Contrast Trump's gaffes with Biden's misspeaks

[jimmy the one]

Trump is a gaffe machine who ignores them as if they never were, Joe Biden misspeaks sometimes & apologizes or retracts, as is not abnormal; {a few trump gaffes edited out of links, deemed inappropriate}
Some outtakes from Mr Best Words Man:

{1} Donald Trump confuses Toledo with Dayton, fails to mention Gilroy in mass shooting remarks

{2} 'Democrats can’t find a Smocking Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia'

{3} ‘.. Clemson Tigers last night at White House .. I served them massive amounts of Fast Food (I paid), over 1000 hamberders -- to which shaun king remarked: “..Trump said he paid for 300 hamburgers. Now he says it was 1,000. He’s saying each player ate 16 burgers a piece. He lies so much that he’s literally lying about and misspelling the word hamburger.”

{4} ..his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this..

{5} .. Mueller and .. Angry Democrat Thugs spent over 30 hours with the White House Councel,

{6} .. illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special “councel” appointed! (Twice from the best words man)

{7} Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.

{8} official portrait: 'No dream is too big, no challenge is to great' - well he got the first 'too' right.
https://globalgrind.cassiuslife.com/4282259/birdbrain-heada-donald-trumps-most-ridiculous-spelling-mistakes/4/

{9} “Alec Baldwin, whose dieing mediocre career was sav...

{10} twice proves not a typo, but a belief: Sometimes you need protest in order to heel, & we will heel, & be stronger than ever before! Fantastic! Trump uses Shoe Goo!

{11} (trump) got the idea about raking forest floors from talking to the president of Finland. They don't do that in Finland

{12} re calif forest fire town: And what we saw at Pleasure – what a name Pleasure – right now.” At that point somebody interjected him and reminded him it was Paradise, not Pleasure.

new link: 2. “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” July 17, 2015, Family Leadership Summit in Iowa. Trump was referring to Senator John McCain, a former Navy pilot who was tortured during his five-and-a-half years as a POW during the Vietnam war.

3. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.” August 7, 2015, CNN interview about Megyn Kelly, one of Fox News’ moderators in the first Republican debate.

4. “Well I really watch the shows. You really see a lot of great, you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows, and you have the generals and you have certain people that you like.” Aug16, 2015, “Meet the Press,” trying to name his foreign policy advisors.

5. “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!” Sep9, 2015, Rolling Stone, talking about GOP candidate Carly Fiorina.

6. “It has not been easy for me ... My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars.” Oct 2015, “TODAY” show.

9. “Now the poor guy, you ought to see this guy. ‘Ah, I don’t know what I said! I don’t remember!’” Nov 24, 2015 mocks NY Times reporte Kovaleski, has congenital condition..

10. “I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.” Dec 15, 2015, answering a debate question about his priority in the “nuclear triad,” the three ways (air, land and sea) that nuclear missiles can be launched.

11. “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Dec 2, 2015 “Fox & Friends.”

14. “Two Corinthians, right? Two Corinthians 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame. Where the spirit of the Lord—right?—is, there is liberty!” Feb 18, 2016 Liberty University, citing Bible, Christians call “Second Corinthians.”

15. “So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of ’em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise.” Feb 1, 2016 Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

16. “If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened.” Feb 18, 2016 Trump campaign.

17. “Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, okay? I don't know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know.” Feb 28, 2016 CNN, {on} former KKK leader David Duke.

18. “Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!” March 22, 2016

19. “The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.” Mar30, 2016 discussing what should happen to women who procure illegal abortions.

21. “I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.” Apr2016, Buffalo, New York, misidentifying the 9/11 attacks.

22. “His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don’t even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it. I mean, what was he doing — what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting? It’s horrible.” May 2016 Fox News, repeating unsubstantiated allegations Ted Cruz’s father involved in assassination of John Kennedy.

23. “Happy #CincoDeMayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!”

26. “Look at my African American over here!” June 3, 2016 Redding, California.

27. “Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!” June 24, 2016, tweet by realDonaldTrump from Scotland.

29. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens." July 27, 2016, news conference Florida, encouraging Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails.

31. “It’s against two NFL games. I got a letter from the NFL saying ‘This is ridiculous.’” July 30, 2016, interview with ABC about presidential debate schedule. NFL categorically denied sending such a letter.

32. “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK? Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, alright? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.” July 30, 2016 ABC, referring to Russian Putin, whose 2014 annexation of Crimea proved that he was already in Ukraine.

Donald Trump’s Week of Misrepresentations, Exaggerations and Half-Truths
34. “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” August 2, 2016 Ashburn, Virginia where a supporter presented him with a copy of a medal the veteran had been awarded in Iraq. The Purple Heart is awarded to members of U.S. military who are injured or killed while serving. - Trump always wanted to get the purple heart, thus why he avoided vietnam military service using influence to get deferment;

35. “If [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.” August 9, 2016 Wilmington, North Carolina. Many read his remark as a suggestion that opponents of Clinton should take up arms against her if she’s elected president.

36. “ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He founded ISIS. And I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.” August 10, 2016 ABC News.

37. “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?" Aug 2016 Mich explaining why African Americans should vote for him.

And/Or links:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-biggest-fatal-gaffes-mistakes-offensive-214289
https://people.com/politics/president-trump-spelling-mistakes-typos-words/
https://globalgrind.cassiuslife.com/4282259/birdbrain-heada-donald-trumps-most-ridiculous-spelling-mistakes/4/

[AZ8theist]

1. Only 37?

You got a lot more work to do, Jimmy...

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Listen to Biden's message, not his words.

[loyalsister]

3. Sadly both inspire critics

and invite the same questions about age related decline. NO ONE who has asked such questions about Trump has legitimacy in defending Biden.
I think Trump is mostly a jerk who has never been very informed of much outside of what interests and affects him directly. And worse - he simply does not care to be bothered with it. Like Barbara Bush and her beautiful mind. In itself, that should have disqualified him from the presidency and is much worse than any involuntary or organic cause. But more voters than I thought have low standards.
Biden should show better not comparable verbal acuity- or comparable anything for that matter. "But what about Trump" is a tiresome response and one I would hate to be an ongoing argument throughput 2020. I want a candidate who is beyond comparison.

[jimmy the one]

4. two ways to compare transgressions

loyal sis: Sadly both inspire critics and invite the same questions about age related decline. NO ONE who has asked such questions about Trump has legitimacy in defending Biden.

There are two basic ways to compare violative transgressions, sis. First by severity of the offense. Second by relative frequency of the offense - when the relative frequency is of similar severity (1000 shopliftings does not match one murder).
That is the upshot of what I posted, or intended to convey.
Trump's errors, gaffes, malapropisms, racist remarks, cheap shots, malicious ad hominem attacks against just about anyone notable he deems as a threat to his self perceived greatness, FAR OUTWEIGH in relative frequency & severity by a couple orders of magnitude, all the errors gaffes malapropisms that joe biden has made. Note I omitted 'cheap shots, malicious ad hominem, & racist remarks' from joe's list, since I do not believe Joe has made any truly serious of note, at least not as a political figure or in public, and none that he has not apologized for.

So I disagree with your remark that I have no legitimacy in defending Joe Biden by criticizing trump's bigotry.

sis: "But what about Trump" is a tiresome response and one I would hate to be an ongoing argument throughput 2020. I want a candidate who is beyond comparison.

Best get used to it; dems should never let trump's past ugly remarks go forgotten due to your concern above.
When you find a candidate who 'is beyond comparison', ms diogenes, let us know.

sis: .. Biden should show better not comparable verbal acuity- or comparable anything for that matter

Joe does demonstrate better verbal acuity & speaking ability on a daily basis, haven't you been listening? You cannot possibly be saying that Trump's fractured bombastic rhetoric is equivalent to Joe's sound speaking ability. Trump would raise HIS esteem if HE could improve comparably to Joe Biden. Right now it's like a knucklehead vs a gifted orator.
To take occasional Joe Biden bloopers and equate them with trump's intentional malicious speech and relative ignorance in english grammar & vocabulary, is an unprofessional way of looking at their dichotomy.

sis: I think Trump is mostly a jerk who has never been very informed of much outside of what interests and affects him directly. And worse - he simply does not care to be bothered with it. In itself, that should have disqualified him from the presidency and is much worse than any involuntary or organic cause. But more voters than I thought have low standards.

Concur. How did you get from these thoughts, to what you posted alongside them?

PS: I really admire & like elizabeth warren. Bernie also, but had his shot.

[Gothmog]

5. Opinion: There are more important things to worry about than Biden's gaffes

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My response to both was the same, as it was when I was asked about the Biden issue on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports.” There is a racist sitting in the Oval Office implementing a white supremacist policy agenda. So, you focus on Biden’s mouth marbles, and I’ll keep my eyes on the prize. The prize being the eviction of Trump from the White House.

As Waldman also wrote, Trump “is waging a reelection campaign based on racism and fear,” not to mention being “the most prolific liar in American political history (he just passed 12,000 false or misleading claims).” And what makes the focus on Biden’s mouth extra aggravating is how it wipes our memories of the moronic things said by this president, as my follower @absolut_irish was so kind to remind Biden’s critics.

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Some of these are funny. Some are worthy of a cocked eyebrow. But they are not nearly as consequential as the racist and white supremacist beliefs parroted by Trump and the right-wing echo chamber that found their way into the manifesto of the suspect in the El Paso mass shooting, who told police his target was "Mexicans.” The atmosphere of menace and danger is now indisputable. Your time would be better spent worrying about the shredding of our values, ideals and the rule of law than the flubs of a particular candidate who would put an end to this shameful chapter.

[jimmy the one]

6. telescoping

Good post Goth, agree completely both you and evan;

Joe Biden: Said he met with Parkland kids while he was VP (Parkland happened 2 years after he left office)

This is known as 'telescoping' (iirc), where events from the past are usually remembered & slightly displaced closer to current time, than when they actually happened (or a different time).
Can & does happen to normal people as we age, usually subconsciously, sometimes intentionally.

Joe Biden: - Said: “Poor kids are just as bright, just as talented, as white kids.”

Unfortunate slip. Vice President Biden misspoke and immediately corrected himself

Joe: - Said: “We choose truth over facts.

Obvious he misspoke.
There are two ways to compare transgressions & other serious matters. First by severity of transgression, second by relative frequency of transgressions of similar severity.
Both by worst severity & higher relative frequency of transgressions, Trump wins.

[Gothmog]

7. From my twitter feed

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[melman]

8. A good point

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[Gothmog]

10. Because we want to nominate a candidate who can beat trump

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states in the real world

[melman]

11. Yes we do

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And Joe ain't it.

btw, who said anything about Sanders? Certainly not the person quoted there. If you click through you can see he's a Warren supporter.

[Cha]

12. Thankfully I don't think BS will

be.

[Gothmog]

9. What about trump's gaffes?

Biden's so-called gaffes will not be an issue in the general election https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/democrats-battle-each-other-trump-s-greatest-ally-time-n1042191#anchor-Whatabouthisgaffes

But if Biden’s gaffes were substantial news, why wasn’t there the same level of discussion on what President Trump said yesterday in Pennsylvania?

“That’s a lot of people back there for a — like an 11 o’clock speech. That’s a lot of people. (Laughter.) That’s a lot.” (In fact, the speech was after 2:00 pm ET.)

“This Shell petrochemical plant in Beaver County, Pennsylvania — I did very well here. We did very well. How many points did we win by? Does anybody know? I'll tell you. Isn't it, I think, 28 points?
That's a lot.” (Trump won Beaver County by 19 points in 2016.)

“I got sued on a thing called ‘emoluments.’ Emoluments. You ever hear the word? Nobody ever heard of it before. They went back. Now, nobody looks at Obama getting $60 million for a book.” (Obama signed his book deal in 2017, after leaving office.)

Trump’s two and a half years in office definitely have changed the political and media world.

Shouldn’t they also change how we cover gaffes and misstatements?

[Gothmog]

13. And they worry about Biden's verbal gaffes? The president is a category 5 disaster

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[peggysue2]

14. Josh Marshall at TPM put this whole argument into perspective

Any comparison between Trump and Biden is false equivalency. Why?

Donald Trump is a degenerate, malicious liar.

There is no comparison between misspeaks and deliberate serial lying, something Trump has been doing from the start, +12,000x.

Case closed. Comparisons rendered useless.