so fast you ignored that I used the phrase criminal conspiracy, which means conspiracy that meets the legal burden for it, does nothing to quell concerns about a record Harris touts, one subject to questions that arose during her two different tenures and that persist.
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R B Garr
(16,950 posts)trying to nail Biden but got nailed instead.
Looks like Tulsi just built a better mousetrap than Harris. It happens.
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Andy823
(11,495 posts)I know some Biden supporters simply "like" that she is going after Harris, so the old "friend of my enemy is my friend" thing. Others I think are just here to stir things up and try to cause problems. The are not really supporters of any Democrat.
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JI7
(89,239 posts)also gone after Biden in ugly ways.
people can criticize and attack without propping up Russian attacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)That person simply protested the onslaught of false attacks on Tulsi on one OP and on another OP where I was posting after her/him, he correctly refuted false attacks on Representative Gabbard's LGBTQ history. She/he never attacked Joe at all in her/his posts on those two OP threads.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)I will happily cast my vote for Rep. Gabbard if she is on my state's ballot in the upcoming primaries. Stay furious if it suits you but seems a silly thing to let get to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)If Sen. Harris secures the nomination she has my support and vote. If staying salty helps you through the primaries then you do you buddy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,672 posts)I don't trust her ass farther than I could throw her.
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at140
(6,110 posts)I can understand that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nini
(16,672 posts)I'm way ahead of the curve.
Carry on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)The real competition will be between Elizabeth & Kamala for a long time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)if she makes a public statement condemning Russia's promotion of her and tells them to cease and desist.
She must also promise to protect the integrity of our elections if she's elected.
I won't hold my breath.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)Ask her this, repeatedly, on video and watch as the worm turns on the hook.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue Owl
(50,256 posts)n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Francesca Chambers
@fran_chambers
And here's video of me asking Tulsi Gabbard if Walmart should stop selling firearms. She told me, "That's up to Walmart."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287234517
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flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Doubt that her crew did that, no doubt Vlad's crew is doing those kind of ads.
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flamingdem
(39,308 posts)yeesh creepy to see those
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yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Devil Child
(2,728 posts)edited to add
Welcome to DU
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pnwmom
(108,955 posts)New Knowledge was just one of the other sources (and the articles you cited about them concerned Roy Moore and were from 2018.)
And Matt Taibbi? He was a Russophile all through the 2016 election (ever since he lived in Russia he's been a proponent). You'll have to do better than that.
Some of the other sources include:
"They usually spam links to websites, but also retweet specific tweets or accounts in an effort to boost a website or accounts search results," he said.
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pnwmom
(108,955 posts)And The Intercept is Glenn Greenwald's libertarian rag. It isn't a progressive publication and no one should take it seriously.
I'm not surprised, of course, that you're quoting from The Intercept now.
I'd rather quote Clint Watts.
"They probably just spotted her and figured this is someone to promote," said Watts, who is also an NBC News analyst. "You can just see it coming. They're telegraphing what coming the next two years, which is playing in the left."
"They want someone like Gabbard to voice a Russian position. They are not telling her what to say but they want her pro-Russian positions play into the debate."
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Celerity
(43,081 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 07:55 PM - Edit history (3)
I supported Bill Clinton through thick and thin. It makes me sad that some are casting ugly aspersions on Tulsi Gabbard when she is in Indonesia in service to the National Guard. This story from 1998 is an example of how misguided people can be. Republicans attacked Bill Clinton even after Clinton returned the money from Chung.
"President Clinton said today that reported political campaign contributions from China to the Democrats had not influenced his foreign policy... responding for the first time to reports that a Democratic Party fund-raiser told Federal investigators of funneling thousands of dollars from a Chinese military officer in the President's 1996 re-election campaign... Congressional committees are looking into whether the Administration's policy shift on exporting satellite technology helped China and other countries develop and use nuclear missiles.
<snip>
The Democratic National Committee subsequently returned the money to Mr. Chung, who began cooperating with investigators after he pleaded guilty in March to campaign-related bank and tax fraud..."
THIS IS THE BEST PART OF THIS STORY:
"The Administration's decision to reverse State Department policy drew concerned comments today from a leading Democrat. Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, the ranking minority member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the Administration's policy switch was ''serious stuff.'' Interviewed on ''Fox News Sunday,'' Senator Biden said any ''correlation of quid pro quo'' linking campaign contributions to a shift in national security policy should be ferreted out."
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/18/us/clinton-says-chinese-money-did-not-influence-us-policy.html
Joe was a mensch then and he is a mensch now.
OH NO... Senator Biden spoke to Fox News!!!!!
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pnwmom
(108,955 posts)by bringing up a 20 year old controversy about them?
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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mahina
(17,615 posts)She sure does know how to get a few select talking points to hit people's buttons so they stop thinking and assume she is like them.
She is not.
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empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarc
(10,472 posts)She is a non-entity in this election, despite Czar Vlad having a desperate desire to insert a wedge into the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden